Nordic Blood: Climbing And Lifting / Lifting And Climbing

Having nothing better to do, with me being sick and all, leaves some room for introspection. Here are two things I’ve noticed in the last 4 months.

Firstly, I really enjoy hitting the gym often. Even though I trained before the start of my transformation, I wasn’t doing it frequently. Back then, it was more like three times a week, and I missed training sessions and excuses for that. At the start of my diet I followed the Best Damn Workout (The Best Damn Workout Plan For Natural Lifters) and I never missed a session. I like training frequency, but simultaneously I lose focus more often than not if a workout exceeds 80 minutes. 40-60 minutes is better for me. Training four times a week seems to be as low as I can go, I have to train more than 50% of the days, otherwise, I get caught out of the habit.

Secondly, I love big lifts. Best damn was great, I could build up my recovery rate, and diet really hard without it impacting my performance too negatively (I really wish I had started my log back then, woe is me the things that I got away with - like no carbs during a workout! Or just 30g intraworkout), but I find it a lot more fun to go hard and heavy on the compound lifts and felt out of place doing rear delt lateral raises seeing as I’m so weak.

Looking at my future plans, it’s really easy to see that what I’ve written above is truly what I’m drawn to. As I’ve mentioned earlier, after my diet I want to get on Built for Battle, with the intent of running the 12-week variant, but I’ll wait and see how it feels after the first 3 weeks. After that program, I do not have anything in particular planned but I do have plenty of ideas. I’ve left what comes after intentionally unplanned to leave room for some spontaneity and responding to where I am at then rather than where I think I’ll be. With that said, after 9-12 weeks of a caloric surplus it is likely I’ll want to run a mini-cut after that.

Why Built for Battle? This is just a combination of the two things that I just mentioned, I like to train often (5 days a week) and most of the workouts are nothing but big, compound lifts. I see a lot of appeal in doing my main lifts as often as possible for the skill aspect, I still consider myself “weak” and I hope that there is room to progress by doing the lifts with a high frequency to further the neurological adaptations.

So, what comes after, given these two qualities that I enjoy? Well, I have several programs in my crosshairs: “40 day program” (The 40-Day Program), “Simple, Guaranteed, Strength and Size”, and “Look Like a Bodybuilder Perform Like An Athlete” (7 days a week for me is definitely reaching, which I learned during ALAS, so when that time comes I want to have some extra spare time. Maybe next summer vacation)

Although, ultimately, I’ll want to find or design something that is a bit more balanced (contains some conditioning, has more room to address my weaknesses) and will continue to work for me using some minor tweaks regardless of what phase I’m in. But that is further down the line I think. Maybe 5/3/1.

But, maybe someone more experienced than myself can weigh on the merits of such programming for a veritable weakling like myself (just shy of a 2xBW DL, just at a 1xBW BP, a really bad squat, and a shitty OHP)

Wouldn’t say more than I though I would, but I want to be as lean as I comfortably can in the off-season, at this point I feel that is about 2-3 kilos lower than my current weight so that’s what I’m aiming for.

Three weeks is just a limit I set for myself so I don’t “accidentally” slip into a full-blown diet

Ah, so it is that side of the coin, I see. Deficit? 700-1k? Do you view those 2-3 kilos as 2-3 kilos times 9000 kcal or do you take into account the water that fat carries as well?

Probably around 900-1K in a deficit, haven’t put the diet together yet.

I don’t really think that much in numbers (apart from diet of course), for me it doesn’t matter wether I’ve lost 2.5 kilos of fat and some water or 2 kilos of fat and a bit more water, the end result and the look is what I’m interested in

Makes sense :slight_smile:

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Build your big basics up first; find out what us the best way for you to perform those movements. You may be able to add significant amount of load to your squat just by altering your technique.

Then, after you’ve made sure there are no flaws in your execution and you’ve gained some strength across the board you’ll actually be able to say what your weaknesses are. Of course if you have a glaring weakness at the moment you can and should adress it.

