'Not Meant' to Eat?

Nutrition
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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

“Edible” and “our bodies are designed to process them” are different things.

Doesn’t the fact that, if you eat a lot of gummy bears and twinkies, you’re unhealthy and die young indicate that we’re “not supposed” to be eating those things?
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This statement is flat out ridiculous. If it is fucking edible, then our bodies are designed to process them. That is what edible means.

Would all of those with a degree in something related to biology on this level or who is about to get one raise their hands so the rest can know to stop typing so much?

There is only so much bullshit I can take.[/quote]

Yet, in the nations where people eat gummy bears and twinkies and sugar coated cereal and donuts, most people are fat and DIE EARLY.

Yep. We’re totally meant to eat chocolate and fried corn chips. The evidence is all around us.

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LOL.

I do believe many before in this thread have already pointed out the fault in thinking that since a whole lot is bad for you, that ALL OF IT DESTROYS THE BODY. We were ‘MEANT’ to develop the capacity to control our own food intake and manipulate it. We were ‘MEANT’ to advance far beyond simply some hunter/gatherer mentality during a period so volatile that living past the age of 35 would have been considered a great feat.

Oh, and genius, that chocolate…Raw cacao is one of the top antioxidant foods in the world.[/quote]

Raw cacao = snickers bar? :stuck_out_tongue:

So, do you eat gummy bears and twinkies on a daily basis? Of course, I mean any other “junk” foods, ice cream, cake, donuts, etc.

How much of your diet is made up of “junk” foods?[/quote]

I eat ice cream every day. I eat some chocolate most days. I hit the chinese food buffet for 4 rounds of s&s pork sometimes once a week with a trip to Denny’s for a lumberjack breakfast every weekend. If I don’t do this I get too lean (for my liking and for my health) unless I cut back on activity. ‘Junk food’ is not inherently bad. Living a life of overindulgence and under-activity and not understanding your own body’s nutritional requirements is what is the problem.

When I go on backpacking trips I bring as much nutella and snickers (and protein) as I can carry because that is what I need as fuel. When I am at home with an injury and idle I eat very little sugar.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I eat ice cream every day. I eat some chocolate most days. I hit the chinese food buffet for 4 rounds of s&s pork sometimes once a week with a trip to Denny’s for a lumberjack breakfast every weekend. [/quote]

Lol…nice.

How can you not love this girl?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Ok. Hence I think that we should define what we’re “Meant to eat” based on that which promotes the best quality of health. Not what keeps us alive at the moment at the detriment of our long term health.[/quote]

Umm…no. You can define it however you like, but the biochem major in me defines it exactly as I already have, and will continue to do so. Lol…

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I eat ice cream every day. I eat some chocolate most days. I hit the chinese food buffet for 4 rounds of s&s pork sometimes once a week with a trip to Denny’s for a lumberjack breakfast every weekend. [/quote]

Lol…nice.

How can you not love this girl? [/quote]

I don’t know! :wink:

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

“Edible” and “our bodies are designed to process them” are different things.

Doesn’t the fact that, if you eat a lot of gummy bears and twinkies, you’re unhealthy and die young indicate that we’re “not supposed” to be eating those things?
[/quote]

This statement is flat out ridiculous. If it is fucking edible, then our bodies are designed to process them. That is what edible means.

Would all of those with a degree in something related to biology on this level or who is about to get one raise their hands so the rest can know to stop typing so much?

There is only so much bullshit I can take.[/quote]

Yet, in the nations where people eat gummy bears and twinkies and sugar coated cereal and donuts, most people are fat and DIE EARLY.

Yep. We’re totally meant to eat chocolate and fried corn chips. The evidence is all around us.

[/quote]

LOL.

I do believe many before in this thread have already pointed out the fault in thinking that since a whole lot is bad for you, that ALL OF IT DESTROYS THE BODY. We were ‘MEANT’ to develop the capacity to control our own food intake and manipulate it. We were ‘MEANT’ to advance far beyond simply some hunter/gatherer mentality during a period so volatile that living past the age of 35 would have been considered a great feat.

Oh, and genius, that chocolate…Raw cacao is one of the top antioxidant foods in the world.[/quote]

Raw cacao = snickers bar? :stuck_out_tongue:

So, do you eat gummy bears and twinkies on a daily basis? Of course, I mean any other “junk” foods, ice cream, cake, donuts, etc.

How much of your diet is made up of “junk” foods?[/quote]

I eat ice cream every day. I eat some chocolate most days. I hit the chinese food buffet for 4 rounds of s&s pork sometimes once a week with a trip to Denny’s for a lumberjack breakfast every weekend. If I don’t do this I get too lean (for my liking and for my health) unless I cut back on activity. ‘Junk food’ is not inherently bad. Living a life of overindulgence and under-activity and not understanding your own body’s nutritional requirements is what is the problem.

When I go on backpacking trips I bring as much nutella and snickers (and protein) as I can carry because that is what I need as fuel. When I am at home with an injury and idle I eat very little sugar. [/quote]

Interesting. You feel the ice cream, chocolate, snickers, etc, helps you better than, say, oatmeal, rice, etc?

