NYC to Ban Infant Formula

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[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
There is always some douchebag; or in this case douchebags, who are always so effing certain they know everything. Particularly in cases where they have zero personal experience at all.

We have them here where they talk about eat this or don’t eat that; do this or don’t do that but then look like shit and can’t lift a damn thing but fuck if they don’t have organic, macrobiotic, milk from cows that were told how special they were from birth and given regular self esteeme classes.

Which is what Mayor McCheese here is doing. He’s not a doctor, he’s not a biologist, and he’s obviously never had any first hand experience so he’s talking strait out of hsi ass.

It’s interesting that the link is from a site that is designed for women who have actually had children and most of them seem to hate it. You know what we used to call that? The voice of experience and we used to freaking value it.

It’s like those dumbass personal trainers who get a shitty certification and think thay are Ripptoe except that they are doing it with the weight of a City administration behind them. [/quote]

What are you trying to say exactly. That hospitals that VOLUNTARILY join an initiative that, and I’ll repeat, does not tell women what they can and can’t do, don’t actually know anything? All they are saying is that breastfeeding is healthier/more beneficial and are taking steps to promote that. Do you disagree with that or feel that women, who many have never had a baby before, know differently?

I’m not sure any of you getting all hot and heavy about this have read anything objective and are basing your thoughts on other people’s hot-headed articles. Go and read my first post in this thread with the clearly outlined objectives.

The goal, it seems, is to try and PROMOTE, not force, breastfeeding.

And for the record, I am 100% for a woman’s choice to decide to use formula instead of breastfeeding. That’s not even the REAL issue here though.

I find it very strange so many people read one person’s opinion and take everything they said as fact. There is no ban on the use of formula in NYC.[/quote]

If the goal is to promote breastfeeding then you put up posters in hospitals and put ads on TV. You don’t require people to sign out the formula like she’s gettting flu meds to make meth with.

You also don’t “Restrict access to infant formula by hospital staff, tracking infant formula distribution and sharing data on formula distribution with the Health Department”

Really? Big Brother for baby formula? We gonna sew little yellow pacifers to clothes of the women who want the formula?

^ Hyperbolic? Sure, but its not their business in any shape form or fashion period.

Now I only care a little because that crap would not fly where I live but if it keeps up some of you are going to have to undergo bodyfat checks and sign paperwork to buy steak soon.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Canada_K wrote:
I almost never chime in on political issues, but in this case I will bend that rule.

I am a father of five. we have breatfed and bottle fed various kids depending on the circumstances for each of them. I know of what I speak.

What all y’all need to realize is that the pro-breastfeeding groups are very, VERY aggressive. They market just as hard as the formula companies, and I daresay their tactics can be pretty nasty. Many of these groups actually send people into hospital to make their case face-to-face witht he new moms, still sweaty from delivery. Many are genuine and kind. Many are insistent. Many are manipulative and pushy.

I’ve personally seen two new moms, including my sister, totally broken and brought to tears because of problems breastfeeding. Both of them felt like complete and utter failures as mothers, as people, as human beings. Why? Because of the crippling pressure they felt to succeed at breastfeeding. In the one lady’s case, she simply couldn’t produce milk. Between pregnancy hormones, post-partum, and these feelings of guilt, she sat on the floor and wept for days, convinced she had condemned her child to a lesser life because she had to use formula.

These are not unique stories. However well-meaning, the breastfeeding lobby has lost its way. They come across as inflexible, militant, and wield their righteousness like a blunt instrument heedless of the young moms they are mowing down.

Everybody needs to relax. This is not your decision. It is the decision of each individual mom and nobody else has any right to an opinion. If a mom chooses not to breastfeed because she physically can’t, because it’s too stressful for her, or even if she is just plain lazy, that’s her right and you have no entitlement to judge her for it.

And what REALLY browns me off is any time a DUDE feels like he has any right to an opinion. We don’t.

I was adopted. I was bottle fed. I turned out great.
My sister was alergic to breast milk. She was bottle fed non-milk formula. She also turned out great.
See? Breastfeeding is not a necessary condition, and it’s a choice.[/quote]

Did you figure out yet what is causing all those babies in your life?

