[quote]ReignIB wrote:
What would be the point of the “controlled demolition” ?
The planes were there, no ? Or are the conspiracy theory - supporters implying that massive amounts of explosive were planted there just to make sure the twin towers got destroyed completely?[/quote]
I don’t know what happened to the planes but apparently the towers were hit with missiles which then detonated the preplanted explosive devices that were located on every floor of both towers.
Did the planes even exist?[/quote]
Paper mache?
Swamp gas reflecting moonlight?
weather balloon?
Holographic images from secrete government alien technology?
[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Regarding explosives being used to bring down the towers:
There are videos of puffs of smoke and flashes coming from windows below the crash site all over the web. Every single one looks exactly the same. I don’t claim to know what caused these, but if it was different items (condensers on fridges, printers, etc) blowing up from exposure to fire the explosions wouldn’t have been exactly the same.
Thermate, not thermite, was found in the rubble. Thermate is demolition grade.
The main supports of the tower are the center columns that wrap the elevators. This is the “core” of the structure. The elevator shafts are hidden from the public eye. There could have been people placing charges for weeks without anyone noticing. [/quote]
Large building. The sheer amount of crap on each floor almost guarantees that the end result of the collapse would be similar quantities of the same materials flying out.
Proof.
Have you ever been in an elevator shaft? It’s not ACTUALLY like Mission Impossible, you’re not going to get a lot of people in there.[/quote]
Sorry, the explosions were seen before the collapse, not during. I should have stated that before. There could have been any number of things blowing up in the offices below. That’s why I can’t definitevely say they were controlled explosions. Nobody can prove either way.
There are also pictures and reports of pools of molten steel uncovered days after the collapse. The jet fuel fires were not hot enough to melt steel, only weaken it. Some say the fires from the diesel tanks for the generators on the sub floors could have gotten hot enough to melt steel. Again, exactly what caused these pools of molten steel is unknown.
Actually, I have many times. I am a project manager for a commercial construction company. I am currently building a 23 story highrise with 13 elevators. I know exactly what an elevator shaft looks like. Needless to say your assumption backfired here buddy. You are correct, you can’t fit many people in an elevator shaft, but a 2 man team is all you would need. Mission Impossible. Funny.
Again, I don’t know if explosives were used. In my opinion, they weren’t needed.
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
What would be the point of the “controlled demolition” ?
The planes were there, no ? Or are the conspiracy theory - supporters implying that massive amounts of explosive were planted there just to make sure the twin towers got destroyed completely?[/quote]
I don’t know what happened to the planes but apparently the towers were hit with missiles which then detonated the preplanted explosive devices that were located on every floor of both towers.
Did the planes even exist?[/quote]
Good question. Pretty sure those were drones built by the bilderberg group and operated by mossad black ops from the illuminati new world order control center located in the basement of the federal reserve building.
I may have another idea about the explosions. I used to be a commercial electrician and was a part of the disaster recover team for my company. Now of course in this context, the word “disaster” must be taken with a grain of salt - it refers to any catastrophic electrical failure (not a first responder or anything like that).
But what I’m getting at is that ELECTRICAL explosions are fucking LOUD! The way MOST buildings are constructed you have what’s called a “BUS RISER” or “BUS DUCT” which is kind of like the “spinal column” of the electrical system. It comes in ten or twenty foot sections of four copper plates which are laminated by an insulator and then “sandwiched” together, wrapped in aluminum and engineered with a “male” and “female” end. They simply plug together and are stacked vertically. Each ten foot piece, depending on the amperage it is rated for, can weigh over a thousand pounds, easily. See attached picture. The Bus Riser goes from the main electric room (or in this case rooms most likely) and it travels through each floor all the way to penthouse mechanical rooms to power all of the equipment up there. So each electric room on each floor is “stacked” on top of one another, from the bus duct there is a switch that leads to a 480/277 panel for lighting and from there hits a transformer which steps it down to 110 for everything else.