@MarkKO, @littlesleeper, @mortdk and @Frank_C can probably give you some ideas about programming from different points of view

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I’m late to your log but what is your #1 goal/priority? You have to answer that and then plan accordingly. You can’t hope to add muscle, cut fat, add strength, improve skill, etc all at the same time. You end up putting forth mediocre effort towards all of those things instead of pursuing one with everything you’ve got.

You keep saying you’re weak so I’m guessing your strength is your main goal right now. If that’s the case, then I suggest Simple Guaranteed Strength & Size. You do the same lifts on each upper and lower body day for 12 weeks. That takes care of the skill part. It also has a good, steady progression and you’ll add weight to the bar if you do it right.

I ran the program once I was released from my hip surgery. It gave me a slow, methodical progression which kept me restrained instead of jumping right into heavy lifting. I shared this with lava a few weeks ago and I posted a review of my experience as well.

I don’t think I have written it down, as my priorities shift. At this very moment, the focus is on cutting fat, which I am having a fairly good go at. This will remain my #1 priority for (at least) the next 5 weeks. Afterward, my goal will shift. Ultimately, my goal is to look, feel, and perform well and continue to do so for years and decades.

At the moment, I believe that after the diet ends I should become stronger in my main lifts, and enjoy the mass that follows along with that, before pursuing more traditional hypertrophy work as I believe I will be able to get more out of hypertrophy work once I am stronger in general.

However, with that said, I’ll throw out this hypothetical to better set the stage for a continued dialogue: You either get to gain strength or you get to gain mass I would go with the latter.

During all the waking hours that I’m not in the gym, I’m more motivated to change my appearance towards a more lean, more muscular body and in the gym I tend to focus more on performance (was I better than last time in some regard, more reps, heavier weight, shorter rest, et cetera.)

That plan is on the agenda, I found it through your postings on Lava’s log actually. As to when I run it, that is still undecided. I think one thing that will weigh in heavily is how I fare on my current program which is 4x a week. I might need a “break” and go with at least 5 weekly sessions (hence Built for Battle).

I appreciate that you stopped by the log!

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Keep dropping by my log. I’m running SGSS again and I just changed it to a 6 day a week program. I want to make sure I add some muscle to my chest and shoulders so I split the upper body day into a push and pull day so I could add more volume.

There’s a chance I could have less than optimal results since I’ve added volume but I think I can handle it. I just started my first week of the 6 day a week plan. I’ve planned for 3 sets of everything on days 1-3 and 5 sets on days 4-6. I might just keep it at 3 sets per session for the added volume though. I felt like I had a good session today for back. Time is also a factor. The leg workout took right at an hour and today’s session was 35 minutes. I could add to it and still be under an hour though.

Based on what you’ve said I think you’ll find my journey intriguing at the very least.

I think Built for Battle is a good program for this goal.

It’s hard to have one without the other. Increased strength is the result of increased muscle mass, neural efficiency, and improved skill/technique. Traditional hypertrophy training will focus on muscle mass while neglecting the other two. Traditional strength training (high intensity, low volume) will hit the latter two but miss the first one a bit. The reality is that if you eat at a surplus and stimulate your muscles then they will grow.

Whether you go with the high intensity approach or focus more on time under tension (hypertrophy approach) is up to you and your psychological profile. I’ll be 34 next month and I’ve been hitting the gym consistently since I was 17 (I know, I should be bigger and stronger). I still try new programs because I’m still learning. You might find that you bounce back and forth from strength focused plans to hypertrophy plans throughout the year because you want variety and it keeps your joints healthy. But you won’t know until you try different things. The good news is that you can still see progress regardless of which path you take as long as you work hard.

Hey man I’m a bit late to the party here as well.
Just read the convo with Maier.
If losing fat is the goal at the moment, then it’s about diet.
When I’m about to lean out I know I will run the Darkhorse program again.
It’s stupid hard and turns you into a sweating peace of meat at the end of every workout.
I think if you combine that with maintenance calories you’ll lean out a lot in 9 weeks.
And probably be a little stronger.

