NPC Introduces Men's Physique Division for 2011

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Hey remember when bodybuilding was about building a great, athletic and sexy body?

I dont see why some people see this as a big deal. If they dont want them to show legs, what does it matter? Still takes a lot of time to get to that kind of development for most people.

I’d be very interested to see how this looks in a few years time, it has potential for sure.[/quote]

? Why are people acting like this is so new? The only thing new here is for it to be COMBINED with an NPC contest. They do these small “model” shows all of the time but usually associated with smaller bodybuilding contests and usually used as a vehicle for athletic modeling agencies to find new models.

It doesn’t have much more potential than what you see. It will attract some women and a ton of gay guys along with some mags. Other than that, the guys you see in that pic will NOT be what the majority look like.

Why are people acting like this is some answer to bodybuilding? It isn’t. If you don’t want big muscles, you aren’t “bodybuilding”. You are “physique training” or “fitness training”.

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[quote]worzel wrote:
Personally I think the board shorts look dumb! They take away from the guys physiques.

Are the faces being judged, I don’t know? But if we take the following judging criteria we can ‘assume’ they will be!

“Presentation: Competitors will walk to the center of the stage alone and perform quarter (1/4) turns with optional pose of hand on hip or hand in pocket, face the judges as directed then proceed to the side of the stage”.

Now if you happen to look like Freddy Krueger and you are standing next to someone that looks like Brad Pitt you’re rightly screwed or at least your chances are diminished. This is even more evident if the judging criteria for physique is so limited in respects to the poses required.

As an alternative (with similarities) I have always liked the idea of the competition that exile-swede competed in. He posted here in 2008, check out the link

Here are some examples sans those dopey board shorts

I could see how a Mens Physique Comp would appeal to the greater masses and in turn attract more business…[/quote]

This is NOT like “athletic fitness”. That doesn’t exactly reel in the crowds by the way, at least not in America.

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the people posted in the sample picture are definitely not small (all of are probably bigger than me lol)

I dont see what the big deal is. This is more of a male model look so the board shorts are applicable ok.

I think 99.9999% of men in the world would LOVE to look like those guys.

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[quote]Prisoner wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]mr popular wrote:
Better idea:

Stop letting bodybuilders win shows that sacrifice all symmetry and aesthetics to be as massive and grossly-shredded as possible.

Reward proportion, ban diuretics and other conditioning drugs (and actually ENFORCE IT), and then we won’t have to have an entire fagatronic sub-competition that a mainstream audience doesn’t cringe to look at.

Bodybuilding used to be cool on it’s own. It WAS the upper limit of aesthetic bodily perfection, as recent as the 90s. And a few decades ago, they didn’t wear sparkly thongs either… they wore ordinary posing trunks.[/quote]

I think the mid-90s is when shit just got out of control. Look at the guys from back in the days, even up to the early 90s. Granted they were juiced, but they didn’t look as grotesque as some of the pros of this mellenium.

Look at some old timers, some of whom were IFBB top dogs:

Lee Haney
Casey Viator
Sergio Oliva
Arnold
Tom Platz (maybe not best symmetry and aesthetics)
Serge Nubret
Dorian Yates
Gary Strydom
Sammir Banout

All these guys were huge AND symmetrical AND/OR didn’t look like NYC Bodies Exhibits. Eveb mass monsters like Gary Strydom and Mike Francois came in with waspy waists. [/quote]

two compounds became widely used:

Slin, and GH.

That changed physiques.
[/quote]

I find that interesting. How exactly do you think they changed modern bodybuilding physiques?

It’s something I’ve noticed that I just haven’t been able to put my finger on for a while now.

And on a sidenote, when I said great physiques were seen as recent as the 90s, I was referring to people like Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone. Of course the 80s were the bodybuilding heyday, and the 70’s were the Golden age.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Hey remember when bodybuilding was about building a great, athletic and sexy body?

I dont see why some people see this as a big deal. If they dont want them to show legs, what does it matter? Still takes a lot of time to get to that kind of development for most people.

I’d be very interested to see how this looks in a few years time, it has potential for sure.[/quote]

? Why are people acting like this is so new? The only thing new here is for it to be COMBINED with an NPC contest. They do these small “model” shows all of the time but usually associated with smaller bodybuilding contests and usually used as a vehicle for athletic modeling agencies to find new models.

It doesn’t have much more potential than what you see. It will attract some women and a ton of gay guys along with some mags. Other than that, the guys you see in that pic will NOT be what the majority look like.

Why are people acting like this is some answer to bodybuilding? It isn’t. If you don’t want big muscles, you aren’t “bodybuilding”. You are “physique training” or “fitness training”.[/quote]

I’m more hoping the fact that now its at big bodybuilding venues, there will be bigger guys there who dont want to get to a real low bodyfat level for not a great amount of prize money. I’m not into the 4% bodyfat ordeal - everyting it takes to get there, losing your mass if you mess it up. Thats just not what I personally wanna do, or see… If this goes against “bodybuilding” then… well I guess I’m not bodybuilding. But I’m not AGAINST big muscles.

