NYT and Israel

[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
John S. wrote:
lixy wrote:
John S. wrote:
If they where being slaughtered in the middle east the kurds would be more then welcome here.

Well, they ARE.

It’s noble of you to welcome them, but I don’t think that’s gonna be the prevailing setiment among your compatriots. Claiming otherwise is simply unrealistic.

The kurds are more then welcome here. America will always be there with a hand out stretched to people in need.

LOL. Good one. Where’s the hand to Darfur?[/quote]

We can’t help Darfur. Militant insurgents will just chase the US out.

[quote]lixy wrote:
What did you do about the Kurds when Saddam was slaughtering them? Why did your weapons exports to Turkey rise in perfect correlation with the escalation of violence the Turkish government directed against the Kurds?

I didn’t see you strech any hand there. I don’t see you streching a hand to the Palestinians. You did nothing about the Western Sahara expect support the status quo. Neither did you do anything about the Apartheid, the massacres of Marcos, Pinochet or any of the many others US-backed dictators.

So, please, while I don’t doubt your good faith, I’ll ask you to look more closely at the behavior of America before saying that the US would allow a mass exodus of Kurds on its territory.[/quote]

What about the 6000+ Kurds that live in/around Nashville, Tennessee?

http://www.kurdishforum.org/

Wha…? In a red state? Lixy’s acorn brain is throwing cogs and gears at this point.

Oop - the previous website was dated. There are more than 11,000 Kurds living in Nashville.

http://bestproxy.info/myspace/nph-proxy.cgi/010110A/http/www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-15-south-big-fish_x.htm

[quote]Shoebolt wrote:

LOL. Good one. Where’s the hand to Darfur?[/quote]

What is stopping Canada?

Other than the shortage of men with chests and adequate military transportation.

Canada - America’s little buddy nursing the Western world’s largest inferiority complex - has every reason to strike out on its own and not wait on the US. Where is Canada?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
What about the 6000+ Kurds that live in/around Nashville, Tennessee?

http://www.kurdishforum.org/ [/quote]

I didn’t see them declare a state, raise a flag, and expropriate lands. Dare tell me that Nashvillians will not oppose the kurds if they did so.

Didn’t think so…

Honestly, the US has it’s hands full. Surely the rest of the world can handle Darfur? Be prepared to fight Al Qaeda though, and lose. As they will demonstrate just how much of a paper tiger the west has become. It’s the next Iraq. Google it. Plenty of reports about Al Qaeda’s intentions to fight the west in Darfur. Of course, if the US pulls out of Iraq, those fighters and resources can be utilized in Darfur. Good luck, let us know how it goes.

[quote]Shoebolt wrote:

LOL. Good one. Where’s the hand to Darfur?[/quote]

I don’t know. Do you think we should intervene in Darfur? How many troops do you guys have fighting there now?

The US hasn’t stretched a hand to the Palestinians? Anyone know who the biggest donor country to the Palestinians is? Also, I’m wondering when the Arab League will rescind it’s instructions to Arab nations in denying Palestinians the option of citizenship.

Lixy wrote regarding Lebanon:

“The Lebanese army has every right to oppose a group of foreigners that are destabilizing the country and that represent a threat to the sovereignty of Lebanon.”

You mean the terrorist group Hezbolla correct? If there are any folks that are better at hiding behind women and children during war, let me know.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The US hasn’t stretched a hand to the Palestinians? Anyone know who the biggest donor country is to the Palestinians? Also, I’m wondering when the Arab League will rescind it’s instructions to Arab nations in denying Palestinians the option of citizenship. [/quote]

Arab League giving a rat’s ass about the Palestinians? Please, they are “all hat and no cattle” as they say when it comes to caring.

The Syrian government, through its General Administration for Palestine Arab Refugees (GAPAR), has confiscated control of the camps from the UNRWA, the UN agency that controls refugee camps in other countries. Syria confines Palestinians to these camps in horrible conditions with no hope for a better life. Before 2001, Palestinians weren’t even allowed into Syrian universities.

