Notes on My Dianabol/Nondrolone

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I thought he was a troll at first too, beggin’ to be told what the best OTC test booster is when he’s on a fucking cycle…

Boxer, I’m years away from steroid use, yet I learn absolutely nothing from you. So your comments about you are more experienced and useful than those who haven’t used are utter bullshit. You barely bench, squat, or deadlift your pathetic post cycle bodyweight. My lifts were where your’s are when I was in 10th fucking grade. (And this may be hard to believe but I was gasp natural)

Constructive criticism would be to learn how to eat and to train. Any fucker can walk around in a gym for 10 years and still know dick meaning his “experience” is useless.[/quote]

I am in the same boat as GetSwole and I agree 100% with what he just said.

Also as what was stated before. Knowledge and experience are two completely different things. For example, I’ve been to the doctor, this does not give me the ability to diagnose and cure people.

You are making enemies and insulting some of the most knowledgable people on this whole site.

Gerdy

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what makes you think im not qualified to teach someone to do a ventrogluteal injection? what makes you think i cant tell a noob how im feeling and what ive noticed from personal experience… i wouldnt claim to be an expert but there are certain things i can definately give advice on… like to plan your cycle ahead of time, and get PCT before you start.

i dont mind flaming, it doesnt hurt my feelings. i just think it is pointless and the time could be better spent. i know im not a doctor or a pro BB… so what? so you were stronger than me at a young age… so what? i never claimed to be an expert… i said im a noob on first cycle and if any other noobs have questions about it ask. i wouldnt tell someone anything unless i knew it was correct otherwise id tell them what they need to look up. i am also reading and learning still and asking questions… so you dont need to tell me to do that.

you guys always jump to conclusions and assume the worst about people you dont know anything about. i will let my success do the talking. thanks for the reply testanobol… i disagree that i deserve flaming, but if that makes people happy, have at it.

too many dumb things to reply to but ill start with this:\

“Please kid I implore you to stop what you are doing and find someone knowledgeable to help with your (natural) training down the gym, and over the next 5 years read lots and lots of info on AAS and then in 5 years time make a decision about doing a cycle.”

i am having plenty of help with my training at the gym. why wait 5 more years before doing AAS? i know everything i need to know to make my choice about whether or not to do steroids… ive decided yes. so lets move on… im improving everything i can knowledge, diet, training… theres nothing for you to hate on except the fact that you think i started too early, which is history

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What are we jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst about.

Face it man…you didn’t do anywhere close to everything in your power naturally before you decided to start steroids. You shouldn’t give advice because you are exactly what people SHOULD NOT do, and that is start AAS when they obviously don’t have their mind right, their training right, and their nutrition down pat.

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[quote]Boxer666 wrote:
you guys always jump to conclusions and assume the worst about people you dont know anything about. i will let my success do the talking. thanks for the reply testanobol… i disagree that i deserve flaming, but if that makes people happy, have at it.[/quote]

No one has jumped to any conclusion with you. You have given us all the facts we need to come to an intelligent decision.

Look around, pee wee. No one is coming to your aid. You have been told by everyone you are not qualified to give advice.

At what point does it sink in to your tiny little brain that you should just shut the fuck up?

SO you can give a shot. Big fucking deal. My wife has to - but she’s not in here acting like she’s an AAS guru.

You will not be giving any advice in this forum without me, or someone else following behind you to warn whatever poor sap you are replying to that you are an incompetent little poser.

But thanks for stopping by.

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
What are we jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst about.

Face it man…you didn’t do anywhere close to everything in your power naturally before you decided to start steroids. You shouldn’t give advice because you are exactly what people SHOULD NOT do, and that is start AAS when they obviously don’t have their mind right, their training right, and their nutrition down pat.[/quote]

jumping to conclusions and assuming im an idiot and do not intend to be serious about diet, training, and learning. i am not trying to take the easy way out, i am trying to be the best i can and admitedly i am still learning.

i went from boxing straight to bodybuilding… i admit i could have waited but i struggle to put on size from all the cardio i think. i have lifted religiously for a large portion of my life… i am not as new as you think. i was at a bad plateu and hadnt gained weight or strength in at least 5 years and this is with high effort and eating. i can do a lot more naturally and i plan to do that after this. yes i know i did everything wrong, but i learned from it, and advised people not to do what i did. i never claimed to be a GURU… but from my particular situation i have learned quite a bit first hand and i thought id share so some can reinforce their ideas about certain things.

go away rainjack… you dont need to warn people not to listen to me. tell me what i suggested people do that is wrong? not in the thread pm me lol. lets just let it die since nobody likes it

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[quote]Boxer666 wrote:
go away rainjack… you dont need to warn people not to listen to me. tell me what i suggested people do that is wrong? not in the thread pm me lol. lets just let it die since nobody likes it[/quote]

Sorry. I’m not going anywhere.