Your cable out again…:slight_smile: [/quote]

Kent can’t help it; it gets cold and dark in polar bear land early.

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[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Canada_K wrote:
I almost never chime in on political issues, but in this case I will bend that rule.

I am a father of five. we have breatfed and bottle fed various kids depending on the circumstances for each of them. I know of what I speak.

What all y’all need to realize is that the pro-breastfeeding groups are very, VERY aggressive. They market just as hard as the formula companies, and I daresay their tactics can be pretty nasty. Many of these groups actually send people into hospital to make their case face-to-face witht he new moms, still sweaty from delivery. Many are genuine and kind. Many are insistent. Many are manipulative and pushy.

I’ve personally seen two new moms, including my sister, totally broken and brought to tears because of problems breastfeeding. Both of them felt like complete and utter failures as mothers, as people, as human beings. Why? Because of the crippling pressure they felt to succeed at breastfeeding. In the one lady’s case, she simply couldn’t produce milk. Between pregnancy hormones, post-partum, and these feelings of guilt, she sat on the floor and wept for days, convinced she had condemned her child to a lesser life because she had to use formula.

These are not unique stories. However well-meaning, the breastfeeding lobby has lost its way. They come across as inflexible, militant, and wield their righteousness like a blunt instrument heedless of the young moms they are mowing down.

Everybody needs to relax. This is not your decision. It is the decision of each individual mom and nobody else has any right to an opinion. If a mom chooses not to breastfeed because she physically can’t, because it’s too stressful for her, or even if she is just plain lazy, that’s her right and you have no entitlement to judge her for it.

And what REALLY browns me off is any time a DUDE feels like he has any right to an opinion. We don’t.

I was adopted. I was bottle fed. I turned out great.
My sister was alergic to breast milk. She was bottle fed non-milk formula. She also turned out great.
See? Breastfeeding is not a necessary condition, and it’s a choice.[/quote]

Did you figure out yet what is causing all those babies in your life?

Your cable out again…:slight_smile: [/quote]

Kent can’t help it; it gets cold and dark in polar bear land early. [/quote]

Lol plus he has a habit of shooting doubles whenever he draws

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[quote]Canada_K wrote:

…What all y’all need to realize is that the pro-breastfeeding groups are very, VERY aggressive. They market just as hard as the formula companies, and I daresay their tactics can be pretty nasty. Many of these groups actually send people into hospital to make their case face-to-face witht he new moms, still sweaty from delivery. Many are genuine and kind. Many are insistent. Many are manipulative and pushy…

…However well-meaning, the breastfeeding lobby has lost its way. They come across as inflexible, militant, and wield their righteousness like a blunt instrument heedless of the young moms they are mowing down.
[/quote]

Why is it that any course of action which offers two possible choices, is accompanied by an “action group” or a “lobby” trying to force their will upon us? Are we not allowed to think and choose for ourselves anymore?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Canada_K wrote:
I almost never chime in on political issues, but in this case I will bend that rule.

I am a father of five. we have breatfed and bottle fed various kids depending on the circumstances for each of them. I know of what I speak.

What all y’all need to realize is that the pro-breastfeeding groups are very, VERY aggressive. They market just as hard as the formula companies, and I daresay their tactics can be pretty nasty. Many of these groups actually send people into hospital to make their case face-to-face witht he new moms, still sweaty from delivery. Many are genuine and kind. Many are insistent. Many are manipulative and pushy.

I’ve personally seen two new moms, including my sister, totally broken and brought to tears because of problems breastfeeding. Both of them felt like complete and utter failures as mothers, as people, as human beings. Why? Because of the crippling pressure they felt to succeed at breastfeeding. In the one lady’s case, she simply couldn’t produce milk. Between pregnancy hormones, post-partum, and these feelings of guilt, she sat on the floor and wept for days, convinced she had condemned her child to a lesser life because she had to use formula.

These are not unique stories. However well-meaning, the breastfeeding lobby has lost its way. They come across as inflexible, militant, and wield their righteousness like a blunt instrument heedless of the young moms they are mowing down.