King Hussein of Jordan unleashed his tanks against the Palestinians in Amman when they got out of line in 1970, and killed over 3,000 of them. Fact is, all efforts by the Palestinians to gain any political voice there, were put down ruthlessly.

All the billions in petro dollars the Saudis are raking in and they sit back and watch the Palestinians fester in their own misery…

Quite puzzling indeed…The US gives more than enough to those folks… And they danced on 9/11…Ingrates that they are.

[quote]Tokoya wrote:
Lixy wrote regarding Lebanon:

“The Lebanese army has every right to oppose a group of foreigners that are destabilizing the country and that represent a threat to the sovereignty of Lebanon.”

You mean the terrorist group Hezbolla correct? If there are any folks that are better at hiding behind women and children during war, let me know.
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Israeli troops used Palestinian as human shield
Incident on video exposes clash of moral, military issues in volatile region
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18058725/

Video: IDF using Palestinian Kids as Human Shields

Israel’s human shields draw fire

‘Human shield’ dies as Hamas man is killed by troops
Despite state promises to the High Court of Justice that the Israel Defense Forces would cease using “human shields” during operations, a 19-year-old teenager was killed yesterday when a Border Patrol counter-terrorism force moved in on a house in the Jenin area where a wanted Hamas man was hiding.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Articles/Story868.html

Human Rights Watch: Israel’s Indiscriminate Attacks Against Civilians in Lebanon
The Israeli government claims that it targets only Hezbollah, and that fighters from the group are using civilians as human shields, thereby placing them at risk.

Human Rights Watch found no cases in which Hezbollah deliberately used civilians as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack.
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/2.htm

“In any investigation of the Jewish Question, the student is struck over and over again by the fact that what the Jews most complain of, they themselves began.”
–Henry Ford

[quote]Tokoya wrote:
Quite puzzling indeed…The US gives more than enough to those folks… And they danced on 9/11…Ingrates that they are.
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I heard that…

"We also documented the fact that Hezbollah launched thousands of rockets on densely populated cities, towns and villages in Northern Israel, using a variety of unguided rockets, often referred to as ?Katyushas,? which cannot be targeted at military objects with any degree of precision because of their limited technology.

When firing these rockets into civilian areas, Hezbollah knew that the likelihood of hitting a military target was slim to none, while the likely result would be the death and injury of civilians. Such attacks were at best, indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas, and at worst, direct attacks against civilians.

Either way, they were serious violations of international humanitarian law and probable war crimes."

Because of Hezbollah?s secrecy, little is known about the conduct of its forces inside Lebanon and whether its own actions put Lebanese civilians at risk. Human Rights Watch?s research found that on a number of occasions Hezbollah unjustifiably endangered Lebanese civilians by storing weapons in civilian homes, firing rockets from populated areas, and allowing its fighters to operate from civilian homes.

Hezbollah also used children as active combatants, another violation of the law. "

In the wake of the war, the United Nations Human Rights Council, primarily at the instigation of Arab and Muslim member states, moved swiftly to establish a commission of inquiry to investigate Israel?s violations of the laws of war. But in a startling display of self-defeating bias, it refused to examine Hezbollah?s conduct.

That one-sided response undermined the credibility of the UN?s strongest human rights mechanism at a time when it is most needed to compensate for Lebanon?s inability or unwillingness to undertake such an investigation on its own. As a result, no official body is investigating Hezbollah?s conduct during the hostilities or demanding that Hezbollah answer for it."

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/10/05/lebano14336.htm

[quote]lixy wrote:

I didn’t see them declare a state, raise a flag, and expropriate lands. Dare tell me that Nashvillians will not oppose the kurds if they did so.

Didn’t think so…[/quote]

  1. You merely asked whether Americans would accept them. The above answered that question.

  2. Your analogy is flawed because, despite your whining, Israel didn’t come into existence in the “imperliast” way your ideology wants. You are an internationalist - the creation of Israel was done so with the blessing of the UN. Its opponents were members of the Arab League - and you and I both know they fought Israel’s creation on bad faith grounds.

In the face of legitimate UN General Assembly action - which you would otherwise cherish as legitimate and all-knowing these days - you squeal about the creation of Israel as if it were some colonial affront. Your precious Arab nations only stood in the way because of their rank, poisonous hatred of the Jews.