You suggested noobs talk to you. That is horrifically wrong - and dangerous.

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[quote]Boxer666 wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
What are we jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst about.

Face it man…you didn’t do anywhere close to everything in your power naturally before you decided to start steroids. You shouldn’t give advice because you are exactly what people SHOULD NOT do, and that is start AAS when they obviously don’t have their mind right, their training right, and their nutrition down pat.

jumping to conclusions and assuming im an idiot and do not intend to be serious about diet, training, and learning. i am not trying to take the easy way out, i am trying to be the best i can and admitedly i am still learning.

i went from boxing straight to bodybuilding… i admit i could have waited but i struggle to put on size from all the cardio i think. i have lifted religiously for a large portion of my life… i am not as new as you think. i was at a bad plateu and hadnt gained weight or strength in at least 5 years and this is with high effort and eating. i can do a lot more naturally and i plan to do that after this. yes i know i did everything wrong, but i learned from it, and advised people not to do what i did. i never claimed to be a GURU… but from my particular situation i have learned quite a bit first hand and i thought id share so some can reinforce their ideas about certain things.

go away rainjack… you dont need to warn people not to listen to me. tell me what i suggested people do that is wrong? not in the thread pm me lol. lets just let it die since nobody likes it[/quote]

Why didn’t you go to a doctor? Weighing 140 or something for 5 years and not being able to put on weight sounds like a health issue to me.

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[quote]Boxer666 wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
i was at a bad plateu and hadnt gained weight or strength in at least 5 years and this is with high effort and eating. [/quote]

I was being nice in my first response, I can’t be bothered anymore, basically you have made a right cunt of yourself and your failure to see that and the fact that you continue to make a cunt of yourself is just beyond comprehension.

The above quote from yourself is the exact reason why I advised you to get some help in the gym, 5 years and no gain in strength or weight? With high effort and eating? That is the fucking dumbest bullshit I have heard in a very long time.

EVERYTHING you have talked about so far is horribly wrong, if you need help in understanding why you are not the sort of person to be giving out advice (and are the biggest cunt on this forum) then please take a look at some of your career highlights so far:

Boxer66 quotations:

"Guess what… im gonna get some Nolvadex w00t. Then i will be successful.my balls wont shrivel up and fall off and my dick will be rock hard "

"i am stacking dbol and deca starting today

1 injection 1cc deca weekly
2 dbols daily"

“yes i am very weak and fragile thats part of why i decided to do steroids. im not worried about deca dick it doesnt seem to be effecting me. i am masturbating daily to combat it.”

“eating meat after every workout and then passing out.”

“bushy youre a faggot”

“big legs small glutes”

“i smoke before and after every workout and every few hours in between except when im at work. i think smoking makes lifting more fun. i have lifted on shrooms too. i do shrooms like some people do weed”

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??? WTF?

Okay Boxer666 MUST be joking/trolling. If those quotes are correct there’s just no other possibility.

Is it april 1st still? All month maybe??

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[quote]Electric_E wrote:
Boxer666 wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
i was at a bad plateu and hadnt gained weight or strength in at least 5 years and this is with high effort and eating.

I was being nice in my first response, I can’t be bothered anymore, basically you have made a right cunt of yourself and your failure to see that and the fact that you continue to make a cunt of yourself is just beyond comprehension.

The above quote from yourself is the exact reason why I advised you to get some help in the gym, 5 years and no gain in strength or weight? With high effort and eating? That is the fucking dumbest bullshit I have heard in a very long time.

