NIST Released Video

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t think the willingness and attempt is that far of a stretch for the government. I only have problems believing they are competent enough to.[/quote]

Exactly. All the govt had to do is nothing.

Regarding explosives being used to bring down the towers:

  1. There are videos of puffs of smoke and flashes coming from windows below the crash site all over the web. Every single one looks exactly the same. I don’t claim to know what caused these, but if it was different items (condensers on fridges, printers, etc) blowing up from exposure to fire the explosions wouldn’t have been exactly the same.
  2. Thermate, not thermite, was found in the rubble. Thermate is demolition grade.
  3. The main supports of the tower are the center columns that wrap the elevators. This is the “core” of the structure. The elevator shafts are hidden from the public eye. There could have been people placing charges for weeks without anyone noticing.

Despite this I’m still on the fence on whether or not explosives were used. Far too complex for our govt to carry out and too many people to keep quite. I also think the plane crashes without the towers falling would have been a devastating enough attack to justify the Patriot Act and war with Iraq in the minds of the American people. One motive could be money. Insurance policies on the towers and WTC 7 is another research topic, fishy as well.

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:
From what I have read, it takes months of preparation and planning to bring a large building down. Those hotels in Vegas can take up to 4-5 months to bring down in a nice, controlled, neat little demolition. They have to go in and cut support beams, strip the fireproofing off, and hollow out the building. Very labor intensive and a very loud process and if it’s not done right, the building wont come down neatly and topple over.

The Twin Towers were MUCH, MUCH larger than a hotel in Vegas. So you could only imagine how much time it would take to prep those buildings. It must have taken several crews of at least a few dozen men working day and night for many, many months.

So in all this time prepping the building for a nice controlled demolition, cutting support beams, stripping the fireproofing off, wiring the building, setting the charges and all the other little details; no one saw a thing?

No one saw any of these men doing any of the prep work? I mean if I were in the office and saw a bunch of dudes putting bombs everywhere, I think I would speak up.

I mean, no one saw anyone cutting support beams? No one saw anyone stripping the fireproofing off? No one saw anyone punching holes in the walls, or ripping up the floors? No one saw anyone wiring up the walls and setting the charges? No one saw anyone hauling the rubble out of the building as they were working? No one saw or heard anything?

Come on. Even the most die-hard “troofer” won’t answer this one. Or they simply say something like “Well, it’s the government! And they have, like, specialized teams that can work undetected!”

Plus, to pull off something like this would take the coordinated efforts of hundreds, if not thousands of “insiders”, government employees, aviation, politicians, private contractors and especially the media.

So all the thousands of people from all backgrounds were in on this and not one of them has had a second thought and said “Gee, I really should expose the truth”. Not one of them has lost the fight with their conscience and now wants to come clean?

And what would it take to keep all these thousands of people quiet in the first place? Since you have all these Americans that are accomplices to mass murder, certainly not ALL of them could be bought, right?

And what about the “troofer” movement itself? If they are exposing the great government cover-up, then they would definitely be a threat, right? I mean the government just killed 3000+ of it’s citizens, what’s a few hundred more? This government that orchestrated the attacks and got off scott-free, could most definitely kill off a hundred “troofers” and make it look like suicide/accident.

So, why don’t they?[/quote]

Do you know if there were any unoccupied floors where work could have been done unnoticed and unheard?
Clearing 3 floors so you could work in the middle might keep things quieter. So would working at night, when the building would be mostly empty(or so I’m assuming).

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.

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“Vegita” is obviously trying to piss people off. I am a fire medic in So Cal. And tomorrow I will wake up and go do my job. The heroin OD or the 8 year old girl in a diabetic coma. I refuse to believe that 343 of my brothers went down that day as part of a government cover up. You can flame me all you want, but the fact is that you are pissing all over those men and women that went down that day. I had no idea that this site was so overrun with liberals.

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[quote]PNewport1010 wrote:
I had no idea that this site was so overrun with liberals.[/quote]

Because it isn’t. This forum has always been a haven for Christian Conservatives and state supporters.

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Welcome to PWI.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Do you know if there were any unoccupied floors where work could have been done unnoticed and unheard?
Clearing 3 floors so you could work in the middle might keep things quieter. So would working at night, when the building would be mostly empty(or so I’m assuming).[/quote]

This doesn’t answer anything. Here’s a pic of the Twin Towers:

1361×1924 1.38 MB

Those are really fucking big buildings.

Again, I only read about this, but from what I have read prepping a building for a controlled demolition takes months of very complex, intricate, labor-intensive work. And that is for buildings 1/4 the size of the WTC.

I’m not going to believe that a shadow team prepped those buildings for a nice and tidy controlled demolition at night-time a few floors at a time totally unseen and left absolutely no trace of them being there. It would take them a decade to do that. Plus, those buildings were never empty - someone was always in there, so someone definitely would have seen a demolition crew tearing the building apart from the inside out.

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What would be the point of the “controlled demolition” ?
The planes were there, no ? Or are the conspiracy theory - supporters implying that massive amounts of explosive were planted there just to make sure the twin towers got destroyed completely?