Honest question, not to be rude.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Ok. Hence I think that we should define what we’re “Meant to eat” based on that which promotes the best quality of health. Not what keeps us alive at the moment at the detriment of our long term health.[/quote]

Umm…no. You can define it however you like, but the biochem major in me defines it exactly as I already have, and will continue to do so. Lol… [/quote]

Fair enough.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Quality of health is important.[/quote]

No one, least of all me, said it wasn’t. [/quote]

Ok. Hence I think that we should define what we’re “Meant to eat” based on that which promotes the best quality of health. Not what keeps us alive at the moment at the detriment of our long term health.[/quote]

LOL.

You dun goofed.

and consequences will never be the same.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

“Edible” and “our bodies are designed to process them” are different things.

Doesn’t the fact that, if you eat a lot of gummy bears and twinkies, you’re unhealthy and die young indicate that we’re “not supposed” to be eating those things?
[/quote]

This statement is flat out ridiculous. If it is fucking edible, then our bodies are designed to process them. That is what edible means.

Would all of those with a degree in something related to biology on this level or who is about to get one raise their hands so the rest can know to stop typing so much?

There is only so much bullshit I can take.[/quote]

Yet, in the nations where people eat gummy bears and twinkies and sugar coated cereal and donuts, most people are fat and DIE EARLY.

Yep. We’re totally meant to eat chocolate and fried corn chips. The evidence is all around us.

[/quote]

LOL.

I do believe many before in this thread have already pointed out the fault in thinking that since a whole lot is bad for you, that ALL OF IT DESTROYS THE BODY. We were ‘MEANT’ to develop the capacity to control our own food intake and manipulate it. We were ‘MEANT’ to advance far beyond simply some hunter/gatherer mentality during a period so volatile that living past the age of 35 would have been considered a great feat.

Oh, and genius, that chocolate…Raw cacao is one of the top antioxidant foods in the world.[/quote]

Raw cacao = snickers bar? :stuck_out_tongue:

So, do you eat gummy bears and twinkies on a daily basis? Of course, I mean any other “junk” foods, ice cream, cake, donuts, etc.

How much of your diet is made up of “junk” foods?[/quote]

I eat ice cream every day. I eat some chocolate most days. I hit the chinese food buffet for 4 rounds of s&s pork sometimes once a week with a trip to Denny’s for a lumberjack breakfast every weekend. If I don’t do this I get too lean (for my liking and for my health) unless I cut back on activity. ‘Junk food’ is not inherently bad. Living a life of overindulgence and under-activity and not understanding your own body’s nutritional requirements is what is the problem.

When I go on backpacking trips I bring as much nutella and snickers (and protein) as I can carry because that is what I need as fuel. When I am at home with an injury and idle I eat very little sugar. [/quote]

Interesting. You feel the ice cream, chocolate, snickers, etc, helps you better than, say, oatmeal, rice, etc?

Honest question, not to be rude.[/quote]

Yes I do. I eat ice cream just before I work out when I want something that will give me energy fast without filling my stomach with food. I eat the chocolate in the afternoon at work when I need to calm my hunger down quickly. I eat snickers when I’m backpacking because I need sugar immediately.

Oatmeal has it’s place for breakfast but you can’t easily eat a crap load of bulky oatmeal while climbing. Same with rice.

The s&s pork could be replaced by something better (perhaps) but it’s tasty and it isn’t really hurting me either. Nothing at all wrong with a good greasy breakfast after a 10k run.

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Well, I was wrong. People are meant to eat anything that is edible.

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There are vitamins and minerals etc in food more so in fruit, vegetables, and flesh. We need certain amounts of said nutrients to live optimally. The foods that provide these nutrients are meant to eat. Cupcakes don’t grow out of the ground or swim in the sea and coincidentally have little nutritional value and help you die quicker.

We’re all concerned with calories and gi value and not nutrients. I believe virtually all disease is a lack of certain nutrients. We’re MEANT TO EAT whatever we have adapted to thus far. So, foods that were available 1,000, 10,000, or 100,000 years ago are okay. These would be fruit, veges, nuts, flesh, water and some other random shit. End of discussion.

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
There are vitamins and minerals etc in food more so in fruit, vegetables, and flesh. We need certain amounts of said nutrients to live optimally. The foods that provide these nutrients are meant to eat. Cupcakes don’t grow out of the ground or swim in the sea and coincidentally have little nutritional value and help you die quicker.

We’re all concerned with calories and gi value and not nutrients. I believe virtually all disease is a lack of certain nutrients. We’re MEANT TO EAT whatever we have adapted to thus far. So, foods that were available 1,000, 10,000, or 100,000 years ago are okay. These would be fruit, veges, nuts, flesh, water and some other random shit. End of discussion. [/quote]

So having a single cupcake would negate your entire micronutrient intake for the day?

You’d be hard pressed to find someone here recommending eating NOTHING but processed candy, cupcakes, etc…especially in this thread.