EVERYTHING you have talked about so far is horribly wrong, if you need help in understanding why you are not the sort of person to be giving out advice (and are the biggest cunt on this forum) then please take a look at some of your career highlights so far:

Boxer66 quotations:

"Guess what… im gonna get some Nolvadex w00t. Then i will be successful.my balls wont shrivel up and fall off and my dick will be rock hard "

"i am stacking dbol and deca starting today

1 injection 1cc deca weekly
2 dbols daily"

“yes i am very weak and fragile thats part of why i decided to do steroids. im not worried about deca dick it doesnt seem to be effecting me. i am masturbating daily to combat it.”

“eating meat after every workout and then passing out.”

“bushy youre a faggot”

“big legs small glutes”

“i smoke before and after every workout and every few hours in between except when im at work. i think smoking makes lifting more fun. i have lifted on shrooms too. i do shrooms like some people do weed”

[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Your making these up right EE??? LOL WOW!

Gerdy

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nope, all 100% from the man himself.

It had to be done he has not listened when flamed,a nd even when people have been nice and polite and offered good advice he has replied with the same arrogant pissy know it all attitude.

I hope that by seeing these he realises just how stupid he has been, but I guess he is one of these idiots that believes everything he knows is correct and that is the end of it.

Damn I really should have listened to game_over, Game I am real sorry dude I was sure this guy was a troll.

Maybe now it is time to heed Games advice and just stop replying to this guy completely regardless of what he posts, he has proven he will not listen to any advice given so why waste anymore time?

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Hey buddy i started off making rediculous comment’s and arguing with the same people i should have been listening to!

Take world’s advice these gentlemen have helped me a shit load.

A little respect is what you should be showing.

Seriously you seem to want encouragement and praise not constructive critisism!

Take it for it’s worth,hop in the back seat for a while and do a lot more listening.

All in all im glad your enjoying your cycle really but you have a lot to learn!

Try starting that today by asking where you went wrong!

And a little less im 22yrs old ass attitude might help!

Good luck,
judge

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[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
Hey buddy i started off making rediculous comment’s and arguing with the same people i should have been listening to!

Take world’s advice these gentlemen have helped me a shit load.

A little respect is what you should be showing.

Seriously you seem to want encouragement and praise not constructive critisism!

Take it for it’s worth,hop in the back seat for a while and do a lot more listening.

All in all im glad your enjoying your cycle really but you have a lot to learn!

Try starting that today by asking where you went wrong!

And a little less im 22yrs old ass attitude might help!

Good luck,
judge[/quote]

now thats what i call a good post.

some of my quotes above were taken out of context and some were meant to be jokes. bushy said something to me first and i have since told him i am sorry and dont expect him to forgive me. i have not said anything to anyone that didnt say something incredibly stupid or offensive to me. i have given and will continue to give great thanks to those with helpful advice

so where did i go wrong?

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[quote]Boxer666 wrote:
so where did i go wrong?[/quote]

When you showed up thinking that you had anything to say.

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Boxer bubba you have argued and argued but still you have’nt asked where you went wrong!

Or asked the question’s what mistake’s have i made!

Your just defending yourself like some kind of 22yr old punk would!

Take world’s advice and pull your head out of your ass!

Seriously man i came off the same way at first,and still received a shit load of help.

So who was the ahole those giving the help or me!

ME!

Be a man about it,THAT’S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

Judge

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Dear Boxer,

These are the wrong things:

  1. 22 + AAS
  2. 135 lbs + AAS
  3. DECA - Test
  4. 1cc Deca
  5. No PCT
  6. Attitude problem
  7. Insulting Bushy

Are you trying to compensate for something? Let me guess. You do curls in the squat rack too… The other day in Manhattan tiny guy speeds up to me on a bike. He nearly kills himself crossing very busy street and then asks me if I can get him some Dbols. Was that you?

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Ok, boxer666, i wish to apologise for the insult i served to you in another thread, i have just consumed a rather large and delicious bowl of oatmeal with blueberrys and my carb count has put me in a more positive mood.

So, i would like to make a peace offering on behalf of myself, and i am hoping that the respected members of this forum will back away from flaming you now on condtion;

i will start another thread for you, in said thread, we will design and build you a solid cycle that is not only effective but steers clear of all possible negative side effects, such as deca dick.