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

Bush is dumb enough to think it would work and get away with it. Well, so far he has.[/quote]

So incredibly dumb that he pulled it off? Dude GTFO. You say he’s an idiot, but then credit him for the up-most brilliant diabolical inside job in history.

Which one is it dude?
[/quote]

^^^^^^^^^This.

You can’t have the cake and eat it too. Either Bush is a master tactician and evil genius, or he’s a moron.

And to think a demolition of a scale that was/is unprecedented could have been pulled off like that with nobody spilling the beans is borderline insane.

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:
The Twin Towers were MUCH, MUCH larger than a hotel in Vegas. So you could only imagine how much time it would take to prep those buildings. It must have taken several crews of at least a few dozen men working day and night for many, many months.[/quote]

Let’s put it this way. At that point in time, the largest building to be brought down in a controlled explosion was SMALLER than WTC7.

The “truthers” never seem to understand what it is that they are claiming.

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[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Regarding explosives being used to bring down the towers:

  1. There are videos of puffs of smoke and flashes coming from windows below the crash site all over the web. Every single one looks exactly the same. I don’t claim to know what caused these, but if it was different items (condensers on fridges, printers, etc) blowing up from exposure to fire the explosions wouldn’t have been exactly the same.
  2. Thermate, not thermite, was found in the rubble. Thermate is demolition grade.
  3. The main supports of the tower are the center columns that wrap the elevators. This is the “core” of the structure. The elevator shafts are hidden from the public eye. There could have been people placing charges for weeks without anyone noticing. [/quote]

  1. Large building. The sheer amount of crap on each floor almost guarantees that the end result of the collapse would be similar quantities of the same materials flying out.

  2. Proof.

  3. Have you ever been in an elevator shaft? It’s not ACTUALLY like Mission Impossible, you’re not going to get a lot of people in there.

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maybe you will think differenty after watching these 2 videos (also part 2)

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[quote]PNewport1010 wrote:
“Vegita” is obviously trying to piss people off. I am a fire medic in So Cal. And tomorrow I will wake up and go do my job. The heroin OD or the 8 year old girl in a diabetic coma. I refuse to believe that 343 of my brothers went down that day as part of a government cover up. You can flame me all you want, but the fact is that you are pissing all over those men and women that went down that day. I had no idea that this site was so overrun with liberals.[/quote]

Fine, hate me all you want because I don’t feel satisfied with the current depth of investigation that took place. Maybe you will listen to these guys without that blood rage welling up in your eyes as you read what I type. Then again, you may just accuse them of pissing on themselves.

V

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[quote]PNewport1010 wrote:
“Vegita” is obviously trying to piss people off. I am a fire medic in So Cal. And tomorrow I will wake up and go do my job. The heroin OD or the 8 year old girl in a diabetic coma. I refuse to believe that 343 of my brothers went down that day as part of a government cover up. You can flame me all you want, but the fact is that you are pissing all over those men and women that went down that day. I had no idea that this site was so overrun with liberals.[/quote]

Oh look, here are some family members of those who were actually killed in the 9-11 attacks asking questions and demanding answers. Hmmmmm now is some fire medic who lives 3000 miles away going to tell these people that they are pissing on their dead loved ones? or are THEY allowed to get their questions answered?

Look there have been plenty of good counter arguments, unfortunately you have done nothing but act like a fool. I’m not opposed to open debate on the topic. I am opposed to closed minded ridicule by fools who think they are superior or “more patriotic” or look to demean others in some way to silence their position.

V

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

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[quote]PNewport1010 wrote:
“Vegita” is obviously trying to piss people off. I am a fire medic in So Cal. And tomorrow I will wake up and go do my job. The heroin OD or the 8 year old girl in a diabetic coma. I refuse to believe that 343 of my brothers went down that day as part of a government cover up. You can flame me all you want, but the fact is that you are pissing all over those men and women that went down that day. I had no idea that this site was so overrun with liberals.[/quote]

AHAHAA!!

Where exactly do you get liberals from? If anything an inherent distrust of the government should make people conservatives.

And you can refuse to believe whatever you want. But trying to suppress inquiries into what happened on that day is pissing on their memories.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

[/quote]

Actually, if other people not yet exposed had some responsibility for those events, YOU are trying to shift blame.

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[quote]ReignIB wrote:
What would be the point of the “controlled demolition” ?
The planes were there, no ? Or are the conspiracy theory - supporters implying that massive amounts of explosive were planted there just to make sure the twin towers got destroyed completely?[/quote]

I don’t know what happened to the planes but apparently the towers were hit with missiles which then detonated the preplanted explosive devices that were located on every floor of both towers.

Did the planes even exist?

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

[/quote]

You’re such a quality Human Being.

V

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Do you truthers all live in your parents basements? Do you shower?

Fucking nutjobs.[/quote]

I’m still waiting for you to make a contribution to this forum.

Over a 150 posts to your name, and they all fail.[/quote]

I must assume you are another truther, therefore scum off the earth, trying to shift blame away from the murderers responsible for the worst atrocity on American soil.

You can die in a fire. I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out.

[/quote]

Actually, if other people not yet exposed had some responsibility for those events, YOU are trying to shift blame.[/quote]

In case you missed it 19 members of al Qaeda carried out the attack.

Most of the planners of the attack are in Gitmo or hiding out in Pakistan.