Disapponited with 1st Cycle. What Went Wrong?

Pharma
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started my first test cycle on 28 th april 13.and now into my final week (week 10) and to be honest im terribly disappointed by the results for the hard work and money I put in… heres how it went…

Stats
Height 5feet7
Starting Weight 67.1 kgs
Trained for 3 years non stop focusing on compounds deads,a2g squats, pullups, dips,etc etc… i have been happy with my gains but im impatient, i want to reach my natural limit asap

THE CYCLE :
Week 1-6
Test 500mg (tesoviron Depot) (gear legit ,human grade)

total pinned 2x 250mg (Sunday / Wedneday)
went from 67.1 to close to 78-79kgs had to start adex at 0.25mg EoD in the third week as I started developing itchy nipples with slight pain and still using it. Inspite of the weight gain I still wasnt happy with what I saw in the mirror… used sustanon x2 in the 5th week as I still had not gained any strength gains and after using sust my strength starting increasing… next time definitely gonna use dbol fr 4-5 weeks at 30mg

Week 7
Test 250 mg only (Single shot for the week pinned Sunday)

Heres where things begin to get sticky… right now I look to break the 80 kgs barrier and I get all excited and start getting greedy so I decide to stretch my cycle to 12 weeks from my initially planned 8 weeks at 500 mg but I dont have enough gear for 500 each week but I come to the conclusion 250mg is still way higher from your baseline so run one 250 mg ampule for another 6 weeks plus it serves a taper so I could recover much easier or so I thought…

Week 8
Test 250 mg

holy fucking shit dropped from 78-79 range to 74-75 and my mirror test makes me even more disappointed as I looked much smaller and im like fed up and im like fuck this shit I wanna get out so I decide to finish all my remaining gear

Week 9-10
Test 500 mg (2x250 mg)

Week 9 was sustanon (legit) and week 10 test depot I started looking fuller in week 9 and now im in week 10 but still hovering around the 75-76 mark

THE TRAINING :
Training has been top notch, I havnt pushed myself this hard…

THE DIET :
I know this where I have made some mistakes by not putting that much protein like 200 g/day I could only manage min 100-130g max. have been stuffing myself with 12 eggs each day to the point where I now hate eggs and its very smell make me wanna throw up but I still shove it down. Lots of Milk and a few protein shakes. But like I said average protein range 100-130… but my diet was very clean NO junk foodâ?¦ when coming to calories i dint count… but was eating loads of rice oats etc… and fish oil caps

NOW TO MY QUESTIONS… 9 weeks in… to be honest im TERRIBLY disappointed with the all hard work and money I put in way. it look Iooks like i have put on more fat than muscle and to make matters worse the bioelectrical impedance (TANITA 410) that calculates fat % says I have put on 4.1 kgs fat(inspite of eating clean wtf !?) and 3.9 kg muscle since I started. my bf % went up from 19 to 25

  1. Is the so called fat acc to the machine actually water retention inspite of adex 0.25 EoD?

  2. Is the electrical body fat % checks accurate? even though I kind of agree to it coz donâ??t look like I put on a lot of muscle and have put on some fat especially tummy and thighs

  3. My friend who introduced me to this world of steroids started off with my same stats but at 19 yo went from a nobody to a greek god in one cycle of sustanon only 6 weeks(250/250/500/500/250/250) decent training and a diet that resembles mine. sucks I dint get anything close to his result inspite of being longer on and more than double his total dosage. Im beginning to doubt if it was just one cycle. But he swears so.

  4. The rapid loss of weight from 78-79 to 74-75 in week 8 was loss of water retention ? i had noticed a drop in strength levels as well…

  5.   If im 3.9 kgs close to the end of cycle after pct, after all the pct catabolism am I looking at 1-2kgs of muscle after being on fucking steroids ? dont you think thats such a depressing scenario !

  6.   have nolva starting on week 12 at 20/20/20/10/10 + hcg which I started at 500iu x2 for two â?? three weeks ( week 9,10,11)

  7.   Could you Point out my Mistakes that stopped me from the 15-20 lbs muscle gain on first cycles that we all see regularly on most forums

P.S this is the least i could condense my scenario to… bear with me…

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Your diet is a joke, you are FAR from ready for anabolics. I lol’d very hard in your diet section, 130g of protein is hardly sufficient for a 12 year old girl; try doing the slightest bit of research before you trash your body with AAS. Also mechanical bf% checkers are a total gimmick, they measure nothing; you fill in some inputs (height, age, body type etc), then it gives you a result based on an algorithm and a randon number generator; no actual measurement. You can try it 5 time in a row and get significantly different numbers each time. Same applies to bf% scales, total BS.

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[quote]dinomachino wrote:
Your diet is a joke, you are FAR from ready for anabolics. I lol’d very hard in your diet section, 130g of protein is hardly sufficient for a 12 year old girl; try doing the slightest bit of research before you trash your body with AAS. Also mechanical bf% checkers are a total gimmick, they measure nothing; you fill in some inputs (height, age, body type etc), then it gives you a result based on an algorithm and a randon number generator; no actual measurement. You can try it 5 time in a row and get significantly different numbers each time. Same applies to bf% scales, total BS.[/quote]

so how much would yo suggest ?

i was like under the impression , 130 grams x 7 days a week x 12 weeks = 10.9 kgs of protein for the entire time on ? and i was looking for a gain of atleast 6+ kg i guess the common sense rules of input = ouput ? dont apply here ?

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Complains about shitty gains, is not even getting 1g per body weight LOL.