Now just WORKING on this stuff when it’s live is dangerous (attaching new switches, adjusting tension of the connections, etc…). If it were placed under strain or torqued in anyway, it could EASILY explode at the weakest link anywhere on the riser. Also, a building that size would have MULTIPLE risers. (hell a building that size might have 13.2KV risers with 1500KVA transformers at various points in the building). That’s A LOT of fucking power. If it were disturbed (and a plane crashing into it would definitely disturb it) it would explode like a motherfucker. Probably multiple times because a building that size would have at least a dozen risers. It is very possible that the explosions would occur some distance away from the impact.
A dead short on a 4000 amp riser would make an explosion powerful enough to kill anyone within 30 feet or so. I’ve walked into rooms after accidents and there’s nothing left of a guy but a fucking shadow on the wall and a burnt pair of boots… This could IMHO account for the explosions that were heard.
Not saying the Gov’t didn’t do it. Just offering another perspective.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?
Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]
I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.
Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]
I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.
You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.
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Actually, if other people not yet exposed had some responsibility for those events, YOU are trying to shift blame.[/quote]
In case you missed it 19 members of al Qaeda carried out the attack.
Most of the planners of the attack are in Gitmo or hiding out in Pakistan.[/quote]
Is it not possible that officials were in some way complacent in the defense of the innocent in order to gain public support for there agenda?
Or maybe not out of malace but just incompetence those attacks were allowed to occur. Maybe someone or some organization didn’t do their job and should have prevented the attacks. What if these guys were on the no-fly list and we let them on planes anyway? There are amillion possibilities.
Shouldn’t that truth be told?
I just don’t trust the report conducted by the government to hold weight in clearing the government of responsibility.
I haven’t yet claimed to know anything in this thread. Just point out that if there others who should bare some blame that haven’t been exposed you guys are the ones attempting to shift blame.
Sorry, the explosions were seen before the collapse, not during. I should have stated that before. There could have been any number of things blowing up in the offices below. That’s why I can’t definitevely say they were controlled explosions. Nobody can prove either way.
There are also pictures and reports of pools of molten steel uncovered days after the collapse. The jet fuel fires were not hot enough to melt steel, only weaken it. Some say the fires from the diesel tanks for the generators on the sub floors could have gotten hot enough to melt steel. Again, exactly what caused these pools of molten steel is unknown.
Actually, I have many times. I am a project manager for a commercial construction company. I am currently building a 23 story highrise with 13 elevators. I know exactly what an elevator shaft looks like. Needless to say your assumption backfired here buddy. You are correct, you can’t fit many people in an elevator shaft, but a 2 man team is all you would need. Mission Impossible. Funny.
Again, I don’t know if explosives were used. In my opinion, they weren’t needed.
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Proof.
I’m sorry, did you really link me a Google image search? You linked me a cut done by a recovery team and expect me to believe it has something to do with explosives? You understand that thermite/thermate are explosives, yes? They don’t make clean cuts.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Don’t link me this pic for your claims of molten steel. There is too much wrong with this to even begin.
EDIT: Doesn’t seem like the pic will post. -.-
EDIT2: Never mind. It posted.[/quote]
Heh, I wasn’t going to bother with this thread…but yeah, I love how one is even in short sleeves, simple work gloves, bent directly over, and shoveling, molten steel.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Don’t link me this pic for your claims of molten steel. There is too much wrong with this to even begin.
EDIT: Doesn’t seem like the pic will post. -.-
EDIT2: Never mind. It posted.[/quote]
Heh, I wasn’t going to bother with this thread…but yeah, I love how one is even in short sleeves, simple work gloves, bent directly over, and shoveling, molten steel. [/quote]
Not only that, but if you look closely, one of the firemen practically has his face in the “molten steel”. I’ve put my face near a freakin’ BBQ in the back yard and that is enough to make me think twice about staying there. You’d think a 2000C blob of steel would have a similar effect.
Another thing to note is that there is a lot of debris floating around, including paper. Surely some of that would catch fire? Such careless firemen!
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Don’t link me this pic for your claims of molten steel. There is too much wrong with this to even begin.
EDIT: Doesn’t seem like the pic will post. -.-
EDIT2: Never mind. It posted.[/quote]
Heh, I wasn’t going to bother with this thread…but yeah, I love how one is even in short sleeves, simple work gloves, bent directly over, and shoveling, molten steel. [/quote]
Not only that, but if you look closely, one of the firemen practically has his face in the “molten steel”. I’ve put my face near a freakin’ BBQ in the back yard and that is enough to make me think twice about staying there. You’d think a 2000C blob of steel would have a similar effect.