Before we do this, please could you state very clearly for me, either in this thread, or by pm if thats more comfatable for you, exactly where you are in your cycle, what gear you have left, including any serms etc
also if you could post me a days diet, lifting schedule so we have something to work with.

I will ask everyone else to please turn the other cheek now to the arguements that have gone by, forgive or forget:)

Lets get back to what this forum is best at.

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no big deal man. that is way more than i deserve… thanks a lot man.

im half way through week 4. im almost out of dbol and the vial of oil is halfway done. i have a months supply of nolvadex. then after that i will stay off for a while and go back to basics… i really think all my hard work before going on is paying off now, im not just gaining strength its pretty unreal how fast my lifts are going up.

a days diet: 3 eggs and coffee in the morning

lift after breakfast

go home and stuff myself with whatever protein i can. a lot of the time its chinese food with chicken or shrimp or a hungry man. by the time im finished i am too tired to stay awake

then when i wake up i eat and eat so i can recover as much as possible for the next workout. i have some orange cream flavored GNC protein… i have 1 a day but i could do more. i will begin counting my calories starting tomorrow

i also take amino acids at night and joint helpers

i recently got 2 maxs… a solid 185x1 bench and 315x1 deadlift. my grip wasnt good enough before to hold the bar before so i tried mixed grip, it worked…

ive basically been doing west side for skinny bastards… im working on being more consistent with it. my workouts are constent but ive strayed away from the program sometimes… like today i almost did chest annd tris only but then i remembered its max effort UPPER BODY so i added some machine rows - heavier than ive done in my life… i felt like the black guy in pumping iron

i like doing the dynamic leg days but im afraid i will hit another plateu if i do dynamic upperbody… my body adapts for cardio fast and slow for strength. like if i do dynamic benching with 135… im afraid i wont be able to hit 185 again. so i start with 185 and then lower the weight and become more dynamic as i lower it… that way i will get my heavy work in AND my dynamic work in… then i wont work chest again till i know its completely recovered. perhaps bad idea? i want to try this rippetoe program where you do bench and squat and DL the same day…

i worked on my shoulders hard to help at the bottom of my bench and thats how i hit the 185. i never get it unless i warm up by slowly adding weight. it seems like light weights… but i am very skinny so it is pretty impressive to a lot of people. im not satisfied yet though… not till i can rep 225

now that im looking at it, my routine is pretty helter skelter… but i do put a lot of effort in. since i started studying bodybuilding my life has revolved around my workouts, and i dont mind. i will worry about having fun later

if you dont want to help its ok… ill go read in the noob section

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You simply will not plateau at your training age and with the added help of AAS… as unnecessary as they may be, they will definitely allow you to not worry about plateauing for the period on and a few weeks after… till your gains stop, then that wont strictly be a plateau… but recovery.
Which i will add is going to be hard, but not too bad if you dont have a girlfriend…

I am glad people are willing to start again, as long as you are too. And your post is much more in its place…

Joe :wink:

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thanks for taking the time to post that mate.
Although i will still encourage you to finish your cycle now and begin PCT, it is worth noting that the gains you are making on your cycle now will more than likely be gone within a month at the most after you finish.

The reason behind this as im sure most will agree is your nutrition schedule.
First off, every 3 hours, eat. Unless you are on fire or having sex then you must eat.
You mention you bucket in the protein - bare in mind that your body, even on cycle, will only manage to digest around 50g of protein at a time, the rest of the time, 40g is about right - This is true of me anyway.

minimum, 2 of these meals will need to be meat - and im afraid you will need to start avoiding chinese food, aside from the shitty simple sugars, chinese food is saturated in mono-sodium glutamate and your not gonna build muscle to you best potential with that crap floating round your system, so aim for beef and chicken or fish as staples.

Eggs for breakfast, spot on, but bang the amount up, 6 whole if you ca n tolerate the extra calories without fat gain or 2 whole and 5 whites.
Carbs should be from slow digesting sources i.e. not refined produce such as white bread or fried white noodles.
Oatmeal and brown rice are staples for most.

Now, this should really be in the nutrition section but what the hell, i would reccomend scouring that forum though and hovering up the info from people of your bodytype.

You may find you can break through this plateau without the assistance of drugs, and when eventually the plateau does occur, we can build a cycle with a solid base of testosterone and any others that may suit your goals and requirements. Hope this has been of some help.