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[quote]optheta wrote:
Complains about shitty gains, is not even getting 1g per body weight LOL.[/quote]

i dont really agree,
well the bf % said im 19 % bf so 67.1 kg meant 54.35 or 120 lbs lean mass i had 130 g protein…

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[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]dinomachino wrote:
Your diet is a joke, you are FAR from ready for anabolics. I lol’d very hard in your diet section, 130g of protein is hardly sufficient for a 12 year old girl; try doing the slightest bit of research before you trash your body with AAS. Also mechanical bf% checkers are a total gimmick, they measure nothing; you fill in some inputs (height, age, body type etc), then it gives you a result based on an algorithm and a randon number generator; no actual measurement. You can try it 5 time in a row and get significantly different numbers each time. Same applies to bf% scales, total BS.[/quote]

so how much would yo suggest ?

i was like under the impression , 130 grams x 7 days a week x 12 weeks = 10.9 kgs of protein for the entire time on ? and i was looking for a gain of atleast 6+ kg i guess the common sense rules of input = ouput ? dont apply here ?[/quote]

Because every g of protein you eat assimilates into muscle tissue? WTF is this shit. Troll!!

Stuffing 130g of protein down, u cannot be serious. Grow a fucking sack. 2 scoops of whey and chicken breast is 100g of protein

2 x 2x scoop shakes is 100g of protein.

2 chicken breasts and 2 shakes is 200g of protein a day. What the fucking fuck.

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I am eating 450-550 grams of protein per day. You are seriously undereating. You can take every anabolic in the world, but if you don’t eat enough you wont gain. It is simple biology. Ever tried to build a 10 foot tower of legos with 4 feet of legos? It doesn’t fucking work.

Stop wasting money and drop steroids. You are to misinformed and ignorant to use them at this point. Work on your diet and training. It baffles me when people can’t gain weight without steroids and they think magically they are going to gain it with them.

And you probably lost strength because anabolics ramp up your protein synthesis, so you actually need MORE when on cycle.

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I’d say you did well to gain what you did with this car crash of a cycle/diet

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Hops on gear, does not increase food intake, wonders what’s not right.

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Hops on gear at 148 lbs. Nuff said.

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alright alright im just looking for where i went wrong guys, enough flaming ! with the 10 + kgs in just 5 weeks i thought i was eating right, little did i know it was mostly water inspite of having adex 0.25 eod…

fine ill def bump up my protein to 200 g? next time for a dbol 30mg test 500 mg cycle, or is 200 g still not enough for my stats ? give me suggestions here regarding my stats…

and one more thing going through my present cycle did i nail everything else pct, adex, test dosage, week length, etc, etc ? any suggestions there ?

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and one more thing varying teh dosage from 500 mg to 250 then back to 500 mg fucked up my HPTA ? or im f9 ?

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[quote]G0D123 wrote:
and one more thing varying teh dosage from 500 mg to 250 then back to 500 mg fucked up my HPTA ? or im f9 ?[/quote]

you were still shutdown. do you not understand how this stuff works?

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What went wrong? How about the fact that you have 5 posts on this website and you are on gear. That could be a good general indicator of “what went wrong”. The fact that you posted this “troubleshooting” thread without laying out your actual training plan, or diet tells me your training and diet sucks balls. As someone above stated, what business does a guy that weighs 148 lbs have doing gear? I weighed 139 lbs when I joined the Army, I left basic at 155. Do you think I did any fucking steroids? Fuck no! After my first serious 16 week strength training program I went from 155 to 180, again do you think I did any steroids? Hell no!

Quit being fucking lazy and trying to use steroids to make up for your lack of work ethic. Your a lazy punk kid who wants some quick gains. Newsflash bud, people make gains because they put in the hard work, something I’m afraid you know nothing about.

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[quote]G0D123 wrote:
alright alright im just looking for where i went wrong guys, enough flaming ! with the 10 + kgs in just 5 weeks i thought i was eating right, little did i know it was mostly water inspite of having adex 0.25 eod…

fine ill def bump up my protein to 200 g? next time for a dbol 30mg test 500 mg cycle, or is 200 g still not enough for my stats ? give me suggestions here regarding my stats…

and one more thing going through my present cycle did i nail everything else pct, adex, test dosage, week length, etc, etc ? any suggestions there ?[/quote]

Enough flaming? But you didn’t learn anything or you wouldn’t have mentioned “next time”. At 5’7" you could be 10kg more than your post cycle weight and a hell of a lot leaner and still not be ready for gear. I know this because I’m about that size, and I still don’t quite feel ready to take the plunge yet (though I want to).

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I still don’t quite feel ready to take the plunge yet (though I want to).[/quote]

now is as good a time as any

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Do you know how to swim? Come on jump right in.

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[quote]patrick4588 wrote:

[quote]G0D123 wrote:
and one more thing varying teh dosage from 500 mg to 250 then back to 500 mg fucked up my HPTA ? or im f9 ?[/quote]

you were still shutdown. do you not understand how this stuff works?[/quote]

i do , its shut down but i was like just worried… so no problems i guess…

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
I still don’t quite feel ready to take the plunge yet (though I want to).[/quote]

now is as good a time as any [/quote]

Haha I know, that isn’t to say I don’t have any plans in place. I was thinking when I get my scholarship money. As a reward for working hard lol.

There are still a few things I have to solve before I do, though. Because, unlike most of the people posting first cycles, I realize that there is not going to be “just one cycle” for me. I know myself and I know that I won’t be satisfied after one cycle, especially when AAS sound like my dream drug. So it’s more about me wanting to feel 100% ready to make the jump into a new lifestyle, and one that comes with some new risks (and rewards).

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sigh ! i knew this was coming…

anyways weighed myself today morning and i stand at 78-79, up +12 kgs… so im guessing my diet wasnt that horrible (forgot to include proteins from my carb sources rice,oats, veggies so maybe arnd 150-170) but still, ya agree with you folks i needed some more protein but none of you are suggesting a number ! could you ?