Everybody needs to relax. This is not your decision. It is the decision of each individual mom and nobody else has any right to an opinion. If a mom chooses not to breastfeed because she physically can’t, because it’s too stressful for her, or even if she is just plain lazy, that’s her right and you have no entitlement to judge her for it.

And what REALLY browns me off is any time a DUDE feels like he has any right to an opinion. We don’t.

I was adopted. I was bottle fed. I turned out great.
My sister was alergic to breast milk. She was bottle fed non-milk formula. She also turned out great.
See? Breastfeeding is not a necessary condition, and it’s a choice.[/quote]

Did you figure out yet what is causing all those babies in your life?

Your cable out again…:slight_smile: [/quote]

Kent can’t help it; it gets cold and dark in polar bear land early. [/quote]

Lol plus he has a habit of shooting doubles whenever he draws [/quote]

A true overachiever.

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[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
There is always some douchebag; or in this case douchebags, who are always so effing certain they know everything. Particularly in cases where they have zero personal experience at all.

We have them here where they talk about eat this or don’t eat that; do this or don’t do that but then look like shit and can’t lift a damn thing but fuck if they don’t have organic, macrobiotic, milk from cows that were told how special they were from birth and given regular self esteeme classes.

Which is what Mayor McCheese here is doing. He’s not a doctor, he’s not a biologist, and he’s obviously never had any first hand experience so he’s talking strait out of hsi ass.

It’s interesting that the link is from a site that is designed for women who have actually had children and most of them seem to hate it. You know what we used to call that? The voice of experience and we used to freaking value it.

It’s like those dumbass personal trainers who get a shitty certification and think thay are Ripptoe except that they are doing it with the weight of a City administration behind them. [/quote]

What are you trying to say exactly. That hospitals that VOLUNTARILY join an initiative that, and I’ll repeat, does not tell women what they can and can’t do, don’t actually know anything? All they are saying is that breastfeeding is healthier/more beneficial and are taking steps to promote that. Do you disagree with that or feel that women, who many have never had a baby before, know differently?

I’m not sure any of you getting all hot and heavy about this have read anything objective and are basing your thoughts on other people’s hot-headed articles. Go and read my first post in this thread with the clearly outlined objectives.

The goal, it seems, is to try and PROMOTE, not force, breastfeeding.

And for the record, I am 100% for a woman’s choice to decide to use formula instead of breastfeeding. That’s not even the REAL issue here though.

I find it very strange so many people read one person’s opinion and take everything they said as fact. There is no ban on the use of formula in NYC.[/quote]

If the goal is to promote breastfeeding then you put up posters in hospitals and put adds on TV. You don’t require people to sign out the formula like she’s gettting flu meds to make meth with.
[/quote]

They are putting up posters. Hospital staff has restricted access. If a mother wants to feed using formula, there is nothing, in any way shape or form from stoping her. Where does it say a mother has to “sign out” formula?

Sure. Supplies held by a hospital should have absolutely no record keeping assigned to it. I’m sure everything sitting around in a hospital is just used all willy-nilly like without any record keeping.

What is wrong with the Health department wanting statistics on breastfeeding? Should they not keep any records about statistics as it relates to possible health benefits for anything?

Look out! The sky is falling! I think you’ve read to many of the hot-head commentary on this and fell for the hype. Read the link I posted for a more level-headed view.

[quote]
^ Hyperbolic? Sure, but its not their business in any shape form or fashion period.

Now I only care a little because that crap would not fly where I live but if it keeps up some of you are going to have to undergo bodyfat checks and sign paperwork to buy steak soon. [/quote]

What crap, exactly? I really don’t think you’ve actually read what this initiative entails. Again, I am 100% for mothers deciding to use formula to feed. And if I thought someone was trying to take that right away, I would feel the same as you. It’s just not the case.

For heaven’s sake, we’re talking about removing samples and the discontinued policy of supplementing with formula (which is something the hospital’s were doing, not the mothers) unless NECESSARY. There is NO restriction or ban of the use of formula for mothers.

