Alex Jones, birthers, tea party…
Alex Jones is indeed an extremist crackpot, but he’s not in government.
From Google:
“The Tea Party movement is an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party. Members of the movement have called for lower taxes, and for a reduction of the national debt of the United States and federal budget deficit through decreased government spending.”
These are classic Republican ideals, not extremes.
Has any Republican even mentioned the National Debt since Trump took office or complained about increased government spending?
Because it sure was important when Obama was in office and the debt only increased since Trump took office.
I do wonder why did the Republicans suddenly stop caring about the supposedly apocalyptic scenario facing the US with uncontrolled government spending.
You brought up Republicans you talk to, not just politicians.
Where was/is the Tea party before and after Obama?
This is my point (among many other issues) in a nutshell.
Thomas Masse, Justin Amash have, Rand Paul has mentioned it but not to the level of expect him to…
Their standard bearer doesn’t care about fiscal conservatism and has talked about defaulting on the debt. Family values? A bully who publicly cusses at his events, cheats on women, pays porn stars for silence.
Taking generally Democratic stances on free trade, foreign policy?
I’m not even talking about arguing if some of the stances they have taken are bad merely that I’m not sure how they have the same beliefs. Unless you mean they have the same beliefs deep down?
If you took a Republican from 2006 off the planet and brought him back in 2019 to see what Trump wanted compared to the last Republican President do you think he would recognize his party? Again speaking merely on the number of changes not whether or not they have been good changes.
The President. And since his party won’t fight him really then wouldn’t they all be extreme? Or spineless?
Just look at the treatment Justin Amash, an actual conservative,received from his former colleagues the Freedom Caucus not not mention “conservative” media and the POTUS…
Mo Brooks is a real piece of work. He read from Mein Kampf and incorrectly reasoned that Hitler was a socialist and the Dems are socialists, so the Dems are essentially Nazis.
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Because it sure was important when Obama was in office and the debt only increased since Trump took office.
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Are you saying the national debt didn’t go up while Obama was in office? 9 trillion dollars comes to mind…
We agree here. But it’s my belief that both parties contribute to this. When you’re more concerned about holding on to power than doing what you were elected for the things that matter to the public get pushed to the wayside.
You just described Trump. And a number of past and present democrats and Republicans. Let’s not act like Trump ushered in bad behavior and every politician before him was pure as the driven snow.
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If you took a Republican from 2006 off the planet and brought him back in 2019 to see what Trump wanted compared to the last Republican President do you think he would recognize his party?
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I would agree with that, but again I think it applies to both parties. Would JFK identify with the current craziness in the democratic party? I doubt it.
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then wouldn’t they all be extreme? Or spineless?
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What’s the alternative? Trump is the guy who they were saddled with. So should they all jump ship and join the impeachment train because he doesn’t fit their ideal, or should they try to get the things passed that do matter to them and their constituents? He’s come through on quite a few conservative agendas.
They aren’t passing things that help those who voted them into power.
Conservative judges, better trade deals, deregulation, low unemployment, booming economy. I think his voters are pleased with these things.
None of his base are any better off with him as president. He hasn’t changed any of their lives. He didn’t give them the free healthcare he promised. He didn’t build a wall. Coal is still dying off. Manufacturing isn’t making a comeback.
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Yes it did, and is still growing. But conservatives are now conspicuously silent on the matter. Well, except Amash who’s an independent now.
The same way not one fiscal conservative questioned Trump’s socialist musings about defaulting on US sovereign debt.
Yeah, but he’s overwhelmingly supported by the evangelicals. Kind of strange, don’t you think?
Which ones?
You are missing my points, @ntrojnky (so I will point them out for the millionth time):
- The Debt and Federal Spending was so “important” during the Obama Administration, that it led to the formation of thousands of pseudo-grass-roots/pseudo-non-political organizations (“Tea Party”); protest on the Mall; Social Media Vitriol and activism; and the growth over eight years of a Media Empire with almost a singular Conservative Voice in FOX News.
Now? Crickets.
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Even before he was inaugurated; and by Day 1 in office; President Obama and his Administration were faced with the worst financial crisis that the World has seen since the Depression. They had to take active steps in order to avert a World-Wide depression. And for eight years it was a healing, sluggish economy that didn’t show signs of recovering until near the end of the Obama Presidency. Like most things in his Life; Donald J.Trump is “riding the wave” of being in the right place at the right time. If someone will tell me the active steps and policies that he instituted (until this day he doesn’t have a fully functioning Administration); that have led to our current economy; I am all ears. The fact is; the economy is strong despite Trump’s actions (like Trade Disputes with China)…not because of him. God help us that it will all continue.
