NIST Released Video

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

Bush is dumb enough to think it would work and get away with it. Well, so far he has.[/quote]

So incredibly dumb that he pulled it off? Dude GTFO. You say he’s an idiot, but then credit him for the up-most brilliant diabolical inside job in history.

Which one is it dude?
[/quote]

Bush? Everyone knows the Joooooos did it. And the Freemasons with their UFOs.

But Bush WAS behind Pearl Harbor. He and his dad actually are clones of Emporer Hirohito, developed by the Japanese with the help of Nazi technolgy stolen from Atlantis.[/quote]

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Who would really think George could sit down and plan something this complex? He struggles putting sentences together. All he had to do was ok the plan. That’s it.

Actually, there’s never been a political scandal just stories to keep people entertained. There are no agendas either. Is this what you would like to believe in your comfy lil chair?

I may seek the truth, but at least I don’t cower in fear and accept any explanation my tv gives me.
[/quote]

You have provided nothing factual.

Nice truth there.

  1. Proof.

  2. I’m sorry, did you really link me a Google image search? You linked me a cut done by a recovery team and expect me to believe it has something to do with explosives? You understand that thermite/thermate are explosives, yes? They don’t make clean cuts.

Protip: http://www.guzer.com/videos/thermite_car.php

Look at how it actually burns. They needed ~1 liter for that.

[i]Stoichiometric thermite requires 2 moles of Al per 1 mole of Fe2O3

2Al + Fe2O3 = Al2O3 + 2Fe

2 moles of Al weigh 54 g
1 mole of Fe2O3 weighs 160 g

density of Al=2.64 g/cc
density of Fe2O3=5.24 g/cc

54 grams of Al is equivalent to 20.5 cc of Al.
160g of Fe2O3 is equivalent to 30.5 cc of Fe2O3

Therefore, 51 cc of fully dense powder of 20.5 cc Al and 30.5 cc Fe2O3 weighs (54+160) g = 214 g.

A volume of 1000 cc would weigh (1000/51)*214 = 4.2 kg

For a powder packing density of 50%, the powder would weigh:

0.5*4.2 kg = 2.1 kg = 4.8 lb[/i]

That is to burn a small hole in a car engine. Now think how much would be needed to burn through a core column. And for SIX weeks!

The molten steel? Proof.

  1. Two people and the sheer amount of explosives required for a controlled and clean demolition? Get the fuck out of here.[/quote]
  1. There are pictures and videos everywhere. Hereâ??s one of hundreds: North Tower Flashes. People get injured or even died - YouTube
    Are you visually impaired? I said there were explosions seen. Never did I say they were caused by placed explosives. I even gave some possible alternative causes. The bus duct explanation is plausible. Kudos to angry chicken. That is exactly the type of in depth thinking the investigation needs.

  2. Yes, I did post a link to pictures of several columns that obviously werenâ??t stressed to the point of failure. You responded by cutting and pasting some BS equation from the web. Pictures are better evidence than some equation about burning through a car engine. Thermite is not an explosive. Wikipedia: â??Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide, which produces an exothermic oxidation-reduction reaction known as a thermite reaction. If aluminum is the reducing agent it is called an aluminothermic reaction. Most varieties are not explosive, but can create short bursts of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small area for a short period of time.â?? Read the last sentence again. Thatâ??s why it is used like this: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/esp_so25.jpg
    Wow. That setup looks a lot like the column in the first picture I posted. You state it doesnâ??t make clean cuts, but back that up with an example of some people melting a car engine. Prove those cuts were made by a recovery team.

3)Did I say â??2 people in the elevator shafts placed chargesâ??? I said they COULD HAVE. 2 per elevator shaft, not total. Again, you assume too much.

I donâ??t think any of this is damning evidence. It is only material, audio, and video evidence that deserves to be looked into further than the 9/11 commission did so. That is the point of this thread. There are questions that deserve answers.

