'Not Meant' to Eat?

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Nooooo. How is eat to meet your goals dividing a line between quality and poor quality foods?
The better food sources you eat, the better you feel/perform. I like to feel and look good. If you want to just get by then just get by. Do whatcha want. [/quote]

Thing is that’s not really what the thread is about. It basically came down to defining “meant” to eat as anything that will produce ATP to keep you alive.

Also, it was about “grains vs. no grains” - and mostly we advocated moderation and sensibility. No one advocated eating a bunch of shit foods on a regular basis…

This thread was about Nate Green’s blog and more specifically Brian St. Pierre mentioning that he doesn’t believe that we were meant to eat grains. Yea, we can produce atp from eating it. Doesn’t mean that it’s meant to be eaten. Meant to be eaten means you can live off it without side effects not simply being able to break it down.

We can break down pills, drugs, alcohol too. Earlier in the article Nate mentioned cows eating grains and how they don’t have the proper enzymes to process them. They get sick and live on antibiotics consequently. People can break down and form atp from foods they have allergies to, does this mean they were still meant to eat it?

Also, I never said eat only crap or only healthy. Shit, I don’t. I’m too lazy to get all my cals from healthy food. I still eat very well, not perfect.

The problem is people don’t want to take the time to figure out what food best fit them. So when you see Shugart, Poliquin, Nate Green and pro paleo contributors tell people to avoid grains it’s because it’s the closest to a one-size-fits-all answer as you’re going to get.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
This thread was about Nate Green’s blog and more specifically Brian St. Pierre mentioning that he doesn’t believe that we were meant to eat grains. Yea, we can produce atp from eating it. Doesn’t mean that it’s meant to be eaten. Meant to be eaten means you can live off it without side effects not simply being able to break it down.

We can break down pills, drugs, alcohol too. Earlier in the article Nate mentioned cows eating grains and how they don’t have the proper enzymes to process them. They get sick and live on antibiotics consequently. People can break down and form atp from foods they have allergies to, does this mean they were still meant to eat it?

Also, I never said eat only crap or only healthy. Shit, I don’t. I’m too lazy to get all my cals from healthy food. I still eat very well, not perfect. [/quote]

Meant by who? This whole argument is derived from the premise that there was some design for our physiology beyond survive

And you did say eat only healthy, or at least that’s what “moderation is fine if you want to be average” sounds like.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Yea, we can produce atp from eating it. Doesn’t mean that it’s meant to be eaten. [/quote]

Actually, in the simplest bio-chemistry terms, and survival terms, being able to utilize it to stay alive without any IMMEDIATE detrimental effects is exactly what “meant” to eat is.

And that can’t be effectively argued. If you want to say that the food may produce long term health effects, that’s fine, and I agree. But saying we weren’t meant to eat things that our bodies will easily breakdown and use for energy is simply false.

It’s settled then. Anything that we can pull energy out of is now deemed meant to be eaten. Whether or not it can be classified as a sustainable energy source is another can of worms. I guess I was trying to simplify it because I see no point in eating something if it will eventually kill you or at the very least keeps you from running on optimum efficiency. And yes, junk food is okay. If not for cinnamon rolls and ice cream I wouldn’t have jumped from 182 to 193 in the past 3 months.

And you did say eat only healthy, or at least that’s what “moderation is fine if you want to be average” sounds like./quote

With 2/3’s of our country being over weight it’s pretty easy to be average and still look decent. :stuck_out_tongue:
This is a “Muscle Building Elitest” website btw

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
It’s settled then. Anything that we can pull energy out of is now deemed meant to be eaten. Whether or not it can be classified as a sustainable energy source is another can of worms. I guess I was trying to simplify it because I see no point in eating something if it will eventually kill you or at the very least keeps you from running on optimum efficiency. And yes, junk food is okay. If not for cinnamon rolls and ice cream I wouldn’t have jumped from 182 to 193 in the past 3 months.

And you did say eat only healthy, or at least that’s what “moderation is fine if you want to be average” sounds like./quote

With 2/3’s of our country being over weight it’s pretty easy to be average and still look decent. :stuck_out_tongue:
This is a “Muscle Building Elitest” website btw [/quote]

What the hell? If ALL you ate was chicken breasts, you would have some deficiencies…so why not avoid chicken breasts?

