[quote]Evolv wrote:
You can not compare animals social behavior to humans… Reason number one, you have females in leadership positions. This pretty much shits on any sort of basic logic on animalistic hierachy.
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Until a qualified male decides he wants the leadership role.[/quote]
Women allow men to think they are in charge.
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Whatever helps you through the night I guess.
You are aware that the dominant sex when it comes to mammals is usually the one with the higher testosterone level?
Not necessarily the male animal, just the one with more testosterone.
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Not really true in humans. Men depend on women more than they care to admit.
But then again, I probably have more testosterone than many women.
[quote]Christine wrote:
I was part of the reason a ‘boss’ of mine was fired once.
He wouldn’t listen to me, and thought I should do what he wanted simply because he considered me his ‘subordinate’. He simply couldn’t admit that he didn’t know everything. Typical wanna be Alpha Male type. Ex military police, ex cop and became ex employee.
I was actually told that management was disappointed that he couldn’t get along with me. We got into a couple of heated discussions.
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That is not being in charge, that is being an idiot.
If your point is that there are a lot of idiots that believe they are in charge, I have no objections.
Now to the more interesting point: Do you have his job now?
[quote]Christine wrote:
I was part of the reason a ‘boss’ of mine was fired once.
He wouldn’t listen to me, and thought I should do what he wanted simply because he considered me his ‘subordinate’. He simply couldn’t admit that he didn’t know everything. Typical wanna be Alpha Male type. Ex military police, ex cop and became ex employee.
I was actually told that management was disappointed that he couldn’t get along with me. We got into a couple of heated discussions.
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That is not being in charge, that is being an idiot.
If your point is that there are a lot of idiots that believe they are in charge, I have no objections.
Now to the more interesting point: Do you have his job now?[/quote]
Nope. Don’t have that job anymore. Was told straight up that they wouldn’t promote a woman.
Wish I had a tape recorder at that conversation. But, I will record all confidential meetings with bosses in the future.
[quote]Evolv wrote:
You can not compare animals social behavior to humans… Reason number one, you have females in leadership positions. This pretty much shits on any sort of basic logic on animalistic hierachy.
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Until a qualified male decides he wants the leadership role.[/quote]
Women allow men to think they are in charge.
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Whatever helps you through the night I guess.
You are aware that the dominant sex when it comes to mammals is usually the one with the higher testosterone level?
Not necessarily the male animal, just the one with more testosterone.
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Not really true in humans. Men depend on women more than they care to admit.
But then again, I probably have more testosterone than many women.[/quote]
Which puts you at around 5% of a healthy male?
Anyway, as has been stated before by numerous others, human beings are more complex.
I honestly believe that anyone who would not listen to you when you think that something is really important is a dolt.
But, the very fact that it is his decision means that he is the one in charge.
[quote]Christine wrote:
I was part of the reason a ‘boss’ of mine was fired once.
He wouldn’t listen to me, and thought I should do what he wanted simply because he considered me his ‘subordinate’. He simply couldn’t admit that he didn’t know everything. Typical wanna be Alpha Male type. Ex military police, ex cop and became ex employee.
I was actually told that management was disappointed that he couldn’t get along with me. We got into a couple of heated discussions.
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That is not being in charge, that is being an idiot.
If your point is that there are a lot of idiots that believe they are in charge, I have no objections.
Now to the more interesting point: Do you have his job now?[/quote]
Nope. Don’t have that job anymore. Was told straight up that they wouldn’t promote a woman.
Wish I had a tape recorder at that conversation. But, I will record all confidential meetings with bosses in the future.[/quote]
Well, fuck them then and yes, you should.
Even better, create your own outfit, crush those pansies, mount their women and witness their whiny posts on Facebook.
[quote]Christine wrote:
I was part of the reason a ‘boss’ of mine was fired once.
He wouldn’t listen to me, and thought I should do what he wanted simply because he considered me his ‘subordinate’. He simply couldn’t admit that he didn’t know everything. Typical wanna be Alpha Male type. Ex military police, ex cop and became ex employee.
I was actually told that management was disappointed that he couldn’t get along with me. We got into a couple of heated discussions.
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That is not being in charge, that is being an idiot.
If your point is that there are a lot of idiots that believe they are in charge, I have no objections.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
This guy sounds like a pussy looking for a wordy justification. Walk in to any organization in the US and you’ll find clear lines of dominant authority.[/quote]
It sounds to me like he is saying that simply being the biggest and the strongest dosen’t necessarily insure alpha status.
Which is very true.[/quote]
When it comes to predators, like lions, the biggest, strongest and toughest are the alpha. This sounds like to me, another story of how the smaller one can also be the alpha. I’m sorry, thats not how it is.
I’ve noticed that there’s a huge amount of research concerning the physical structure of “alpha” and “beta” males (or whatever you want to call them. I’m thinking about the ones running Wall Street.)
What about the structure of dominant women? Has this been studied much?
I think I’ve noticed two patterns in the women who normally reach leadership positions and keep them in organizations I’ve been involved with:
They are either EXTREMELY feminine and manipulate those around them with love. These women are very charismatic, tend to be slight in stature, use a small voice, smile and laugh a lot, and use their connections to run the place.
Or they are larger (slightly to very overweight) women with loud voices, also laugh a lot, much more masculine, straight-forward, domineering, and often take the title “bitch” with pride, although not really living up to it the way the first type does.
These are just categorizations of observations from my life. What do you all think?
[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’ve noticed that there’s a huge amount of research concerning the physical structure of “alpha” and “beta” males (or whatever you want to call them. I’m thinking about the ones running Wall Street.)
What about the structure of dominant women? Has this been studied much?
I think I’ve noticed two patterns in the women who normally reach leadership positions and keep them in organizations I’ve been involved with:
They are either EXTREMELY feminine and manipulate those around them with love. These women are very charismatic, tend to be slight in stature, use a small voice, smile and laugh a lot, and use their connections to run the place.
Or they are larger (slightly to very overweight) women with loud voices, also laugh a lot, much more masculine, straight-forward, domineering, and often take the title “bitch” with pride, although not really living up to it the way the first type does.
These are just categorizations of observations from my life. What do you all think?[/quote]
I’d say that is fairly accurate. I would fit into the second (if at all, I don’t consider myself alpha/beta or whatever). However, while I’m not large, I laugh a lot and am very straight forward. I don’t have the patience to be involved in games (although I will at times instigate games with others because they are fun to watch unfold). I don’t like the term ‘bitch’ but I honestly don’t care what anyone calls me. While these discussions are fun, I don’t really label myself or others, but I realize that some people like to make sure everyone fits into a nice, neat cubby-hole.
Overall with people, I have found that some can surprise you so it’s best not to label them.