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This isn’t about whether or not breastfeeding is better or worse for children. It’s also not about whether or not NYC should encourage breastfeeding. It’s about whether or not NYC should encourage breastfeeding by removing and education about bottle feeding. Sure, the hospitals aren’t going to ban someone from bottle feeding their babies but they are going to hide all of the relevant information from mothers. Isn’t it the role of medical facilities to present both sides and allow the mothers to choose which is best both for her and her baby?

Pushing an agenda onto someone during a particularly fragile point in their lives is immoral.

From the article:

  1. Enforce the NYS hospital regulation to not supplement breastfeeding infants with formula feeding unless medically indicated and documented on the infant?s medical chart;
    2,. Restrict access to infant formula by hospital staff, tracking infant formula distribution and sharing data on formula distribution with the Health Department;
  2. Discontinue the distribution of promotional or free infant formula; and
  3. Prohibit the display and distribution of infant formula promotional materials in any hospital location.

james

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< - - - - has absolutely nothing to add to this thread.

but I hate to be left out, so… lets SAMBA!!!

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
< - - - - has absolutely nothing to add to this thread.

but I hate to be left out, so… lets SAMBA!!![/quote]

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
< - - - - has absolutely nothing to add to this thread.

but I hate to be left out, so… lets SAMBA!!![/quote]

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
< - - - - has absolutely nothing to add to this thread.

but I hate to be left out, so… lets SAMBA!!![/quote]

No[/quote]
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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
< - - - - has absolutely nothing to add to this thread.

but I hate to be left out, so… lets SAMBA!!![/quote]

No[/quote]
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[quote]Canada_K wrote:
I almost never chime in on political issues, but in this case I will bend that rule.

I am a father of five. we have breatfed and bottle fed various kids depending on the circumstances for each of them. I know of what I speak.

What all y’all need to realize is that the pro-breastfeeding groups are very, VERY aggressive. They market just as hard as the formula companies, and I daresay their tactics can be pretty nasty. Many of these groups actually send people into hospital to make their case face-to-face witht he new moms, still sweaty from delivery. Many are genuine and kind. Many are insistent. Many are manipulative and pushy.

I’ve personally seen two new moms, including my sister, totally broken and brought to tears because of problems breastfeeding. Both of them felt like complete and utter failures as mothers, as people, as human beings. Why? Because of the crippling pressure they felt to succeed at breastfeeding. In the one lady’s case, she simply couldn’t produce milk. Between pregnancy hormones, post-partum, and these feelings of guilt, she sat on the floor and wept for days, convinced she had condemned her child to a lesser life because she had to use formula.

These are not unique stories. However well-meaning, the breastfeeding lobby has lost its way. They come across as inflexible, militant, and wield their righteousness like a blunt instrument heedless of the young moms they are mowing down.

Everybody needs to relax. This is not your decision. It is the decision of each individual mom and nobody else has any right to an opinion. If a mom chooses not to breastfeed because she physically can’t, because it’s too stressful for her, or even if she is just plain lazy, that’s her right and you have no entitlement to judge her for it.

And what REALLY browns me off is any time a DUDE feels like he has any right to an opinion. We don’t.

I was adopted. I was bottle fed. I turned out great.
My sister was alergic to breast milk. She was bottle fed non-milk formula. She also turned out great.
See? Breastfeeding is not a necessary condition, and it’s a choice.[/quote]

Great post

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[quote]cueball wrote:

For heaven’s sake, we’re talking about removing samples and the discontinued policy of supplementing with formula (which is something the hospital’s were doing, not the mothers) unless NECESSARY. There is NO restriction or ban of the use of formula for mothers.

[/quote]

I think the issue here is it is just another step in the “government controlling our lives” direction.

If individual hospitals were doing this on their own accord, fine. No problem, and good for them. Once the government gets involved, things typically never go as planned.

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[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
I want to say that I’m pro-nursing, however, I’m pro-make-your-own-choices long before that. It’s nobody’s business - not a nurse, not a doctor, not the government - to make that decision for parents. It really irks me that these mothers that have just given birth have to sit there and be made feel terrible and lectured for their supposedly horrible choices.