Its just what I hope, I know that doesnt mean its realistic or gonna happen, just saying my 2cents.

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[quote]mr popular wrote:

[quote]Prisoner wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]mr popular wrote:
Better idea:

Stop letting bodybuilders win shows that sacrifice all symmetry and aesthetics to be as massive and grossly-shredded as possible.

Reward proportion, ban diuretics and other conditioning drugs (and actually ENFORCE IT), and then we won’t have to have an entire fagatronic sub-competition that a mainstream audience doesn’t cringe to look at.

Bodybuilding used to be cool on it’s own. It WAS the upper limit of aesthetic bodily perfection, as recent as the 90s. And a few decades ago, they didn’t wear sparkly thongs either… they wore ordinary posing trunks.[/quote]

I think the mid-90s is when shit just got out of control. Look at the guys from back in the days, even up to the early 90s. Granted they were juiced, but they didn’t look as grotesque as some of the pros of this mellenium.

Look at some old timers, some of whom were IFBB top dogs:

Lee Haney
Casey Viator
Sergio Oliva
Arnold
Tom Platz (maybe not best symmetry and aesthetics)
Serge Nubret
Dorian Yates
Gary Strydom
Sammir Banout

All these guys were huge AND symmetrical AND/OR didn’t look like NYC Bodies Exhibits. Eveb mass monsters like Gary Strydom and Mike Francois came in with waspy waists. [/quote]

two compounds became widely used:

Slin, and GH.

That changed physiques.
[/quote]

I find that interesting. How exactly do you think they changed modern bodybuilding physiques?

It’s something I’ve noticed that I just haven’t been able to put my finger on for a while now.

And on a sidenote, when I said great physiques were seen as recent as the 90s, I was referring to people like Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone. Of course the 80s were the bodybuilding heyday, and the 70’s were the Golden age. [/quote]

The 80’s? Bodybuilding reached peak popularity in the 90’s. Part of that was it being viewed on cable randomly opening up the audience. Believe it or not, but New Kids on The block even helped some because one of the singers (the larger dude with the dark hair who never sang) was into bodybuilding and had a interview he did on MTV where he met Lee Haney. That was the first time I saw Lee Haney move because before that I only saw him in mags. It blew my mind that anyone could have a back that big.

Gh and insulin opened up how much size these guys could pack on their frames. Few were competing above 260-265lbs before then unless they were over 6’2".

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Hey remember when bodybuilding was about building a great, athletic and sexy body?

I dont see why some people see this as a big deal. If they dont want them to show legs, what does it matter? Still takes a lot of time to get to that kind of development for most people.

I’d be very interested to see how this looks in a few years time, it has potential for sure.[/quote]

? Why are people acting like this is so new? The only thing new here is for it to be COMBINED with an NPC contest. They do these small “model” shows all of the time but usually associated with smaller bodybuilding contests and usually used as a vehicle for athletic modeling agencies to find new models.

It doesn’t have much more potential than what you see. It will attract some women and a ton of gay guys along with some mags. Other than that, the guys you see in that pic will NOT be what the majority look like.

Why are people acting like this is some answer to bodybuilding? It isn’t. If you don’t want big muscles, you aren’t “bodybuilding”. You are “physique training” or “fitness training”.[/quote]

I’m more hoping the fact that now its at big bodybuilding venues, there will be bigger guys there who dont want to get to a real low bodyfat level for not a great amount of prize money. I’m not into the 4% bodyfat ordeal - everyting it takes to get there, losing your mass if you mess it up. Thats just not what I personally wanna do, or see… If this goes against “bodybuilding” then… well I guess I’m not bodybuilding. But I’m not AGAINST big muscles.

Its just what I hope, I know that doesnt mean its realistic or gonna happen, just saying my 2cents.[/quote]

Every guy you see in that pic is below 7% body fat. If they count against larger muscles, then no, you will only see smaller people trying to compete.

I haven’t seen someone as big as the guy in black in one of these before and that pic was probably taken only for promo.

I know what you are getting at, but I don’t think you really understand what you are looking at. the only difference between their conditioning MAY be the use of diuretics…and two of those guys look like they may have used that too.

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Just hoping they dont count against larger muscles is all. I’m just hoping the guy in black isnt for the sake of promo, and you’ll see those kind of builds more than the others.

It’s also very possible I dont fully understand what I’m looking at. Other people on here have loads more knowledge than me just saying what I think.

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Just hoping they dont count against larger muscles is all.[/quote]

They do. That is part of the criteria.

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Should probably have read it properly, cheers.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:
Personally I think the board shorts look dumb! They take away from the guys physiques.

Are the faces being judged, I don’t know? But if we take the following judging criteria we can ‘assume’ they will be!

“Presentation: Competitors will walk to the center of the stage alone and perform quarter (1/4) turns with optional pose of hand on hip or hand in pocket, face the judges as directed then proceed to the side of the stage”.

Now if you happen to look like Freddy Krueger and you are standing next to someone that looks like Brad Pitt you’re rightly screwed or at least your chances are diminished. This is even more evident if the judging criteria for physique is so limited in respects to the poses required.

