I know this has been discussed many times and that everyone is sick of reading about pro-steroid/hormone stuff but I was thinking, since some of us still have a little stock pile of MAG-10, I’m looking for a little feedback from you guys. In the past I have always used Alpha Male as PCT and it’s worked fine but it’s now $50 a bottle which is only about enough for one post cycle. To me, thats kind of expensive considering you can buy MAG-10 for not too much more then that if you look in the right places.
So to get to my point, using Nolva instead would save a pile of money. Please correct me if I am wrong but I figured 60-80mg first day and 15-20mg/ED thereafter would be sufficient for a post 2-week cycle. Since many people have said that Nolva is major overkill as PCT for MAG-10, the low end of that dosing or maybe even less should get the job done. So say we’re gonna do back to back 2-week cycles, we would need at the most 340mg for a single post cycle. At $45 for 1500mg, we could get 4-5 cycles for the same price as 1 cycle using Alpha Male.
Anyone have any thoughts or experience on this?
The great developer of MAG-10 himself, Bill Roberts, indicates that use of Clomid during the two week off periods is more than enough to help encourage the HPTA to “get going”.
On the other hand, though some may have experienced differently, MAG-10 didn’t really shut me down that much.
And I do think in general, Clomid or Nolva will outdo even Alpha Male for what you are trying to achieve.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
The great developer of MAG-10 himself, Bill Roberts, indicates that use of Clomid during the two week off periods is more than enough to help encourage the HPTA to “get going”.
On the other hand, though some may have experienced differently, MAG-10 didn’t really shut me down that much.
And I do think in general, Clomid or Nolva will outdo even Alpha Male for what you are trying to achieve.[/quote]
I think that Bill has actually said there’s no need to use anything with two-week cycles. And clomid is best following 4 week cycles. He’ll probably jump in here though. I’m sure clomid wouldn’t ‘hurt’ even with shorter cycles, though.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
buffd_samurai wrote:
The great developer of MAG-10 himself, Bill Roberts, indicates that use of Clomid during the two week off periods is more than enough to help encourage the HPTA to “get going”.
On the other hand, though some may have experienced differently, MAG-10 didn’t really shut me down that much.
And I do think in general, Clomid or Nolva will outdo even Alpha Male for what you are trying to achieve.
I think that Bill has actually said there’s no need to use anything with two-week cycles. And clomid is best following 4 week cycles. He’ll probably jump in here though. I’m sure clomid wouldn’t ‘hurt’ even with shorter cycles, though.
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Ah, I think you’re right JS! I think it was for 4 week cycles, though like you said, using clomid for shorter cycles might not be a bad idea.
You’ve justed asked one of the most debated questions in gear circles. The short oversimplified answer is they’re both rather similar to each other. Clomid was rumored to be better at stimulating endogenous test production. But lately a lot of people including myself seem to be favoring tamoxifen[Nolva].
Best thing to do is do a search here or even google it; you’ll find plenty of banter on each side of the which is better issue.
Why not just use one for PCT one cycle, then use the other at the conclusion of a 2nd cycle? Then you will have your comparison of how effective the compounds are for YOURSELF, not just what you’ve read on any boards.
So, diehard Clomid fans…break out of the habit and try Nolva next time, and vice versa.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Ah yes…the Nolva vs. Clomid debate…
Why not just use one for PCT one cycle, then use the other at the conclusion of a 2nd cycle? Then you will have your comparison of how effective the compounds are for YOURSELF, not just what you’ve read on any boards.
So, diehard Clomid fans…break out of the habit and try Nolva next time, and vice versa.
This stuff isn’t tremendously expensive.
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Yeah. You can get them both cheaper than Alpha Male.
i guess the real question is, is Alpha Male or TRIBEX good enough? any personal experiences with MAG-10 and suppression? any regrets for not using something stronger for pct?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I think that Bill has actually said there’s no need to use anything with two-week cycles. And clomid is best following 4 week cycles. He’ll probably jump in here though. I’m sure clomid wouldn’t ‘hurt’ even with shorter cycles, though.
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Yeah, that’s how I understand it anyway. Nothing needed afterwards because the HPTA normalizes itself very quickly after such a short period of suppression, as Bill has explained in other threads.
Now I imagine some nolva/clomid would be very helpful following a consecutive 2on/2off/2on/2off… protocol, like the OP mentioned. In the very near future, I plan on doing this for sixteen weeks (4 two-weeks cycles) and I’ll be using some clomid therapy afterwards. Mostly because I don’t think nolva did a whole heck of a lot for me following a previous four-week run with MAG-10 Legacy.
Alpha Male is definitely adequate PCT. I’ve used it-the older formula-for 3 weeks tapered down after a 4 week single dose MAG-10 cycle and it it worked fine. As for TRIBEX alone, it doesn’t have any sort of anti-e component so I would probably stay from it just to be safe. If doing a strong MAG-10 cycle-such as a double dose of legacy or something along that line, stacking Alpha Male with TRIBEX Gold and/or REZ-V might not be a bad idea.
I just figured Nolva would be a better choice for economical reasons.
[quote]toughcasey wrote:
i guess the real question is, is Alpha Male or TRIBEX good enough? any personal experiences with MAG-10 and suppression? any regrets for not using something stronger for pct?[/quote]
[quote]toughcasey wrote:
i guess the real question is, is Alpha Male or TRIBEX good enough? any personal experiences with MAG-10 and suppression? any regrets for not using something stronger for pct?[/quote]
I used TRIBEX for a 2 - 2.5 week cycle of Mag and I had zero sides. So I would say (atleast for me) it was adaquate.
On another note, if anyone knows where these “right places” are to still find Mag, PLEASE PM ME! I will forever be in your debt =)
what should you expect as far as gains from a 2 week on 2 week off cycle of MAG-10 using 6 pills a day? thats all i have and i am considering waiting until i have another bottle before using it…
[quote]toughcasey wrote:
what should you expect as far as gains from a 2 week on 2 week off cycle of MAG-10 using 6 pills a day? thats all i have and i am considering waiting until i have another bottle before using it…
…sorry for the hijack [/quote]
I went from about 160 to 180. I responded very well to the product! Just make sure you eat big and keep the carbs up while on the cycle. You can find the intake requirements for the cycle online if you google it.
sorry to bring up old threads. I occasionally browse the forum and in the last 2 months, I finished 2 cycles of MAG-10. I have a question about this. I did 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off using 6 pills a day. The results are great!
I went from 175 to 194 since then and got a helluva lot stronger. But my sex drive has gone down since I finished my first cycle. While on my first cycle, I was a friggin animal. What would you guys suggest I could do to “ressurect” this problem? I do have a bottle of TRIBEX blue here. would this help?