Israel had all the markings of “mulitilateral process” you say you are the champion of - yet, conveniently, you ignore all of that because it conflicts with your calcifying ideology.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
2. Your analogy is flawed because, despite your whining, Israel didn’t come into existence in the “imperliast” way your ideology wants. You are an internationalist - the creation of Israel was done so with the blessing of the UN. Its opponents were members of the Arab League - and you and I both know they fought Israel’s creation on bad faith grounds. [/quote]

I made it clear that, had Arabs accepted the resolution and welcomed the Jews, the M.E. wouldn’t be in this mess today. Read my posts more carefully! Anyway, the Zionists didn’t abide by the rules, took the whole of Jerusalem, and left the Palestinians with no land to subsist on.

Your Kurds in Nashville merely represent 0.5% of the population of the city, and that’s the reason they are tolerated by the locals. Try pushing a few millions there and see the reaction…

[quote]lixy wrote:

I made it clear that, had Arabs accepted the resolution and welcomed the Jews, the M.E. wouldn’t be in this mess today. Read my posts more carefully! Anyway, the Zionists didn’t abide by the rules, took the whole of Jerusalem, and left the Palestinians with no land to subsist on.[/quote]

I read your post just fine - but you aren’t making sense. If Arabs should have accepted Israel then, then every complaint since then about the “unjust” existence of Israel is in bad faith.

And griping over Israel’s accretion of space after attacking Israel is flat out dishonest - you put Israel in a defensive position through naked aggression immediately and then complain how Israel acts?

C’mon - your usual song continues to fall apart under common sense scrutiny. But cling to ideology!!! It helps you sleep at night knowing you never have to consider history.

You speculate in areas you have no idea about - ever spent any time there? Know much about the “locals”, do you? Or are you just applying a racist sheen because if it fits in with your ideology?

One day, perhaps, you will wake up and actually ask some tough, rational questions of your conclusive ideology. Till then, we shake our heads and laugh.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Where do they want to ‘expand’ to? Do they want to take over Egypt, Syria, Lebanon? This TINY country?

They’re occupying the Golan heights and categorically refuse to give the Palestinians any viable state.

The country may be tiny, but it’s military is mighty thanks to your taxmoney.

Jeez, give 'em their little strip of land, Arabs, and get the fuck over it. Squabbling and dying over a few square miles of land…what a bunch of idiots.

Agreed. The Arab should have just swallowed their pride and recognized Israel back in the 40’s. That would have saved a great deal of lives and suffering.

But think about it for a second. What if some oppressed group, say the Kurds for example, came to Ohio and decided to settle there because they were being slaughtered in the M.E.
Wouldn’t you resist their settlements in the region? I’m not saying the attitude of the Arabs was justified, but simply that it’s the natural knee-jerk reaction.[/quote]

People come here all the time to get away from their old rotten cultures. Most of the time, they stop following the lying and false culture and become Americans eventually. A big problem with Muslims is that many bring their old baggage with them.

Headhunter wrote:

“People come here all the time to get away from their old rotten cultures. Most of the time, they stop following the lying and false culture and become Americans eventually. A big problem with Muslims is that many bring their old baggage with them.”

The new French President Nicolas Sarkozy made immigration a central issue of his campaign. Now, his new minister for immigration and national identity says its time to start paying immigrants to leave the country.

That is probably the best ROI you will get on your tax payer dollars. I wonder who they most wish to hit the road? Lixy, you get the first guess.

Perhaps Spain should take a helpful cue from Sarkozy, and start paying folks to leave…

I am sure it was just a misunderstanding by some bad apples with skewed ideas about verses in the koran.

Israel is trouble. It’s been trouble from day one. You can’t expect to massively relocate millions of people in already populated areas and expect them to fit nicely. Especially when the freshly arrived don’t even try to hide their expansionist agenda. The creation of Israel was also preluded by terrorist activities and documented land expropriation. You can’t go around this.

I know many Jews who are firmly opposed to the existence of the Zionist state. Name one Arab who opposes the creation of a Palestinian state.