It’s all going to come down to what you want to achieve. How you train doesn’t really matter provided you’re consistent and it’s aligned with your goals. I think the main thing is to have a realistic timeframe and commit to that. Proper technique is always a must as well.

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Interesting, I’ll do that will do chief!

Maybe, but I already have a program for this goal. @danteism brought you all in here in response to a post that was regarding the future - after my diet has ended.

I first read T-nation when I was 16, so by the same token, I should as well. But life, excuses, and so on. We can only make do with where we are, not where we could’ve been.

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Noted for the next diet. I am on a diet already and having fair success at it. As I mentioned to @Frank_C just now, @danteism brought you all into this log in reference to a post that regarded my future plans.

Saturday, 18th of August 2018

Weight: 76.1 (-0.9kg)
Sleep: >9 hours. Maybe 10.

Still not well enough to hit the gym (with that said, today is supposed to be a rest day but since I missed a session yesterday I was feeling inclined to go in and do the movement that I missed (Deadlifts + BP) albeit just lighter but no, not well enough for that and it’s kinda dickish towards the other people that go to the same gym).

Yesterday’s calories: >2055 (170p/115c/86f)
Today’s plan: 1793 (180p/73c/79f)

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Great transformation!

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Finally in for this! I’d like to echo the comment above, that’s an incredible transformation. Great job my dude

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Welcome, glad to have you!

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Sunday, 12th of August 2018

Weight: 75.3kg (-0.8kg). Target weight was 77.1kg
Sleep: ~8 hours

  • Weight: 75.3 kg
  • Shoulders: 117.5 cm (+1.5cm)
  • (Lower) Waist: 79 cm (-1cm)
  • Chest: 94.5 cm (-0.5cm)
  • Arm: 30.5 cm (-2.5cm :scream_cat:)
  • Neck: 36 cm (this measurement has been 37 forever, surprised to see a change here)
  • Calf: 35 cm (-1cm)
  • Thigh: 55 cm (-1cm)


Didn’t notice how shitty the lighting was until I uploaded this, sorry

Looks pretty similar to last week but subjectively as far as pinching goes the love handles are slowly going away

Goddamn, my shoulders rotate inward quite a lot. No real visual change beyond the haircut.

Starting to see two more abs than last time. There is a lot less to pinch underneath the belly button than last week.


Weekly meal plan:

Pre-workout (233 calories, 12.4p, 44c, 0.5f)

  • 45g maltodextrin (+10g from last week)
  • 16g whey
  • 6-8g sea salt
  • 5g Cinnamon

Intra-workout (323 calories, 39p, 43c, 0f)

  • 45g maltodextrin (+5g)
  • 40g BCAA
  • 6-8g sea salt

Post-workout/Breakfast (356 calories, 54p, 25c, 3f)

  • 100g blueberries
  • 100g pineapple
  • 1 scoop whey
  • 1 scoop casein

Lunch (461 calories, 47.5p, 17.5c, 19.5f)

  • 8g Omega-3s
  • 200g ground chicken
  • 300g frozen vegetable mix

Dinner A (Monday, Thursday, Friday) (433 calories, 28p, 19c, 24f)

  • 6g Omega-3s
  • 3 eggs
  • 300g frozen vegetable mix
  • 2 tbsp apple cider vinegar

Dinner B (Tuesday) (433 calories, 40p, 21c, 17.5f)

  • 6g Omega-3s
  • 250g cottage cheese
  • 300g frozen vegetable mix

Dinner C (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday) (451 calories, 21p, 18c, 16f)

  • 140g salmon
  • 300g frozen vegetable mix
  • 2 tbsp apple cider vinegar

Pre-bed snack (479 calories, 35p, 32c, 22f)

  • 25g almonds
  • 5g glycine
  • 10g gelatine
  • 40g olives
  • 100g quark 0.2%
  • 100g saurkraut + a probiotic.
  • 2 tbsp apple cider vinegar
  • 1 tbsp psyllium husks
  • 15g rye oats (-15g to have more carbs for peri-workout)
  • 5g cinnamon

Monday: 2220 calories, 215p, 169c, 69f
Tuesday: 2224 calories, 227p, 170c, 62f
Wednesday: 1857 calories, 180p, 55c, 94f (no peri-workout nutrition, replaced with 5 eggs, one scoop of casein mid-afternoon. And, 3 passionfruits with my pre-bed snack)
Thursday: 2220 calories, 215p, 169c, 69f
Friday: 2220 calories, 215p, 169c, 69f
Saturday: Similar to Wednesday. Might omit pre-bed rye-oats.
Sunday: Like Wednesday.