I’m not average and don’t look average…but I can still see the stance you are taking is one of alarmists and cultists who simply like belonging to a “club”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
It’s settled then. Anything that we can pull energy out of is now deemed meant to be eaten. Whether or not it can be classified as a sustainable energy source is another can of worms. I guess I was trying to simplify it because I see no point in eating something if it will eventually kill you or at the very least keeps you from running on optimum efficiency. And yes, junk food is okay. If not for cinnamon rolls and ice cream I wouldn’t have jumped from 182 to 193 in the past 3 months.

And you did say eat only healthy, or at least that’s what “moderation is fine if you want to be average” sounds like./quote

With 2/3’s of our country being over weight it’s pretty easy to be average and still look decent. :stuck_out_tongue:
This is a “Muscle Building Elitest” website btw [/quote]

What the hell? If ALL you ate was chicken breasts, you would have some deficiencies…so why not avoid chicken breasts?

I’m not average and don’t look average…but I can still see the stance you are taking is one of alarmists and cultists who simply like belonging to a “club”.[/quote]

You make me laugh. When did I ever say to eat only one thing? Don’t try and twist shit around so you can yell some more. Please explain your rationale for calling me an alarmist and cultist. Your the one who lives on this site. I have a life outside of lifting. It’s a hobby for me, not my total existence.

I had a great meal, with ingredients shunned by most paleo folks.

-2 large bowls of stu, with a lot of the volume coming from potatoes

-1 pita bread

-corn on the cob

-cold dark dark beer

Look at all dem grains and starch!

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
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I’m glad I started another long lasting thread. I can only hope for this much commentary when I come out with my website, which I plan on putting up late this year.

Modok: Yes, we’ve touched on several things here - nutritional quality, evolution, performance, and physiology.

I like discussing all these things. However, if you look at my original post, you can see that I mainly put it up because of the evolutionary argument and perspective. I know I keep repeating this ad nauseum (might have done three or four times here already), but my main gripe is fitness professionals discussing nutrition from an evolutionary standpoint when they show no formal training or education or competence in a life science, physical anthropology, or history.

There’s no way as an RD and ordinary dude I’m delving into the topic of the evolution of man. I don’t know shit about it, and people using the WEAK reasoning of, “We’re not meant to eat _____ because it’s only been 10,000 years since we’ve done so,” shows they don’t know much abotu it either!

I’ll repeat myself again: We’ve only discovered and/or consumed so-and-so food item for _____ years. I ask, So what?

How doesn’t this tell me it’s not a good idea to eat so-and-so food item?

What successful bodybuilder or athlete doesn’t eat grains?

REALLY, whose health is being hampered from consuming things like corn, barley, oatmeal, rice, millet, rye, and wheat and products made of them - provided they’re not allergic - in APPROPRIATE amounts?

XAB: I’m glad you did drop names on RDs that have no business dabbling with sports dietetics! I appreciate that much more than the dumbass blanket statement of “idiotic dietitians” because the word “idiotic” can be appplied to all professions. The first THREE doctors I went to for treatment of my hypogonadism were morons - morons that couldn’t tell something was wrong despite the fact that my lab results showed that my LH, FSH, and testosterone levels were abnormal, with the LH and FSH values being VERY LOW. Those guys are idiots!

About the picture: Of course that’s not a flattering image of RDs and Chris Shugart purposely hunted down a picture of two nebishy, unstylish, overweight dietitians to prove his point that RDs AS A WHOLE shouldn’t be taken seriously. It’s a rather juvenile move considering I’ve seen a whole slew of nurses (loads of fat ones, at least where I’ve worked), doctors, and dentists (my former one was a very fat woman) and YES, PERSONAL TRAINERS that are out of shape and have wack style. In all my years as a nutrition professional and a student, I haven’t had too many peers that are out of shape or in poor health. What few people realize is that some obese RDs became RDs because of their interest in their own physical and mental condition.

Shugart has had a habit in the past few years of using rather juvenile tactics to get his point across. Yeah, all of us on here loathe the thought of being fat. But do we really have to post pics of morbidly obese fat people who’ve possibly destroyed their lives? I don’t find it funny, and as a professional will never use that sort of tool to warn people of the dangers of poor health habits or to motivate them to implement them.

