[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
That’s how I interpret it. Look at all the other special treatment they get. The police dept. will damn neat shut down a city to give an officer a funeral procession – even if that officer didn’t die in the line of duty. The implication is that they are saints because they wear a uniform. [/quote]
And since you seemed unawares of why a fallen officer would be honored in the county/city/town he served.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s the least we could do for a person whose job was one of direct service to the community.
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I’m sorry, I don’t buy it. I am served way better and way more fairly and efficiently by the local businessmen and women in my community than I am by any cop.
As far as I am concerned all they do is ride around in their vehicles getting fat off of free coffee and donuts, write parking citations, and show up to clean up after a crime has been committed – they may even harass a few innocent citizens in the name of homeland security.
Not one thing a cop does benefits “society” in any way, shape or form; on the contrary, the cute, little coffee barista gets my regular drink to me correctly, addressing me by name before I even get my order in every morning when she sees me. Now that’s service.
There would be no funeral procession for this sweet girl if some ill fate should befall her in the line of duty. Yet we are expected to treat uniformed thugs who contribute nothing to society like heroes upon their death.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Ah, yes. We need officers completely and totally owned by those wealthy enough to hire and train them.
Absolutely! I strongly believe competition would bring the price of security services down enough for people even in the lower middle class to afford it. With affordable security all property owners would be benefiting every one.
Think about this: If one is a renter and his landlord has a contract with a local security agency then essentially he is protected because that agency would be responsible for the landlords property. A renter is an extension of property; for example, the landlord would not want his tenant hurt because it would cause him to lose his rent and make him have to fill a vacancy. Likewise, security personnel would be hired in the same capacity for commercial enterprise as well.
Also, as a consumer maybe I wouldn’t do business with someone who didn’t offer this service.
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And what would the renter do if the landlord decides to get his hired goons to take all the renters money and belonging and throw him out on his ass, instead of just evicting him?
I mean you could hire your own… oh wait, people who have just been robbed of everything, don’t have anything to buy justice with. Awesome.
[quote]will to power wrote:
And what would the renter do if the landlord decides to get his hired goons to take all the renters money and belonging and throw him out on his ass, instead of just evicting him?
I mean you could hire your own… oh wait, people who have just been robbed of everything, don’t have anything to buy justice with. Awesome.[/quote]
This sort of thing happens all the time with “official” police help. A renter could come home to find all his shit out on the lawn, compliments of the police dept.
But let me ask you this: Why would a landlord do this random act? Do you think he would get many other renters if this became known to the public if it weren’t for legitimate reasons?
You are also making the assumption that there wouldn’t be non-profit agencies that could help in situations like these; but if a renter owes his landlord back rent I don’t see how this is relevant. Most renters will get evicted if they are bad tenants or they don’t pay their rent on time.
I also see many different payment structures popping up in an open market to meet the various types of demand.
I imagine an agency who takes a job with no money down at his own risk in the hopes of taking the guilty offender to private arbitration to exact payment at no cost to the victim (the victim would even be repaid all damages and losses incurred by the crime). In a free society victims do not pay for criminal activity like they do in a “public goods,” tax based society.
How backward is it that in our society not only to we all pay taxes for protection we may or may not need but we also pay to house the criminals that victimize us instead of having all the criminals making restitutions to the victims?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
will to power wrote:
And what would the renter do if the landlord decides to get his hired goons to take all the renters money and belonging and throw him out on his ass, instead of just evicting him?
I mean you could hire your own… oh wait, people who have just been robbed of everything, don’t have anything to buy justice with. Awesome.
This sort of thing happens all the time with “official” police help. A renter could come home to find all his shit out on the lawn, compliments of the police dept.
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If you’re evicting someone and they won’t leave, that’s reasonable. I said the landlord could steal all the tenants shit, not just throw it out of his house.
Because he wants to evict the tenant for whatever reason, and figures he can cash in while he’s at it. As for becoming known to the public, you provided the justification he can give to the public yourself: pretending they had just been ‘a bad tenant’.
There definitely would not be such agencies. And even if they existed, they would be outgunned by those supplied by the rich. Unless… I have an idea… the poor could pool a small portion of their income together, creating a well equiped and trained force to ‘police’ their neighbourhoods and protect them all. It would be brilliant, a non-profit organisation, which you only make a small sacrifice to, and that can be life saving/ a deterrent from warlords taking over. Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?
There are plenty of countries where militias run the show, and the country is split up into neighbourhoods or provinces or whatever based on militia protection and control. Never has this extremely unprofitable scenario occurred; anyone who wants to be a strongman will join an existing gang, or if they want to be a lone ranger they’ll work in the revenge business but you better bet they’ll ask for money upfront.
Edit; so we’re clear, I’m referring to countries with a lot of mercenary groups. Obviously militias are often something more between a police force and militiary.
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How backward is it that in our society not only to we all pay taxes for protection we may or may not need but we also pay to house the criminals that victimize us instead of having all the criminals making restitutions to the victims?[/quote]
This is a separate issue. If you feel there are problems with how criminals are paying their debt back to society, take it up with your congressman. You do live in a republic, remember?
I’m sorry, I don’t buy it. I am served way better and way more fairly and efficiently by the local businessmen and women in my community than I am by any cop. As far as I am concerned all they do is ride around in their vehicles getting fat off of free coffee and donuts, write parking citations, and show up to clean up after a crime has been committed – they may even harass a few innocent citizens in the name of homeland security.
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Ah. Well, I see the problem right there. You’ve no idea what the average cop does during the course of his duty. GTA isn’t the refrence point, btw. In any event, it looks like we’re just going to have to disagree. I’m quite content with a taxpayer run police force. Though not with all the laws the citizens seem content enough with to not change, therefore, leaving the Police to enforce. And, I would mostly definitely hate to live under a system favoring rich warlords and their directly hired, and directly loyal, goons.
I’m sorry, I don’t buy it. I am served way better and way more fairly and efficiently by the local businessmen and women in my community than I am by any cop. As far as I am concerned all they do is ride around in their vehicles getting fat off of free coffee and donuts, write parking citations, and show up to clean up after a crime has been committed – they may even harass a few innocent citizens in the name of homeland security.
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Ah. Well, I see the problem right there. You’ve no idea what the average cop does during the course of his duty. GTA isn’t the refrence point, btw. In any event, it looks like we’re just going to have to disagree. I’m quite content with a taxpayer run police force. Though not with all the laws the citizens seem content enough with to not change, therefore, leaving the Police to enforce. And, I would mostly definitely hate to live under a system favoring rich warlords and their directly hired, and directly loyal, goons. [/quote]
sarcasm onYou’re missing LIFTS point, they would be held accountable by their contracts. You know because nobody has ever breached a contract due to the consequences of losing business.sarcasm off
This is by far one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Granted law enforcement isn’t a perfect science, but come on, different private police forces and sets of laws at every corner.
To touch on your offender based court system.
Do you really think the people that aren’t accountable for their actions and miniscule fines now are going to repay victims?
Lift I think you should go back to your mythical land of unicorns and cotton candy