Responding by saying â??proofâ?? only makes you look incapable of analytical thinking, which you very well may be.

the majority of my high school students are absolutely sure that “the american gouvernement did it” (because “they said it on the internet”).
and since they are wrong on nearly everything else, that’s more than enough to tell me it was not an “inside job”.

Here’s my official stance: Planes were crashed into the towers by people outside of our govt. Our govt had previous knowledge of the attacks and either chose to be complacent or simply missed some major hints. I haven’t made my mind up on whether or not devices were placed to assist with the collapse of the towers. In my opinion, it was not necessary. The official 9/11 commission report is garbage, and the majority of those that conducted it believe it is incomplete. What reasons are there for not conducting an impartial investigation? Every person that lost their lives that day deserves such.

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:

  1. There are pictures and videos everywhere. Hereâ??s one of hundreds: North Tower Flashes. People get injured or even died - YouTube
    Are you visually impaired? I said there were explosions seen. Never did I say they were caused by placed explosives. I even gave some possible alternative causes. The bus duct explanation is plausible. Kudos to angry chicken. That is exactly the type of in depth thinking the investigation needs.[/quote]

That type of thinking is exactly what the “investigation” has.

[quote]2) Yes, I did post a link to pictures of several columns that obviously werenâ??t stressed to the point of failure. You responded by cutting and pasting some BS equation from the web. Pictures are better evidence than some equation about burning through a car engine. Thermite is not an explosive. Wikipedia: â??Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide, which produces an exothermic oxidation-reduction reaction known as a thermite reaction. If aluminum is the reducing agent it is called an aluminothermic reaction. Most varieties are not explosive, but can create short bursts of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small area for a short period of time.â?? Read the last sentence again. Thatâ??s why it is used like this: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/esp_so25.jpg
Wow. That setup looks a lot like the column in the first picture I posted. You state it doesnâ??t make clean cuts, but back that up with an example of some people melting a car engine. Prove those cuts were made by a recovery team.[/quote]

Show how the equation is BS. Put up or shut up.

Also, you are an idiot. To use thermite like shown in your picture takes time and precision. To bring down a building on cue without someone sitting at each structural column (and still provide a clean cut) requires technology that doesn’t exist. To bring it down like that would require a vast amount of thermite, necessitating human intervention.

3)Did I say â??2 people in the elevator shafts placed chargesâ??? I said they COULD HAVE. 2 per elevator shaft, not total. Again, you assume too much. [/quote]

No, they couldn’t have. Not in that scenario. Again, get the fuck outta here.

[quote]I donâ??t think any of this is damning evidence. It is only material, audio, and video evidence that deserves to be looked into further than the 9/11 commission did so. That is the point of this thread. There are questions that deserve answers.

Responding by saying â??proofâ?? only makes you look incapable of analytical thinking, which you very well may be.[/quote]

Responding by saying “proof” means you have simply stated something without backing it up.

Also:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Regarding explosives being used to bring down the towers:

  1. There are videos of puffs of smoke and flashes coming from windows below the crash site all over the web. Every single one looks exactly the same. I don’t claim to know what caused these, but if it was different items (condensers on fridges, printers, etc) blowing up from exposure to fire the explosions wouldn’t have been exactly the same.
  2. Thermate, not thermite, was found in the rubble. Thermate is demolition grade.
  3. The main supports of the tower are the center columns that wrap the elevators. This is the “core” of the structure. The elevator shafts are hidden from the public eye. There could have been people placing charges for weeks without anyone noticing.[/quote]

What the fuck are people meant to think about your stance if you post that shit? You are posting bullshit scenarios about explosives and then try to claim that your view is the government missed something? No shit they missed something, in case you hadn’t noticed, the Twin Towers no longer exist.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Who would really think George could sit down and plan something this complex? He struggles putting sentences together. All he had to do was ok the plan. That’s it.

Actually, there’s never been a political scandal just stories to keep people entertained. There are no agendas either. Is this what you would like to believe in your comfy lil chair?

I may seek the truth, but at least I don’t cower in fear and accept any explanation my tv gives me.
[/quote]

You have provided nothing factual.

