Nordic Blood: Climbing And Lifting / Lifting And Climbing

I don’t think my experiment should reflect at all on the efficacy or lack thereof on the system. I’ve hodge-podged it from being a lurker on the boards+thibarmy that takes notes.

I have some vague ideas as to how to program it into acc/int-phases, ideas on volume/intensiveness reduction during a deload and how much assistance that can benefit me.

Whenever I do anything with pauses though it helps my motor learning a lot. And frequency of practice is obviously important when something is treated as a skill.


I’ll write out some more details later if someone is interested, otherwise I guess I’ll just start logging come sep 1

1 Like

That’s the bit I’m more excited about. Be good to see how this pans out man

I did this exact kind of training when doing crossfit, just the three main days. Super rapid increase in strength

1 Like

I created the committed2020 tag. Also, accidentally created the vomitted tag…

1 Like

It’ll be cool to see how it works out. I feel I have a pretty decent grasp of how many sets, progression models, etcetera. It’ll be fun to put some reverse engineering into practice. I wouldn’t have done this if it wasn’t for the combination of squat ails, your tip, and change in climbing days. Stars align and what not.

1 Like

Yeah, I think you just created the vomitted tag. Which is cool and all, but maybe not something you want tagged to your log.

2 Likes

Seems my edit from last night didn’t stick :confused:

1 Like

@anna_5588 this is for you.

I don’t know if you tend to read the articles I link, I know that sometimes you’ve read forum pieces, but it seems more earnest if I put it into words what it is I want to tell you rather than have you go read it somewhere else. If anything else, there’s some benefit in me being able to highlight the things I want you to note.

It’s in regards to overtraining, and overreaching.

This might not seem like my voice though, because overall it isn’t (yet). It’s a collection of notes on what I’ve dug up on overreaching and overtraining recently and so it hasn’t been “composed” and remixed yet to be more “me”.

Unfortunately, I believe you have a lot of fatigue masking your fitness, so I honestly do not know how well this applies because the “norm” to which you compare isn’t a decent baseline of comparison as I imagine your point of reference is related to an already fatigued state.

First I try to paint a picture, it’s not meant to scare you, and then I talk about a lo-fi way to evaluate your recovery and this is something you need to get better at.

I’m going to list some of the common signs of overreaching. These words are not mine. I recall that a few of these apply to you, and your day-to-day descriptions of how you are feeling.

  • Loss of “pop” when trainig. Meaning that weights that’d ordinarily be lifted with a clean and crisp execution now take a little longer to complete. Limit strength may decrease. Volume tolerance may have declined.
  • Difficulty in elevating your heart rate (Personally, I’ve had this in a really bad way reaching a peak heartrate of 40 BPM on limit climbs…)
  • Feeling of simultaneous tightness and stiffness, or tendon discomfort. This may dissapate after the first few eccentric motions on any set — particularily the tendon discomfort (I have this right now :see_no_evil:)
  • Delayed onset muscle and tendon soreness that persists. (I have this at the moment) This may be triggered even by low volume or low intensity training. Might be accompanied by the somatic sense of being heavy.
  • Changes in appetite (I see this with you often) and fluctuations in bodyweight (this too)
  • Mental fuzziness and loss of focus during training

The above are the first telltale signs. Here are the signs of actively being overtrained.

  • All of the above symptoms, conceivably increased in severity.
  • Loss of motivation in and outside of the gym (we’ve seen this with you recently)
  • General loss of focus
  • Sleep distrubances
  • Mood-related issues or general irritability
  • Persistent feeling of fatigue (i.e., you wanting to stay in bed)
  • Loss of libido

Overtraining takes many weeks or even months to recover from (Autonomic imbalance hypothesis and overtraining syndrome - PubMed Autonomic imbalance hypothesis and overtraining syndrome - PubMed)

As a rule of thumb, if you sense that your motivation to train and general health status is declining, i.e., you simply don’t feel well from the stress of training (or life stress), force-feeding (i.e., your appetite is low — which I know you recently remarked that it was) then chances are you’ll not be making good progress.

Don’t be a victim of your own ambition!

:arrow_up: @Bagsy that might apply to you too.

Albeit “common sense,” the ability to auto-regulate in this way can be easily be obscured by drive and determination to progress, or not regress, or because we have mental demons that we battle (something you @anna_5588 and I share).

Depending on how recovered you are, that should drive the expectations for your performance.
As I wrote in @Bagsy s log,

  • Well-recovered: expect improved performance.
  • Moderately or somewhat recovered: expect similar performance.
  • Somewhat tired, or very poorly recovered, expect declined performance.

For those that can, it seems as if a dedicated calendar duration (usually a “deload” week) isn’t necessary and it might be adeqaute to employ autoregulation on a per session basis. Some reduction in training stress is necessary. This can be through reducing either, or a combination of,

  • volume,
  • intensity,
  • type of set (cluster, straight),
  • the inclusion/exclusion of intensification techniques (forced reps, negatives, drop sets), etc.
  • training frequency

I read a lot of training programs. The ones that are successful seem to have picked up on the fact that the people that seek them out generally tend to have too much vigor and zeal to help but silence their inner voice telling them to slow down. I believe this is why they employ scheduled deloads. Meadows programs do this. Fortitute Training does this. DoggCrapp does this. 531 does this. Success leaves clues

FT actually encourages intra-session autoregulation and still includes a scheduled deload.


