For sure, I mean, you are spending some two minutes, conceivably more on a route (especially if there’s a crux). So, 1 kilo isn’t much but becomes quite the penalty when your “set” is that long. Everytime you are on a bad hold, and clipping with your other hand, it really fatigues out the grip. Everytime you have to pull, rather than use your legs, the fatigue accumulates.
I experienced this with the 10k swings challenge… terrible
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Wednesday 2020-10-08
77.4 kg
| Exercise | Set | Reps | Weight | Rest | Tempo | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| A. Deadlift | -3 | 10 | 60 | short | Normal | |
| -2 | 6 | 90 | short | |||
| -1 | 4 | 130 | moderate | |||
| 0 | 1 | 140 | moderate | |||
| 1 | 3 | 145 | 3-5m (work sets) | |||
| 2 | 3 | 145 | ||||
| 3 | 3 | 145 | ||||
| 4 | 3 | 145 | ||||
| 5 | 7 | 145 | ||||
| B. Log Press | 1 | 10 | 5/s | 2-3m | Normal | |
| 2 | 10 | 5/s | ||||
| 3 | 10 | 5/s | Not to failure, improvement! | |||
| C1. T-bar Row | 1 | 15 | 40 | 60-90s | ||
| 2 | 15 | 40 | ||||
| 3 | 22 | 40 | 9 reps improvement | |||
| C2. Belt Squat | 1 | 12 | 60 | Feet elevated: no | ||
| 2 | 20 | 80 | Feet elevated: 2 plates, need more | |||
| D. Tire flips | 1 | 80 | 80 | This exercise demands sleeves |
Fun. Those 20 reps at 80 for the belt squat wanted me to quit at 12, so it’s probably a bit too heavy for when I elevate my feet further come Monday.
I was thinking about the press yesterday, and mulling over whether or not it is a mistake to always return to a rack-position/clavicle on each rep. That range of motion is the weakest by far, and since there is some carry-over outside the ROM one trains it’d be prudent to after the first rep return down to trachea level, or maybe even chin level.
Looking at Kroc here, the ROM is significantly shy of returning to the start position,
@Cyrrex @T3hPwnisher any merit to this kind of thinking?
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@T3hPwnisher is this the video you beat Kroc on?
I think with the bar he is using there, coming down in the rack might be a bit tougher anyway.
But that said, my own opinion is that if you AT LEAST come down below the chin and around the trachea level, then it’s a good rep. Beyond that, it depends. Like with any lift, if you are doing a high number of reps, you can get an advantage from a bit of bump-and-go if you come down and tap it against your clavicle area. But if you are going heavy, going all the way down might be a net negative if that is your weak point (which it probably is for most people). Also, I would never let it rest in the rack position after a rep, unless I am trying to nut up for a last, desperate rep.
So my advice is to just make sure you go at least down to where Kroc went. What you do beyond that depends on what works best for you in the situation you are in.
Surely that depends on the reason you are pressing?
Also, re-reviewing Kroc’s stuff up there, most of those do not go down low enough for my taste. I mean, it is still impressive at 200 pounds, but only like the first one or two go low enough if we are being super picky.
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Well, to be fair, I was thinking that there is merit to sometimes cut reps short in this way. Not as a general rule. And this is in the context of lifting heavier in the press, so it’s not a hypertrophy/strength dichotomy. I know that CT for instance has said that if hypertrophy is the goal chin level is where he’d return.
My thinking was in part informed by the strength carry-over outside of the ROM which was trained and also that it’d serve to overload things that aren’t yet overloaded by the weights you are pushing. So in a sense, we are piggybacking off of the utility that say a push press or axle press might have as supplementary exercises for the press.
Challenging the wrists, the core, and so on, allowing you to practice maintaining the pressure that you’d need to press that weight more properly later.
Again, not as a general rule, but maybe alternate now and again. 3 weeks super strict, 3 weeks a bit more lax but heavier.
So essentially turn it into a more relaxed version of a pin press?
I mean, plenty of people say pin presses have value, I assume this would have similar value.
I suppose? My ego would not allow me to pin press with my weights but being a bit cheeky with ROM, certainly. If it makes me stronger in the long term.
This sentence confuses me.
Seems like you missed an s there. Maybe this’ll paint the right picture. Imagine your bench press 1RM is 60. Then doing board presses would just feel silly. Apply that “logic” here.
Anything that makes you stronger…makes you stronger.
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That’s just fat fingers quoting on my phone.
Agreed 100%
So in your above example, your solution would be to pretend that you weren’t doing board presses, just half bench presses?
I’m noticing in myself an ability to give advice on simple, time proven approaches to training while at the same time complicating and overthinking my own training at every turn. I am not practising what I preach.
Precisely. Okay with working as an animal with slightly reduced ROM. Not okay with starting from pins (yet)
I still don’t understand your thought process, but whatever works for you.
It’s not entirely rational… anyway, for me, pressing wise, I can feel that core support and wrist stability are upcoming issues and I figured this could be an avenue in the future to start challenging both those qualities. Not a card to play just yet though. Another approach might just be to do log presses heavy for a while. That reduced the ROM, but doesn’t challenge the wrist in the same way.
I think I probably need to bow out of this one then, for 3 reasons:
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You’ve already admitted it isn’t rational. I don’t like trying to reason people out of positions they didn’t reason themselves into.
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I’m not noticeably stronger than you at pressing so my advice is suspect.
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Once you start talking about wrist stability, I don’t have any kind of handle on what we’re talking about. That’s way, way outside my wheelhouse to the point that I can’t even visualise in my head what a lack of wrist stability would look like.
It just feels weak. I don’t know. I should’ve been more energetic when I posted this discourse up. Sorry I couldn’t help you help but glad you stopped by, as always
No drama. I think you got the gist of my opinion anyway and as mentioned above, I’m not convinced I’m in a position to be offering advice anyway.