Nice truth there.
[/quote]

Where’s all your truth? What facts, evidence, etc do you have? There are numerous videos showing what happened. No videos, testimonials, etc supporting your stance.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Where’s all your truth? What facts, evidence, etc do you have? There are numerous videos showing what happened. No videos, testimonials, etc supporting your stance. [/quote]

The fact is that you rely on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis, quotes taken out of context, and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses instead of hard proof. You are the one making outlandish claims, you prove it. Basic knowledge of physics is proof enough to understand why those buildings came down. It takes a special kind of loony to watch a fuel filled plane collide with a building and then question why it fell down.

Also, wtf is happening with the quote tags?

C’mon Mak. You have provided 1 single piece of evidence that is vaguely relavent to the topic. Everything else is “Prove it” and “You’re crazy.” The first line of defense and the most primitive is name calling. It’s the easiest way to attempt to discredit someone. Why do you think they started calling the the Teaparty Teabaggers? So people will think they are morons. Can you honestly tell me you don’t have a single question about that day or the events leading up to it? I question pretty much everything in life, not just this. Humans would be extinct if they didn’t question who, what, why, when, and where. Read my first and second posts on this thread. I made it perfectly clear where I stand. BTW, you haven’t touched a single one of my points from the first post. The 3rd one is hazy, I know. That one you will have to look into a bit if you are interested, but based on your previous posts I don’t think you’ll do so. My bad. My quotations were messed up because I copied and pasted from MS word.

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Ok buddy like I give a shit anyways. Why is everyone so quick to go full hate whan it comes to this topic? It’s like I just slapped your mom or something.

V

P.S. 90% of my interaction on this forum is for Lulz, can I still be credible in that dept? Kthxbye[/quote]

Really bad ideas deserved to be strangled in their grave. So why entertain them and pretend that they are valid?

What’s even better:

“But, but - I am part of my local Ron Paul chapter! I am a Truther! Take me seriously!”

Clown.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Ok buddy like I give a shit anyways. Why is everyone so quick to go full hate whan it comes to this topic? It’s like I just slapped your mom or something.

V

P.S. 90% of my interaction on this forum is for Lulz, can I still be credible in that dept? Kthxbye[/quote]

Really bad ideas deserved to be strangled in their grave. So why entertain them and pretend that they are valid?

What’s even better:

“But, but - I am part of my local Ron Paul chapter! I am a Truther! Take me seriously!”

Clown.
[/quote]

Haha you call me a clown, yet you describe someone who seeks the truth in a deragatory manner. I guess people really do feel more comfortable being lied to. It’s not like it’s any big secret the govenment lies to us. You have probably expressed that sentiment thousands of times yourself. Yet because this topic is something you find unreasonable, you lash out with ridicule, personal attacks and ingnorance.

Again, I am not some raving truther who the media and everyone else always points to as the “batshit crazy” frontmen of the movement. I don’t THINK the government did it. I think they are capable and are covering SOMETHING up. weather it be thier incompetence which is probably likley, or something more sinister. Thier lack of giving adequate answers is not debatable. You are free to accept the answers they provided, but it doesn’t make you smarter or more patriotic than I am.

V

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Ok buddy like I give a shit anyways. Why is everyone so quick to go full hate whan it comes to this topic? It’s like I just slapped your mom or something.

V

P.S. 90% of my interaction on this forum is for Lulz, can I still be credible in that dept? Kthxbye[/quote]

Really bad ideas deserved to be strangled in their grave. So why entertain them and pretend that they are valid?

What’s even better:

“But, but - I am part of my local Ron Paul chapter! I am a Truther! Take me seriously!”

Clown.
[/quote]

Just put your head in the sand you coward. I don’t like being lied to and taken advantage of. It’s human nature to take advantage of others and has been going on forever. It’s just done differently today.

You sound like a pawn who does whatever he is told. So, go sit in the corner and think about your stupid remarks.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Ok buddy like I give a shit anyways. Why is everyone so quick to go full hate whan it comes to this topic? It’s like I just slapped your mom or something.