It’s also rather juvenile and mean spirited to say more infantile shit like, “Chubby guys get no ass and if they do, it’s from fat, ugly chics.” First off, I know a ton of ordinary AND chubby dudes with women and they don’t give a rat’s ass about a muscle! And second, being ugly isn’t something someone controls and to say that ugly people don’t deserve sex or a relationship IS mean spirited! Anyway, I’ve also seen LOADS of ugly dudes with hot women - and NO, not all - actually hardly any - of these guys are loaded.

And because we’re on a fitness forum, I’d like to point out a few people who did very well with high carb diets - diets so high in carbs it would be ridiculous to get all of them from fruits and vegetables.

Michael Francois regularly ate 8,000 calories, 60% of which came from carbs.

Same goes for Dorian Yates, but he ate less calories.

From what I remember reading when I was younger, Jay Cutler ate a very high carb, 10,000 calorie diet under the guidance of Chris Aceto.

How can people keep that macronutrient allotment without the consumption of grains?

And what people don’t recognize is that carbs help build muscle.

This morning I had eggs(some whole some extra whites) with spinach and a little tumeric/sea salt, oatmeal with some cherries tossed in, coffee w/a little cinnamon and a few fish oil caps

Can someone please tell me if I’m going to be OK or not?

[quote]Scott M wrote:
This morning I had eggs(some whole some extra whites) with spinach and a little tumeric/sea salt, oatmeal with some cherries tossed in, coffee w/a little cinnamon and a few fish oil caps

Can someone please tell me if I’m going to be OK or not?

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Dude, seriously? Tumeric?

I hope you have a nice plot picked out and a tombstone… ; )

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
These would be fruit, veges, nuts, flesh, water and some other random shit. [/quote]

So you’ve never seen a bodybuilding diet containing all those AND grains - grains which provide micronutrients as well?

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]MODOK wrote:
The problem comes when people try to LIVE on twinkies and other shit like that. [/quote]

Bingo - thank you Modok.

But yes, as I said earlier, people’s interpretations of Brick’s initial question have led this thread all over the map…lol…[/quote]

Yea Brick, look what you’ve created, be more specific next time. Sheeeeeeesh.[/quote]

See my last few posts. AGAIN: The post had to do with people saying stuff like this with no formal training and education in anthropology, history, life sciences, or medicine.

[quote]Scott M wrote:
This morning I had eggs(some whole some extra whites) with spinach and a little tumeric/sea salt, oatmeal with some cherries tossed in, coffee w/a little cinnamon and a few fish oil caps

Can someone please tell me if I’m going to be OK or not?

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Yeah we totally didn’t ‘evolve’ to eat concentrated spice extract. You’re pretty much screwed buddy. Such a shame.

If only we were omnivorous and could cope with a generalist diet, then we wouldnt have these problems.

Oh wait…

Oh and some salsa on the eggs. The whole eggs were from a farm near me but the egg whites were from a box.

I’m not sure if I’m meant to eat the tumeric since my ancestors(Irish) would have never come in contact with it being an Indian spice. It’s all so confusing for me.

But yeah the tumeric is supposed to have some nice health benefits and has the added bonus of staining anything it touches which is a nice weapon to have just in case.

[quote]Scott M wrote:
Oh and some salsa on the eggs. The whole eggs were from a farm near me but the egg whites were from a box.

I’m not sure if I’m meant to eat the tumeric since my ancestors(Irish) would have never come in contact with it being an Indian spice. It’s all so confusing for me.

But yeah the tumeric is supposed to have some nice health benefits and has the added bonus of staining anything it touches which is a nice weapon to have just in case. [/quote]

Did you make the salsa from scratch? Otherwise you got it from a jar, which shows that the salsa was processed.

Remember, never eat anything from a box, can, jar, or bag… and see how fun life is.

Westcoast was just funnin’ ya Brick.

It’s just that people took two approaches to this.

  1. Anything your body has the enzymes to deal with and can be converted to usable energy, and the food isn’t IMMEDIATELY harmful to you, you were meant to eat it. My approach, and X, Modok and others…including you.

  2. Foods that have any kind of detrimental effect (regardless of quantity and frequency, two major, important distinctions that were mostly ignored) should not be eaten. And of course the continued belief that starchy carbs and grains are incredibly bad for you, and the idea that if prehistoric man didn’t eat it, you can’t either.