My problem with it, Jehovasfitness, is that it would be MY choice as a parent to choose what method to feed my child that I deem fit. Formula is available for OTC sales and I do not feel that I should have restricted access to it. You know how shit hits the fan when they try to make supplements less available or take them away from the general public. In principal, I don’t think this is any different. It’s really deplorable that this has even been considered.[/quote]

Again, it would still be available, just not offered for “free” when you know free samples aren’t there out of the kindness of a business’ heart.

That said, hence my screenname, why would someone knowingly feed their kid formula if A. the mother is able to breastfeed B. and has the “time” (I use that term loosely) to do so
[/quote]

This explains my sentiments a bit.[/quote]

[quote]And now, the man you trusted to guard your pseudo-freedom in New York City has decided to dictate to new mothers how they will feed their own babies. Starting September 3, Mayor Bloomberg will enforce what is being called �¢??the most restrictive pro-breast-milk program in the nation�¢?? which requires formula to be locked up and rationed out only if medical professionals can submit a medical reason for needing it. If the mother gets the formula from the state, she also gets a lecture. Why? It seems the people in power don�¢??t really think women can make good choices for themselves or their children, especially the women who give birth.

Sure some of you will support this anti-choice program and justify it based on some feigned concern for the health of newborn babies. Some of you will speak out against it because you see it for the over-imposition of government into private lives that it is. However, I predict that not a single one of you will see the monumental contradiction before you once again.

Like happy and willing slaves, you conceded all your rights to the decisions of the people in power, and now they are dictating that those in charge do what you�¢??ve been fighting against your whole lives �¢?? force a woman to let her child use her body. You may justify it as some caring act on the part of the government, but that�¢??s nonsense. Governments don�¢??t care for people; people care for people, and you�¢??ve been advocating for generations that the most extreme bond between the have�¢??s and the have not�¢??s �¢?? the bond between mothers and their children �¢?? is meaningless unless the individual mother chooses to care for the greedy little thing.

Some people are calling your Mayor Bloomberg a nanny for turning NYC into a nanny-state, but at least nannies care for individual children. I hate to break it to you, Pro-Choice NYer, but you aren�¢??t a child and Mayor Bloomberg and his officials don�¢??t care for you (or the children you decide are worthy of life) individually. This isn�¢??t about caring; it�¢??s about control. It�¢??s Marxism.

This is social materialism, utilitarian ideology about the worth of a human person in the big chemical equation of society. Feeding people taxes the system, just as pregnancy taxes a woman�¢??s body. If it were about caring for the babies, there wouldn�¢??t also exist a law that allowed late-term abortion past the point of viability. There wouldn�¢??t be a law allowing any unborn child to be killed. The same child the state says must be breastfed for it�¢??s health could have been killed the trimester, the month, the week, the day, and the minute before birth with impunity. Wake up! The same people are also busy telling you what you can and cannot eat or drink. They don�¢??t really think you can be trusted to chose wisely for yourself; they see you as objects to be managed.[/quote][/quote]

Can you show me somewhere, in the press release or otherwise, where it says women will forced to breastfeed against their will? As I’ve posted before, I can find no such wording that even suggests that. All it says is that breastfeeding babies will not be SUPPLEMENTED with formula.
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Please show me where I or anything I posted says that someone is going to force someone to do something against their will?

It says a lot more than, “breastfeeding babies will not be SUPPLEMENTED with formula.”

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This is a total panty bunching issue.

On whether you should breast feed or not - yes. Why wouldnt you? It is literally the perfect food. It is genetically matched to your child. I dont have a high opinion of formula because it is lacking the nutrient profile of breast milk. Breast feeding is free, formula is fucking expensive. If the child doesnt latch, pump and store. It stores in a freezer for a month or more if I remember properly. Did i mention breast feeding is free and formula is expensive as fuck? If a womans milk does not come in, then the only choice you have is formula, that is a completely different situation and understood. Unless you want to buy somebody elses breast milk. yes, you can buy somebody elses breast milk online. fuckin nasty.

on whether somebody else should tell me what I should feed my child - fuck no and fuck you. i agree, this is exactly analogous to the supplement issue. just because some group of assholes doesnt like formula feeding (of which I am one) ABSOLUTELY should NOT dictate formula not being available to someone else. More government control never goes anywhere good.

