Wow, more postive energy coming through here…
makkun:
Again, my original point was: “Mainstream Americans will not be protesting in NYC this week.” I believe I am correct in this assumption.
I will address your main concern: I have no problem with peaceful protest. Which does not mean that I have no problem with the crowd that will be gathering in NYC this week. From what I have read and heard they are indeed (many of them at least) filled with hate and intend to disrupt the convention. They have no right to do this.
The hate that liberals carry? Come on man, what DONT conservatives hate? Gays? Lesbians? Blacks? Mexicans? Welfare? Anyone who doesn’t believe in Jeebus W. Bush?
Fuckin liberal media like Rush Limpbaugh, Mike Savage, Bill O’rilley, Bob Grant, Ann Coulture, and the Fox News team…FUCK, I HATE THE LIBERALS SO MUCH!
[quote]hedo wrote:
I am in NYC. These freaks are walking around like they own the place. I yelled out the window of my SUV whenever I saw them “Bush-04”. [/quote]
'cause you’re an idiot.
…no worries – Kerry’s got NY in the bag…keep yelling hedo!
aw, poor boy…are you crying, ZEB?
[quote]When I read shit like this in today’s news “Police said an officer needed 38 stitches for a leg wound he suffered at the scene.”; I feel like beating the hell out of every single person there.
I do not understand why you have to be so disrespectful to an officer trying to do his job. They’re hate runs so deep that they hurt a police officer. That’s seriously fu**ed up!
I hope the person that did this sits in jail for a long time and becomes someones bi**h![/quote]
or, you could look at it another way – people demonstrate because they object, and police, sometimes being “edgy,” get aggressive, leading to protestors feeling more oppressed and themselves getting aggressive.
Face it, you’d prefer everyone to shut the fuck up so long as they object to your ideology. It WOULD be easier that way! But, too bad.
ZEB, you are, indeed, the most ignorant and lost old soul I’ve had the pleasure of arguing with on this board. It is a special thing to see such as simple mind be so lost on so many things.
um…ok if you say so.
If you honestly think that most conservatives hate you dont understand convservatism and you dont understand much about how politics work. Smarten up.
I decided to gather up my wife and children and watch an hour or so of CPAN’s coverage of the proterstors in NYC.
Here are my own personal observations:
1 More females than males.
2.Many Gays, In fact two fairly chubby men began kissing in front of the CPAN camara. Not what you would call a pretty sight.
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Two protestors flipping the bird either to the camara or someone near it.
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An incredible amount of hateful signs. Some comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler. Others calling Bush a murderer. Gee…is that hateful?
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Some chanting on occasion. One chant I heard: “Fuck Fox News.”
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One interview with a protestor who was so filled with hate he had a difficult time finishing a sentence. This was a good thing.
Overall I would say that my first impression about mainstream America not protesting in NYC this week is dead on! I reiterate: the radical left is out in full force in NYC spreading hate!
In fact, I have not seen such a collection of poor behavior, manner and dress in one place in a long time. Anyone who may have been undecided as to which candidate to vote for need only take a good long look at the protestors in NYC and they will be voting for President George W. Bush!
With that stated, I am very happy to be living in a country where even such hateful people have an opportunity to express themselves.
RSU:
No not crying, but thanks for your concern.
One day, when you get a little older and you are not being spoon fed the liberal line from your college professors you may think differently. You see RSU thinking on your own is a bit different than repeating the party line you have been fed.
I honestly feel it’s going to take you earning some real money. This may very well happen…in time.
For you Lumpy,
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14836
Thats one article…I found others. The leader of the Ruckus society has been charged countless times with shit like this…Santa Claus during Christmas time…you are a liberal drone if there ever was one.
Why dont you watch your fucking tone? I wasnt looking to pick a fight with every guy out there who calls himself a liberal. Protest if you want…I could care less…just be peaceful about it. Ever see the tapes of the riots in Seattle? In fact, the police have had to brawl with some of these nut-job eco-terrorist, animal-rights terrorists in my neck of the woods too.