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“Better” Trade Deals? Please. Ask the Mid-Western Farmers, Coal producers and Manufacturers of Basic (non-technological) goods and services. Trumps actions are putting nails in coffins and sealing them with cement.
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I actually like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. Trump certainly could have picked a lot worse off the Heritage Foundation List. (A few were actually scary). I think Conservatives will be surprised by some of their legal decisions over the next few years. (Kavanaugh bothers me a little because of how he has been treated by the DEMS. The man will have to have a lot more character than I have to not have biased opinions on something that comes before the Court that the DEMS/Liberals support. We’ll see. Let’s hope his Legal/Constitutional Scholarship wins out…but he’s human).
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Character. Oh no. Trump is not the first narcissistic, ego-driven, dishonest, adulterous liar and megalomaniac to hold the office…and probably won’t be the last. For me it’s a) the almost daily public “crotch-grab” and middle-finger that Trump gives the nation and the World b) the fact that for eight years we had a President that for all practical purposes practiced “family values” by being cautious with those he may offend; raised two beautiful young women; and showed public affection and respect for his wife. c) the silence of the millions of “family-Values” types because “they like his policies” (See above). Relish in the 30 pieces of Silver Folks; but you’ve pretty much lost any moral standing you may have had (at least in my mind and the minds of many).
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Of course. But it’s harder to run counter to the idea of social conservative than him correct? I wasn’t speaking nor caring about Democrats. My post was in response to you saying Republicans have the same values.
That’s quite a while ago and again doesn’t have anything to do with your post on Republicans. How many Republicans in 2005 would have said “we will run someone with no political experience who says we can default on the debt whenever we want, will give healthcare to all for cheap, won’t involve our military overseas, will introduce tariffs, speak with dictators at free will with no preconditions, etc.
Forget 2005 how many Republicans in the 2016 run for the nomination took up those types of ideas regularly?
I’m not even saying if the changes have been good or bad but you’re really saying Republicans have the same beliefs as pre Trump? It seems as if Trump was closer to a third party candidate picking and choosing what he liked. Which again is neither bad nor good but it seems to have gone counter big time to what Republicans have claimed to be for.
I appreciate this because it’s making me really reflect on my current beliefs. I think what I’m simply trying to say is that Republicans didn’t do a 180 and then find a perfect candidate in trump to represent their new ideology, they we’re still Republicans, but wanted a new type of candidate in the white house. I for one had zero faith in any politician, Republican or Democrat, to do the things I wanted done in this country, which are hairball conservative ideals, and I think the majority of Republicans felt the same way, hence Trump winning. He talked a good game, maga, patriotism, etc.
Have Republicans changed their core beliefs since Trump’s gaining the white house? I don’t know. I didn’t think so, but I’m certainly going to delve a little deeper into this.
At the end of the day it’s still a question of party loyalty I guess. I voted for Cruz in the primary, but once Trump was the guy, voting for Hillary just wasn’t an option for me, so here we are. He got my vote and now i support him hoping he does well and wishing he’d stop tweeting.
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One reason and one reason only as far as i can tell. Abortion. For as dicey as the abortion issue is, it’s pretty clear cut down party lines for the most part.
No offense meant to you personally, but I’m sick to death of hearing this. Deregulation played a large part, the easier it is for small businesses to expand and grow, the more jobs there are. The stock market started climbing based on consumer confidence in his administration and the policies they believed he would enact. Tax cuts for business also creates jobs and it’s more money in our greedy little hands and people feel free you spend, further growing the economy.
I’m no economist, but I find it hard to fathom that Obama had some master plan for growing the economy that only came to fruition once he left office and immediately was replaced by Trump.
I don’t deny Obama inherited a recession. Economists say he led the slowest recession recovery in our history. That’s bad policies in my opinion. GDP was 1.6 when Obama left office. That’s practically a standstill. If Trump had left all Obama’s policies and economic strategies in place would the economy be where it is now? No way. The boom started after trump won and immediately started deregulation.
I respect you and your opinion greatly but we’ll never agree on this one.
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