V

P.S. 90% of my interaction on this forum is for Lulz, can I still be credible in that dept? Kthxbye[/quote]

Really bad ideas deserved to be strangled in their grave. So why entertain them and pretend that they are valid?

What’s even better:

“But, but - I am part of my local Ron Paul chapter! I am a Truther! Take me seriously!”

Clown.
[/quote]

Just put your head in the sand you coward. I don’t like being lied to and taken advantage of. It’s human nature to take advantage of others and has been going on forever. It’s just done differently today.

You sound like a pawn who does whatever he is told. So, go sit in the corner and think about your stupid remarks.[/quote]

You still haven’t provided anything of worth. Go sit in the corner and just be quiet.

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

[/quote]

And you would assume incorrectly.

So, here we are again. Another post to your name that contributes zero to the thread. At least you are consistent.

But that is beside the point, why u so mad Big Bronana?

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

[/quote]

And you would assume incorrectly.

So, here we are again. Another post to your name that contributes zero to the thread. At least you are consistent.

But that is beside the point, why u so mad Big Bronana?[/quote]

This thread is now about making everybody have Bro in their name.

Brostin.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

[/quote]

And you would assume incorrectly.

So, here we are again. Another post to your name that contributes zero to the thread. At least you are consistent.

But that is beside the point, why u so mad Big Bronana?[/quote]

This thread is now about making everybody have Bro in their name.

Brostin.[/quote]

Whatever Brokavali!

V

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

[/quote]

And you would assume incorrectly.

So, here we are again. Another post to your name that contributes zero to the thread. At least you are consistent.

But that is beside the point, why u so mad Big Bronana?[/quote]

This thread is now about making everybody have Bro in their name.

Brostin.[/quote]

Whatever Brokavali!

V[/quote]

Hey Brogita!

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

[/quote]

And you would assume incorrectly.

So, here we are again. Another post to your name that contributes zero to the thread. At least you are consistent.

But that is beside the point, why u so mad Big Bronana?[/quote]

This thread is now about making everybody have Bro in their name.

Brostin.[/quote]

Whatever Brokavali!

V[/quote]

Hey Brogita![/quote]

Racial Brofiling is good for our security.

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

Just put your head in the sand you coward. I don’t like being lied to and taken advantage of. It’s human nature to take advantage of others and has been going on forever. It’s just done differently today.

You sound like a pawn who does whatever he is told. So, go sit in the corner and think about your stupid remarks.[/quote]

Someone provide this guy with a clue - and fast.

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Haha you call me a clown, yet you describe someone who seeks the truth in a deragatory manner. I guess people really do feel more comfortable being lied to. It’s not like it’s any big secret the govenment lies to us. You have probably expressed that sentiment thousands of times yourself. Yet because this topic is something you find unreasonable, you lash out with ridicule, personal attacks and ingnorance.

Again, I am not some raving truther who the media and everyone else always points to as the “batshit crazy” frontmen of the movement. I don’t THINK the government did it. I think they are capable and are covering SOMETHING up. weather it be thier incompetence which is probably likley, or something more sinister. Thier lack of giving adequate answers is not debatable. You are free to accept the answers they provided, but it doesn’t make you smarter or more patriotic than I am.[/quote]

The truth is out there debunking all this conspiracy nonsense - but conspiracy idiots avoid it…purposely. The government - inefficient, bloated, can never do anything smoothly or correctly, and filled with ambitious partisans who would love nothing more than to gain at the other side’s expense - has somehow pulled off a masterstroke of an inside job (or close it by letting it happen) and maintained this secret for a decade? Between changing Congresses and Presidential administrations?

That’s what you imbeciles believe? You should be ashamed. Your belief in the worthlessness of government - and its inability to do anything right - undermines the very possibility of a conspiracy like this being plausible. Either your belief is wrong or the conspiracy is wrong. Which is it, genius? Can’t be both.