Yea…they’re all peace-loving people who were pushed to violence by having the indignity of looking at a guy in a blue suit. Or because they have a president who isnt a communist.
The fact that you would even begin to defend the fringe elements of those who share your political beliefs shows how insane you are. You never seem to be able to make an argument…just throw insults and cut-and paste crap from liberal web sites.
As far as the ACLU goes, they, along with the National Lawyers Guild, are single-handly responsible for most of the decline in American society. Think about it. Why are the police so hesitant to aggressively pursue criminals anymore? How much of a “lawsuit tax” is hidden in the goods and services we buy? Why are so many doctors closing up shop or refusing to take on any high risk patients? Jesus…I could go on forever. Rampant lawyer bullyism is our greatest internal threat. I could care less what Rush Limbaugh does…in fact, I thought he was a piece of shit for crawling to the ACLU.
Realize this, most of America is not with you. How much of the protest crowd do you think are successsful business men, soldiers, cops, doctors and hard-working tradesmen? We’re all working and shaking our heads while a few hundred thousand of these unwashed assholes run around the city. If you could somehow poll every man woman and child in America, how many do you think would want their hard-earned dollars confiscated and redistributed, their guns seized, their courts raped by trial lawyers and small interest groups, their trucks taking by environmentalists, thier constitution subverted to the will of the third world dictators in the UN, their homes invaded by criminals and their American heritage and family values spit on by the ACLU, the modern hard-left democratic party and smart-ass punks like you? Not many. But still you prance around and pretend that you and your ilk are “mainstream” somehow, because you make the most noise and get the most air time on NBC.
I would have been happy to leave it at “This is America, lets agree to disagree.” However, it has clearly gone beyond that and for many of us this is intensly personal.
I think this is very telling…Find a conservative who would defend far-right groups like some of the separatist militia nuts. With a few exceptions, it won’t happen. Now look how quick our good little commie lumpy ran to defend the far left nuts of the Ruckus Society.
Speaks volumes.
Like you’d know…
[quote]Navin Johnson wrote:
I feel that the war on terror would be over by jow if it were not for out enemies onour own soil. Sure, there are going to be jack offs all over the world that hate you. Everwonder why many kids, kids who sleep on sofas and on stairwells are the ones throwing bricks through Starbucks windows? because if te US becomes teh shithole like the rest of te middle east tehy woudl notic a change.[/quote]
navin you should read a book my stephen emerson called American Jihad. its about how the terrorist organizations started ib this contry n the 70’s and 80’s right out in the open. ie islamic jihad, al Qaeda, Hamas, The uslim Brotherhood which is vey important. because Osama bin Laden’s professor from the U of Jeddah was part of it , in which he played a big role in changing him. read it tll teach you and make you mad at the same time, since its part of th reason that ( the US) let them( the terrorists) exist in our country.
Of course the protesters have the right to be out there protesting. Basic 1st Amendment stuff - get out, scream and shout your message, represent your cause, etc., etc.
However, just remember that the protesters don’t have the right to block traffic, arrest people’s progress on public thoroughfares, hold rallies without proper permits (the permit requirement is fine and not an illegal infringement of speech provided it is required of every group of a certain size, regardless of message).
If the protesters engage in illegal activity, the police should arrest them. In addition to what I listed above, illegal activities that the police should not tolearte also include trespassing, public nudity (saw that one on the news last night), and, obviously, any sort of vandalism or violence.
Citizens have the right of free speech, and should use it - but they have the duty to exercise that right responsibly, and to comply with the normal laws. They don’t get a pass simply because they’re upset with Republicans.
If there are incidents akin to the protests in Seattle when the world trade talks were there a few years ago, I hope the police toss all offenders in the can for the duration of the week.
Coach Morris,
Hey, thanks for adding a new phrase to my vocabulary!!! “Jeebus W. Bush.” I like that!!!
You are wrong about us hating groups.