Lastly, it’s amazing how strong you’ve (@anna_5588) gotten despite all of the things that you do that lies anathema to recovery but I think this shows you have a good predisposition toward being strong, that you have great technique, etcetera. I do not believe that all that you do feeds the progress that you’ve had.

(@Bagsy, while I originally set out to write this for Anna, you might enjoy reading it too)

2 Likes

Thanks so much for all the thoughtful advice. I took the last two days off and feel a lot better now.
School starts today and not only are classes harder, I’m also starting a new research project (on top of my 2 other RA positions) so I’ll be really busy.

This sometimes happens on cardio stuff, but I’ve found that my HR spikes unusually for lifting - makes me feel out of shape :sweat_smile:

Turns out I was just bored. I started really getting into research/class prep over the weekend and wasn’t in the slightest tempted to watch Netflix or even scroll Tnation (still tired though)

I concur. I’m basically built to deadlift and squat. I also used to have a reputation of being scary and beating ppl up even though I was one of the smallest ppl in the class and never beat anyone up :woman_shrugging:

1 Like

A friend wanted to hit the gym yesterday. Doesn’t really fit my new schedule so I just did fluff stuff while coaching his form. I have the worst trap DOMS I’ve ever had. And it’s from face pulls. Could be because I was using weights heavy enough that I had to lean back with my entire body to even initiate the pull. It’s a weird movement to have strength in, and I suppose the reason I have strength in it is from climbing.

1 Like

Thank you, a nice write-up for sure.

1 Like

Tuesday, 2020-09-01

Committed Week 1, Day 1 committed2020

Weight: 76.6 kg

Climbing

Indoor lead
6a
6b (+?)
6c, two falls. One slip of the feet and one grip gave out

Indoor Bouldering
Just messed about on some routes I’ve completed previously and worked on a problem I have yet to solve

~2hrs

Felt pretty good going in but got a mad pump from the 6c. It should probably be graded as a 7a. Didn’t sleep great so it was nice to be so energetic despite that. Also did some yard work and light running earlier in the day.

2 Likes

That’s some good climbing man. How long have you been doing it for?

A year and a half. Two finger injuries thus far that I imagine have held me back somewhat.

Wednesday (Isometric), 2020-09-02

Committed Week 1, Day 2, committed2020

Weight: 76.1kg

AM
1600m jog, unplanned, doing errand

PM

Squat, pause 1/3rd of the way down and at parallel, 3 work sets
50
55
60, final warm-up set
65
67
70

Bench, pause 1/3rd of the way down and just above chest, 3 work sets
Bar
40
50
60

Deadlift, two three second pauses, one below knee, one slightly above. 3 work sets
70
90
100
110

Hack squat 8-10, 2 work sets
50
80
100
120 (8F)

Back extension 8-10, 2 work sets
10
15
15 (F)

Random handstands and handstand walks and stretching during cool down, some cartwheeling and cossack squats for warmups


Other notes: my planned weights for bench was 42, 44, 45. Evidently I could go much heavier. My target for deadlifts was 81, 85, 87 and could evidently go heavier. This was a bit too heavy, but I was scrounging for plates. Which, incidentally, is why I ended up doing heavier benches as well.

The weights for the squat was on point though.

Some thoughts on yesterday. Pauses are really educational and italics are a poor way to format warm-up sets :slight_smile:

Pauses are so educational, in fact, that I see some appeal to (if/when) I return to lift-dedicated days to do the main lift as assistance but with a tempo progression.

Either one of these progressions would work,

Took a walk around the lake this morning, already at 12k steps and I have errands to run downtown and a planned (casual) swimming, bubble pool, sauna session scheduled for this evening. A very active off-day in other words.

1 Like

Today’s second observation. Bought a skateboard and took it to the swimming lane. I have no quads despite having had a 140kg Squat and damn skateboarders must have legs. And balls.

1 Like

Thursday, 2020-09-03

Committed Week 1, Day 3, committed2020

Weight: 76.7kg

Today was meant to be an off-day, but 17.6k steps because a walk around the lake with a friend (refreshing). Biking downtown (errands). Going to the swimming hall by skateboard (which I purchased and started learning to ride today). Swam a few lanes (not part of my step count). Spent the majority of the time in the bubble pool and sauna. Skateboard back home.

Skateboarders must a hell of a unilateral difference with their quads. That shit was tough, maintaining a quarter squat while you kick…

Will eat something extra to compensate.

1 Like

I uses to skateboard (longboard) everywhere in highschool. 100% had a noticeably larger quad on one side, and calf on the other from pushing. Started doing pistols and 1-leg calf raises to compensate on the weaker side, and now that I don’t use my ‘board anymore it’s back to normal.

I’m thinking that since I’m learning as an adult I might as well suck it up and alternate between the two sides. Like learning to play the guitar with both hands. I’m not in a hurry to get good.

1 Like