Thoughts going into the week: I’ve noticed that I’ve started being a wee-bit more lenient, which is a bad thing, meaning that if we look at Thursday for instance, I snuck in a banana. And this weekend, I ate off-plan (I updated it intra-day though). And then for instance, I could have a meal planned, “I’m going to eat this”, and have it cooked and ready and then I snuck on some pickles and some point cabbage (which to be fair doesn’t add a lot of calories) but still I find it somewhat indicative of my hunger taking over and that my willpower lost that battle. That I lost that battle. I’ve also snuck in a grape or two after lunch (we have grapes at the office) and so forth.


Point cabbage and pickles. Yum!

Still haven’t had a refeed yet during this diet, I guess. I did eat some extra stuff in the night when I was a couple of hours into the fever. But maybe there will be a need for one soon. There is a trade-off, obviously. I’ll hold off on it until I feel as if the risk is that I’ll slip into a binge but I haven’t had that happen to me and I believe that I possess that amount of control.

Secondly, I want to go climbing on Tuesday, hence the cottage cheese meal. Last time I actually had that for lunch instead, and the lunch for dinner. Worked out okay although I snuck in some goji berries and the like which probably added 100-200 calories to the meal so, going to keep that as a dinner meal this time and bring the cottage cheese to the wall where there aren’t any berries and seeds.

Will probably climb on Friday for lunch with a few coworkers as well so I might grab a ricecake before that to have some energy on the wall.


Training-wise I’m continuing with 6WTS and I’ll get on week two even though I had to skip one session this week and one session wasn’t really following the program. I’d say I had like 60% adherence. I could get a training effect from repeating week 1 but I also think I can take the work in week 2 just the same and not get caught off schedule.

Ankle is feeling fine. Still a bit tender in a few ligaments I noticed while foam rolling the front of my lower legs but I’ve done a few vertical jumps pain-free.


Lastly, I’ll go without HOT ROX this week. My quantity and quality of sleep has been bad for a while now, I want to reduce the amount of caffeine I take in substantially. Might still enjoy a cup of green tea or a cup of coffee in the AM every day a few hours after my workout but that will be the grand sum of my caffeine intake.

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There are so many thoughts that popped into my head while reading this but I won’t bombard you with it all LOL!

I can’t help myself on this one though—you’re being super hard on myself. Eating a banana and a few grapes is off track? C’mon, man! Hitting the pizza buffet is off track (which I might do later today). You’re doing awesome!

In regards to your shoulders rolling forward—I disagree. They look fine in the next picture from the front. Stand sideways again and pull your shoulders back to the position that you think they should be in. I bet it looks and feels awkward.

Rather than worry about posture I suggest you just try to add some mass to your rear delts after you finish cutting. You can obviously still give them extra attention while in a deficit. Adding some mass to the back of the shoulder might make it appear more in line with your spine and if your posture is an issue then it will help fix it.

Keep grinding away!

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Please do share. The best part of this log has been interacting with you all.

I understand that it sounds crazy. Because it is. Or I am. :thinking: To put it into perspective though I am, historically, very much of an all-or-nothing guy. Hence, I view it as a precursor for something that could be derailing.

Thanks, boss. I do tend to pull my shoulders back more than I do in the pictures but in them I try to be a bit more relaxed. I could go even more relaxed but that means hunching.

You too mate, make yourself suffer at the pizza buffet by eating a ton :slight_smile: Love pizza buffets.

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