Most of us do hate things, however.
We hate: excuses, lack of personal responsibility, someone telling us they can spend our money better, saying things like “the definition of is, is”, and people who attack our country.
We hate: the media bias, people who get $1000.00 haircuts trying to act progressive, and being proud of unleashing 10,000 lawyers when you lose.
I hope I’ve cleared up a few things for you.
Keep posting, you make me look good!!!
JeffR
[quote]ZEB wrote:
RSU:
No not crying, but thanks for your concern.
One day, when you get a little older and you are not being spoon fed the liberal line from your college professors you may think differently. You see RSU thinking on your own is a bit different than repeating the party line you have been fed.
I honestly feel it’s going to take you earning some real money. This may very well happen…in time.[/quote]
I can be rich, I can be poor; I can be young I can be old; I can do 100 chins or 10, but I’ll never, ever be like you!
“I can be rich, I can be poor; I can be young I can be old; I can do 100 chins or 10, but I’ll never, ever be like you!”
You are right, RSU, you are very special!!! You are OK and darned if you aren’t proud of it!!!
Keep it up, you special person you,
JeffR
Jeff, you are doing a lot of personal attacks these days. Quit being so demeaning and negative to people already. Someone might claim you are making “vroom type” comments and I know how much you’d hate that!
RSU:
It would take a great deal of life’s experience and then the ability to interpret it appropriately, so I guess you have a point. However, I suggest that you never stop trying!
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Coach Morris,
Hey, thanks for adding a new phrase to my vocabulary!!! “Jeebus W. Bush.” I like that!!!
HAHA. Jon Stewart of the Daily Show had a funny line similar to that. Someone at the Dem. Convention was slowly saying John F. Kerry’s name in a speech, but instead said, “John F. Kennedy, I mean, Kerry.”
Jon Stewart then said the GOP was fast working on a way to work the name
Jesus W. Lincoln into their speeches.
RSU I like being called an idiot by people like you. Really I do. Trust me, by any standard you wouldn’t measure up. And thank you for proving my point.
NYC is hardly a reflection of the rest of the country. Kerry may have it in the bag but it will do him very little.
Off to an convention get together. Hope I see some protestors on the way.
disgraceful
NYT
"Protesters’ Encounters With Delegates on the Town Turn Ugly
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
Outside a hotel in Times Square, delegates to the Republican National Convention were swarmed by protesters dressed in black and swearing at them. Blocks away, delegates engaged in shoving matches with protesters seeking to spoil their night at the theater. And outside “The Lion King” on 42nd Street, a delegate was punched by a protester who ran by.
Although the organized protests yesterday and Sunday have been largely peaceful, there has been a starkly different tone to smaller incidents in Midtown and elsewhere: angry encounters and planned harassment of convention delegates as they go out on the town.
Sometimes the delegates answer back in toe-to-toe, finger-pointing shouting matches. Other times the police, who are guarding delegate gatherings, have dispersed protesters, who move on to other locations to taunt other delegates.
The harassment of delegates came as organized protests continued to draw thousands of people. The Still We Rise march by advocates for social issues was peaceful, and a Poor People’s March, a column several blocks long, proceeded from the United Nations to the Madison Square Garden yesterday after the police decided to let it go ahead without a permit.
When marchers approached the Garden, a police detective was knocked off his scooter. He was then repeatedly kicked and punched in the head by at least one male demonstrator, the police said.
The detective, William Sample, was listed in serious condition at St. Vincent’s Manhattan Hospital, where Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly both visited him, the police said. There was no immediate word of an arrest in the assault, but as of 9 p.m., the police said there had been 11 protest-related arrests.
The heavy police presence at the Garden apparently inspired the coordinated plan by anarchists and other radicals to strike out at the delegates at their hotels, breakfasts, parties, and on the streets.
The incidents are the result of months of planning by opposition groups, who report that they have obtained copies of plans and addresses for delegates’ parties, caucuses and other gatherings outside the Garden.