Another thing to note is that there is a lot of debris floating around, including paper. Surely some of that would catch fire? Such careless firemen![/quote]
Jesus/Mary/Mother of God…I am agreeing with Mak in the PWI forum…I am going to feel weird all afternoon.
Bush is dumb enough to think it would work and get away with it. Well, so far he has.[/quote]
So incredibly dumb that he pulled it off? Dude GTFO. You say he’s an idiot, but then credit him for the up-most brilliant diabolical inside job in history.
Which one is it dude?
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Well, Georgey didn’t do it himself. I’m sure he didn’t plan it, but he prolly gave the go ahead on his end. So yea he did pull it off.[/quote]
All done by an idiot that fucked everything else up he touched… except that. Cool story brah.
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What was “All done by an idiot…”? I said he gave the go ahead, not planned it. Why you so high on Bush? Brah
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Don’t link me this pic for your claims of molten steel. There is too much wrong with this to even begin.
EDIT: Doesn’t seem like the pic will post. -.-
EDIT2: Never mind. It posted.[/quote]
Heh, I wasn’t going to bother with this thread…but yeah, I love how one is even in short sleeves, simple work gloves, bent directly over, and shoveling, molten steel. [/quote]
Not only that, but if you look closely, one of the firemen practically has his face in the “molten steel”. I’ve put my face near a freakin’ BBQ in the back yard and that is enough to make me think twice about staying there. You’d think a 2000C blob of steel would have a similar effect.
Another thing to note is that there is a lot of debris floating around, including paper. Surely some of that would catch fire? Such careless firemen![/quote]
Jesus/Mary/Mother of God…I am agreeing with Mak in the PWI forum…I am going to feel weird all afternoon.
Why am I toast exactly? Who is going to toast me and will I be buttered and delicious?[/quote]
It means, flatly stated, whatever credibility you had before - as minimal as it may have been - has evaporated.
“Truthers” in 2010 going on 2011 simply don’t deserve to ever be taken seriously.[/quote]
Ok buddy like I give a shit anyways. Why is everyone so quick to go full hate whan it comes to this topic? It’s like I just slapped your mom or something.
V
P.S. 90% of my interaction on this forum is for Lulz, can I still be credible in that dept? Kthxbye
Why am I toast exactly? Who is going to toast me and will I be buttered and delicious?[/quote]
It means, flatly stated, whatever credibility you had before - as minimal as it may have been - has evaporated.
“Truthers” in 2010 going on 2011 simply don’t deserve to ever be taken seriously.[/quote]
But But But, Look at how patriotic I was over in the Veterans day thread. Doesn’t that cancel out some of the Anti-Americanism I have displayed in this thread?
Bush is dumb enough to think it would work and get away with it. Well, so far he has.[/quote]
So incredibly dumb that he pulled it off? Dude GTFO. You say he’s an idiot, but then credit him for the up-most brilliant diabolical inside job in history.
Which one is it dude?
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^^^^^^^^^This.
You can’t have the cake and eat it too. Either Bush is a master tactician and evil genius, or he’s a moron.
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Who would really think George could sit down and plan something this complex? He struggles putting sentences together. All he had to do was ok the plan. That’s it.
Actually, there’s never been a political scandal just stories to keep people entertained. There are no agendas either. Is this what you would like to believe in your comfy lil chair?
I may seek the truth, but at least I don’t cower in fear and accept any explanation my tv gives me.
Bush is dumb enough to think it would work and get away with it. Well, so far he has.[/quote]
So incredibly dumb that he pulled it off? Dude GTFO. You say he’s an idiot, but then credit him for the up-most brilliant diabolical inside job in history.
Which one is it dude?
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Bush? Everyone knows the Joooooos did it. And the Freemasons with their UFOs.
But Bush WAS behind Pearl Harbor. He and his dad actually are clones of Emporer Hirohito, developed by the Japanese with the help of Nazi technolgy stolen from Atlantis.