As an alternative (with similarities) I have always liked the idea of the competition that exile-swede competed in. He posted here in 2008, check out the link

Here are some examples sans those dopey board shorts

I could see how a Mens Physique Comp would appeal to the greater masses and in turn attract more business…[/quote]

This is NOT like “athletic fitness”. That doesn’t exactly reel in the crowds by the way, at least not in America.[/quote]

I did’nt say it was like “athletic fitness” I said I liked athletic fitness and it has ‘similarities’ to Mens Physique. There is a posing round in both comps, albeit limited in terms of actual poses and these are the similarities I was referring to.

Mens Physique
Comparison Round - 1) The competitors will be brought back out in a group and directed to do quarter turns. 2) Judges will have the opportunity to compare competitors against each other in quarter turns. This is ‘similar’ to the athletic fitness posing round as posted in the above clips.

I get your point about not attracting ‘big crowds’ but ‘I’ can see that this comp will attract a wider sweep of the public than the NPC already does, thus exposing new comers to the world of physique enhancement and all that that entails - in turn attracting more business

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[quote]mr popular wrote:

[quote]Prisoner wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]mr popular wrote:
Better idea:

Stop letting bodybuilders win shows that sacrifice all symmetry and aesthetics to be as massive and grossly-shredded as possible.

Reward proportion, ban diuretics and other conditioning drugs (and actually ENFORCE IT), and then we won’t have to have an entire fagatronic sub-competition that a mainstream audience doesn’t cringe to look at.

Bodybuilding used to be cool on it’s own. It WAS the upper limit of aesthetic bodily perfection, as recent as the 90s. And a few decades ago, they didn’t wear sparkly thongs either… they wore ordinary posing trunks.[/quote]

I think the mid-90s is when shit just got out of control. Look at the guys from back in the days, even up to the early 90s. Granted they were juiced, but they didn’t look as grotesque as some of the pros of this mellenium.

Look at some old timers, some of whom were IFBB top dogs:

Lee Haney
Casey Viator
Sergio Oliva
Arnold
Tom Platz (maybe not best symmetry and aesthetics)
Serge Nubret
Dorian Yates
Gary Strydom
Sammir Banout

All these guys were huge AND symmetrical AND/OR didn’t look like NYC Bodies Exhibits. Eveb mass monsters like Gary Strydom and Mike Francois came in with waspy waists. [/quote]

two compounds became widely used:

Slin, and GH.

That changed physiques.
[/quote]

I find that interesting. How exactly do you think they changed modern bodybuilding physiques?

It’s something I’ve noticed that I just haven’t been able to put my finger on for a while now.

And on a sidenote, when I said great physiques were seen as recent as the 90s, I was referring to people like Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone. Of course the 80s were the bodybuilding heyday, and the 70’s were the Golden age. [/quote]

Yeah, those two guys too. I think we could throw Shawn Ray in there too.

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I always thought this guy had some of the best aesthetics around.

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The baggy board shorts just doesn’t make much sense - a physique competition where you can’t see a third of the physique

Why not allow a tank top as well

I understand that 300 lb guys wearing sparkly red g strings must look suspicious to the public though. There must be a middle ground - How about keep your ass covered, and that be the rule… something like the old school posing trunks

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A Boxer Brief look or Board shorts that are mid thigh…like Docker Board shorts would do the trick. Otherwise I have no prob with this division. And yeah…most of those “MF” or “Mens Health” models are pretty jacked in their own right.

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[quote]thogue wrote:
The baggy board shorts just doesn’t make much sense - a physique competition where you can’t see a third of the physique

Why not allow a tank top as well

I understand that 300 lb guys wearing sparkly red g strings must look suspicious to the public though. There must be a middle ground - How about keep your ass covered, and that be the rule… something like the old school posing trunks[/quote]

ITS A MODEL SEARCH

How many models do you see in fitness equipement ads, suppement ads, workout plugs wearing briefs??? Their legs will never been seen when they take photos for the company that hires them

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[quote]thogue wrote:
The baggy board shorts just doesn’t make much sense - a physique competition where you can’t see a third of the physique

Why not allow a tank top as well

I understand that 300 lb guys wearing sparkly red g strings must look suspicious to the public though. There must be a middle ground - How about keep your ass covered, and that be the rule… something like the old school posing trunks[/quote]

I am confused as to why some of you are relating this to bodybuilding. This is not a physique contest if they count AGAINST big muscles.

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I know this forum is several months old, but I just wanted to clarify that the picture that the OP included in the first post is not from a men’s physique competition, it is from a Muscle and Fitness model search; that’s why 4 of the 5 guys are wearing shoes or flip-flops.

So none of these guys “won” over the others, they were simply posing to try to be “discovered” as cover models. The picture was included on the original web page (in November 2010) to show the types of physiques that may do well in the Men’s Physique competitions.

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One of the guys in our facebook BOI group just took the physique overall at the NPC Southern California Championships. I have a ton more respect for the division after following his journey for that show, mad props to him.

He’s about 6’3 and was a little under 215 on stage. Definitely not small.

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Beast.