Their efforts are aided by a support network that uses cellphone text messaging. Text message was also used extensively in a bike protest on Friday night and during demonstrations in Times Square on Sunday.
“CT delegation breakfast everyday @ Maison (7th ave & 53rd) from 7-8:30. Can we get some dissenters?” said one text message yesterday, apparently referring to the Connecticut delegation’s plan to gather at a Midtown restaurant. “Maison has outdoor buffet. It would be direct contact with delegates.”
One Internet discussion list used by protesters posted an advisory about where some delegate buses would be idling in Midtown every morning. Another message included phone numbers and e-mail addresses for convention officials and advised that delegate hotels would be busiest in the morning and evening.
The police are bracing for another round of unsanctioned demonstrations today, which protesters have designated a day of “nonviolent civil disobedience and direct action.” Among the parties expected to be a target is the Tennessee delegation’s gathering at Sotheby’s. A group calling itself the Man in Black Bloc plans to protest it, saying it is angered that the convention intends to honor the late country singer Johnny Cash.
Yesterday, Jamie Moran, who lives in Brooklyn and describes himself as an anarchist and helps direct the rncnotwelcome.org Web site, was roaming Times Square with a band of protesters shouting at delegates. “These people are in a bubble,” he said. “This is absolutely better than standing outside the Garden and shouting to let them know they are not welcome here.”
As delegate buses arrived at the Garden yesterday afternoon, protesters who had gathered for a demonstration screamed obscenities and gestured rudely at them. When the police spotted Pete Coors, a Republican candidate for Senate from Colorado, walking near the group, they swiftly steered him away.
Clearly, the protesters were not deterred by entreaties by former Mayor Edward I. Koch that New Yorkers be nice and an offer by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg to give peaceful protesters buttons and shopping discounts.
Adam Chase, 23, who said he came from Michigan for the protests, said that while he believed demonstrators should not be violent, “I think it is quite unfair for the R.N.C. and the delegates to tell us we should not be telling them we think they are exploiting the fears of the people.”
Mindful that delegates are targets, police officers guard their hotels and ride aboard their chartered buses around town, and several receive police escorts to various events.
“New York City is a fortress, and I love it,” Joseph Kyrillos, the New Jersey state Republican chairman, said yesterday at a delegate breakfast. “We need to thank the New York police for all the protection.”
Leonardo Alcivar, a spokesman for the convention, said officials recommended that delegates not respond to heckling and taunts, which he said have been “few and far between.”
Still, he said, “Our delegates understand the old adage, do unto others as they do unto you.”
The tensest encounters between delegates and protesters so far occurred Sunday evening when large groups of demonstrators moved through the theater district while delegates were attending shows under arrangements prepared by convention planners. Several protesters were arrested for trying to block hotel and theater entrances, and face-to-face standoffs abounded.
Outside “Bombay Dreams” demonstrators shouted at and videotaped people standing outside for intermission.
At “Aida,” a group of protesters unfurled a banner and hurled invective at delegates leaving the show. Some looked nervous, but a few shouted back, “You’re sick, sick.”
Delegates lined up to see “Phantom of the Opera” ended up in a sing-song, tit-for-tat with protesters. One protester shouted, “The phantom dies at the end.”
Flora Rohrs, a delegate from Colorado, burst into song, “This is my country,” with bits of “God Bless America” thrown in. She said, “What is going on here is we are still going to get George Bush re-elected.”
For some, there was no escape even at dinner.
“A person came by and used an explicative and stuck his finger in our face,” said Deb Etcheson, an alternate delegate from Iowa. “But I don’t blame that on New Yorkers. I just love this city.”
Some delegates seemed perplexed, even hurt, not because they did not expect protesters to be here, but because they did not expect them to get personal. “They were using foul language, getting real ugly,” said Kim Kirkwood, a delegate from Amarillo, Tex. Her husband, Jim, said he could not understand it. “I have friends who are Democrats in Texas, and we talk about things, agree to disagree.”"