What we have in this thread is one group of people recommending moderation and a rational approach and another group essentially saying NO YOU CAN ONLY EAT SUPER PALEO NATURAL FOODS BECAUSE THATS WHAT WE WERE MEANT (by who? by the way) TO EAT AND EATING ANY PROCESSED INDUSTRIALIZED FOOD WILL END YOUR LIFE!

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
We’re MEANT TO EAT whatever we have adapted to thus far. So, foods that were available 1,000, 10,000, or 100,000 years ago are okay. These would be fruit, veges, nuts, flesh, water and some other random shit. End of discussion. [/quote]

LMAO…what’s the point of a multi-page thread, when it just comes back to this? We weren’t meant to eat anything but those 5 things and some stuff you have deemed as “other random shit”

So funny.

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Do we get to pick what our “other random shit” is? Or does the high paleo council decide that for everyone?

If we get to choose our own, I’m totally picking pizza. Oh, and oreos.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
We’re MEANT TO EAT whatever we have adapted to thus far. So, foods that were available 1,000, 10,000, or 100,000 years ago are okay. These would be fruit, veges, nuts, flesh, water and some other random shit. End of discussion. [/quote]

LMAO…what’s the point of a multi-page thread, when it just comes back to this? We weren’t meant to eat anything but those 5 things and some stuff you have deemed as “other random shit”

So funny. [/quote]

What do you suggest eating? Eat anything because our bodies have the ability to break it down? Why do you eat? To keep that impressive physique?

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
There are vitamins and minerals etc in food more so in fruit, vegetables, and flesh. We need certain amounts of said nutrients to live optimally. The foods that provide these nutrients are meant to eat. Cupcakes don’t grow out of the ground or swim in the sea and coincidentally have little nutritional value and help you die quicker.

We’re all concerned with calories and gi value and not nutrients. I believe virtually all disease is a lack of certain nutrients. We’re MEANT TO EAT whatever we have adapted to thus far. So, foods that were available 1,000, 10,000, or 100,000 years ago are okay. These would be fruit, veges, nuts, flesh, water and some other random shit. End of discussion. [/quote]

So having a single cupcake would negate your entire micronutrient intake for the day?

You’d be hard pressed to find someone here recommending eating NOTHING but processed candy, cupcakes, etc…especially in this thread.

What we have in this thread is one group of people recommending moderation and a rational approach and another group essentially saying NO YOU CAN ONLY EAT SUPER PALEO NATURAL FOODS BECAUSE THATS WHAT WE WERE MEANT (by who? by the way) TO EAT AND EATING ANY PROCESSED INDUSTRIALIZED FOOD WILL END YOUR LIFE![/quote]

Did I say having a single cupcake would negate your entire micronutrient intake for the day?
No, but it doesn’t help. Did I say either eat perfect live foods only or complete shit only? What do you think people were meant to eat? We’re meant to survive and procreate. We evolve over time to do this better. You should eat to meet these goals.

Moderation is fine if you want to be average. If not, eat to meet your goals.

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
What do you suggest eating? Eat anything because our bodies have the ability to break it down? Why do you eat? To keep that impressive physique?

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Maybe you should read the thread, to see my point of view on what we were “meant” to eat.

And of course, what we were “meant” to eat, and what we should eat for optimal body composition are two different things (in some cases). But if you read the thread you’d see how I made that point repeatedly.

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

Did I say having a single cupcake would negate your entire micronutrient intake for the day?
No, but it doesn’t help. Did I say either eat perfect live foods only or complete shit only?
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Well…actually…

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Moderation is fine if you want to be average. If not, eat to meet your goals.
[/quote]

Yeah, you did.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
What do you suggest eating? Eat anything because our bodies have the ability to break it down? Why do you eat? To keep that impressive physique?

[/quote]

Maybe you should read the thread, to see my point of view on what we were “meant” to eat.

And of course, what we were “meant” to eat, and what we should eat for optimal body composition are two different things (in some cases). But if you read the thread you’d see how I made that point repeatedly. [/quote]

I know what you’re saying. I just think that technology has sped past our evolution. We’re all speculating what we should eat. Some make the point that 500 years ago we didn’t have much but the typical hunter/gather food sources. I don’t think we are designed to deviate far from that diet just yet. Over time we will be better at digesting and using today’s prevalent diet.

We weren’t obese 500 years ago, but we may have been malnourished at the same time. Like I said, we need to eat for the nutrients we need. Some junk here and there ain’t gonna kill ya especially if you’re active.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

And of course, what we were “meant” to eat, and what we should eat for optimal body composition are two different things (in some cases). But if you read the thread you’d see how I made that point repeatedly. [/quote]

Bingo bango.

All we can hope for is a best compromise in my opinion.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

Did I say having a single cupcake would negate your entire micronutrient intake for the day?
No, but it doesn’t help. Did I say either eat perfect live foods only or complete shit only?
[/quote]

Well…actually…

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Moderation is fine if you want to be average. If not, eat to meet your goals.
[/quote]

Yeah, you did.[/quote]

Nooooo. How is eat to meet your goals dividing a line between quality and poor quality foods?
The better food sources you eat, the better you feel/perform. I like to feel and look good. If you want to just get by then just get by. Do whatcha want.