Today the powers that be say breastfeed and some agree because they believe, like i do, it is the absolute best choice. With that precedent set, tomorrow the powers that be could say you cant feed your kids meat, only grains. Then we are in an uproar because we disagree with it. I think the term is slippery slope, and I sure as hell dont want to start slipping down it.

As far as free samples at hospitals, that is indeed an f’d up situation. When i was with my niece and nephew when they were still in the hospital, one nurse pushed the formula like she got a cut of the profits. A different one cautiously asked if my sister wanted some breastfeeding literature. That is a little skewed, imho. I dont know if this is a kneejerk reaction (which are NEVER good) to that being the norm in hospitals or not.

Are the signatures only required at the hospital? If so, you have to sign EVERYTHING out in a hospital. Hell, I got jumped going to piss because I didnt have a mommy/daddy badge on.

If it is at every store, then the authors line about psuedoephedrine is dead on, and the situation is jacked up allover the place. If they put formula behind the counter because it is bad, then twinkies, white bread, kool-aid, anything in the aisles of the supermarket should be behind the counter. the only things available would be organic vegetables certified to never have had any pesticides used.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Because the last time I checked this is America, and I for one would rather federal regulation not involve how, what, when I feed my family. [/quote]

???
The feds are involved now?

[quote]Aggv wrote:
If the gov’t has to be big brother and have it’s hand in something (everything)

why not force the manufactures to produce something higher quality?

or

Just make parents aware of whatever is wrong with the formula and allow them to make an educated decision themselves. [/quote]

Ummm…isn’t this exactly what they are doing?

[quote]bcingu wrote:
So…formula will still be available to anyone who wants it, just not given out for free. And physicians will explain why breast milk is (substantially) healthier for infants, encouraging-but-not-forcing parents to make a healthier choice for said infants.

WHAT IS THIS, 1984?!?!??![/quote]

lol, exactly.

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I read somewhere that hospitals are voluntarily joining an initiative.

This is socialism.

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[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
This is a total panty bunching issue.

On whether you should breast feed or not - yes. Why wouldnt you? It is literally the perfect food. It is genetically matched to your child. I dont have a high opinion of formula because it is lacking the nutrient profile of breast milk. Breast feeding is free, formula is fucking expensive. If the child doesnt latch, pump and store. It stores in a freezer for a month or more if I remember properly. Did i mention breast feeding is free and formula is expensive as fuck? If a womans milk does not come in, then the only choice you have is formula, that is a completely different situation and understood. Unless you want to buy somebody elses breast milk. yes, you can buy somebody elses breast milk online. fuckin nasty.

on whether somebody else should tell me what I should feed my child - fuck no and fuck you. i agree, this is exactly analogous to the supplement issue. just because some group of assholes doesnt like formula feeding (of which I am one) ABSOLUTELY should NOT dictate formula not being available to someone else. More government control never goes anywhere good.

Today the powers that be say breastfeed and some agree because they believe, like i do, it is the absolute best choice. With that precedent set, tomorrow the powers that be could say you cant feed your kids meat, only grains. Then we are in an uproar because we disagree with it. I think the term is slippery slope, and I sure as hell dont want to start slipping down it.

As far as free samples at hospitals, that is indeed an f’d up situation. When i was with my niece and nephew when they were still in the hospital, one nurse pushed the formula like she got a cut of the profits. A different one cautiously asked if my sister wanted some breastfeeding literature. That is a little skewed, imho. I dont know if this is a kneejerk reaction (which are NEVER good) to that being the norm in hospitals or not.

Are the signatures only required at the hospital? If so, you have to sign EVERYTHING out in a hospital. Hell, I got jumped going to piss because I didnt have a mommy/daddy badge on.

If it is at every store, then the authors line about psuedoephedrine is dead on, and the situation is jacked up allover the place. If they put formula behind the counter because it is bad, then twinkies, white bread, kool-aid, anything in the aisles of the supermarket should be behind the counter. the only things available would be organic vegetables certified to never have had any pesticides used. [/quote]

the voice of reason