Could be that if there were a smaller field from the beginning that Trump would have been shut down early. Of course we will never know but he had an advantage as in a field that large the vote was split all over the place.
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No thanks, she sold her credibility to trump and that will come back to haunt her.
By the time enough people realized Sanders was a serious candidate, he was too far behind to be a serious candidate. Had there been only a single establishment choice (say Bush or Rubio), I could see the Republican primary going the same way and it would be considered over before the Trump train could get out of the station. But so long as there were at least two other serious contenders, I think it would drag on long enough for Trump to get taken seriously and then it ends the same way it did.
It’s been a while since we talked about Nikki Haley…but after being able to stomach only a few minutes of the DEMS last night…and tolerating even less of Trumps latest crap…I wanted to bring back this thread.
Look… After Trump’s eight years (I’m on record as saying that how long he is in office is on him)…could she finally be the first woman President?
My only concern with Haley is that as I read her “Stand For America” Site…I read and feel a lot of “Trumpism” coming through…NOT from Haley…but from those whom write articles and editorialize on her site. I hope and pray that she isn’t turning into some “Trump-Lite” for electability purposes.
And no, @pfury…she has not declared that she is running in 2024…but she is making all of the moves to that end by 1) putting in slowly and quietly a 50-State infrastructure and organization 2) gaining favor with all types of “power brokers” and financial contributors and backers and 3) lecturing both nationally and internationally at an exhaustive pace.
In other words…she is doing everything needed to make a serious run for the White House.
One last thing…this “rumor” that somehow Trump want’s to replace Pence with her on the 2020 ticket, to me, is beyond ridiculous. I hope she continues to keep as much of a distance from Trump as she has thus far.
Haley 2024?
Our first woman President?
Thoughts?
The more I have learned about her the more I can see her as an actual choice for president. For me, she covers the right level of conservatism while still being to able to work with most moderate democrats (the fringe corners of both parties don’t work with anyone else).
I believe she is more intelligent than any of the crop of current 2020 candidates and most incumbent politicians.
I can’t imagine the sort of attack adds she is going to face though - they will be brutal (since it seems left leaning women are targeted softer than right leaning - with the exception being Hillary and ignoring Trump’s dumb rhetoric).
Agree, @cyclonengineer.
I certainly am not naive enough to believe that anyone is “spotless”; so I am sure than like anyone else, Haley has something that can be thrown at her (there were whispers of infidelity at one point, but only baseless whispers).
With that said; whomever runs against her better bring something to the table besides the bullshit that the American people are currently expected to swallow. She also will not be a “lesser-of-two-evils” choice. I think a lot of people will be ready for what she can bring to the table after 8 years of Trump.
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I could see her becoming POTUS if she waited at least 2 cycles post Trump.
Immediately following Trump? I give her lower chances than Kamala Harris, who was out of the race before announcing.
Demographics are a big deal. Regardless of how much we wish it wasn’t
Where the Country is, and how we will feel after 8 years of Trump, will surely be something to factor in when we consider Haley’s chances.
And while state elections are far from being national ones; Haley certainly “defied” Demographics (or overcame them?) in South Carolina.
You mean where she had the endorsements of the prior governor, mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, and still needed a runoff race to get the nomination?
Where she went on to pull 51% of the vote in South Carolina against a democrat?
I like her a lot as a politician, especially as she seems to be a centrist. But let’s not pretend like she walked into the governor’s mansion. She was handed the largest loaded gun the republican party could manage at the time, and still almost lost to a Dem in South Carolina.
Never said she “walked” into the Governor’s mansion, @pfury…
But she won…in South Carolina…
Look…after what the DEMS are offering and after 8 years of Trump…I’m hoping…that’s all…
Sure. I’ve never contended women can’t win state level GOP races. They definitely can, they just never seem to win anywhere near the level the male GOP members do. Obvious exception being the male minority GOP crowd. They’ve got the toughest time of all
I’m not tbh. I wouldn’t mind considering our options these days, but she reeks of pandering to Trump’s base. Which means she’ll just be another pol playing the game.
How do you feel about Tim Scott being a Senator from SC? Just a couple Senatorial elections removed from Strom Thurmond??
If he’s who I recall, I feel bad for the guy. He called out Trump for being racially offensive.
It’ll be really interesting to see if he gets reelected.
Edit: seems he was ahead of the game here. He called out Trump BECAUSE he had already put himself on a clock. Good on him
As I stated in my post above…I am concerned about some of what I have read on her “Stand For America” site…
I can only hope that she doesn’t turn into “Trump-Lite” in order to pander to Trumpublicans. We’ll see.
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I would if I were her. The next POTUS hopeful for the GOP is going to NEED Trump’s base. Need the shit out of them.
She’s already going to lose a ton of traction from Trump’s comments on women and how weak they are, so obviously she’s going to have an uphill fight.
From what I know of her, I wouldn’t mind seeing her POTUS over the new age republican, but I’m still a Kasich guy.
Again…a lot depends on 1) where Trump takes the Country during his second term 2) where the Country’s collective “head” is politically after 8 years of Trump, AND 3) whatever occurs in the Country and the World over the next 4 years.
At this point; we can only speculate…and hope for the best.
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(sigh):
As I receive more and more information from Nikki Haley as part of her “Stand for America” mailing list; the more and more a lot of what I get sounds like “Trump Lite” or add copy from Ben Shapiro.
I get it. You need to appeal to, and develop some base; and maybe she feels that it’s important to slowly cater to Trump’s base?
I really don’t know. Perhaps in my naivety , I was expecting…no hoping…that someone would come out of the Trump years with sanity, clarity and vision. Maybe Haley still will be that unifying voice; but what is coming out of her camp as of late is discouraging.
Any thoughts, @thunderbolt23, @H_factor and others?
(and yes…I am looking past the shit-show that the 2020 election is sure to be…)
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I mean as bad as Trump is and as wacky as Bernie/Warren seem… the underlying reason for that messaging is rock solid.
Debt based fiat currency, globalism, migration and a dozen other things really did a number on the working class in the West. Not everyone is smart enough to be an engineer or has the risk tolerance to be an entrepreneur. Where does that leave working peoples’ prospects and anxiety about the future?
I think the elites in the establishment are hoping that just one more election cycle will make the populists and nationalists go away. But when you look at the US, UK, Italy, Poland, Germany, France, Hungary etc… there’s just way too much anti-establishment sentiment for me to conclude that this is all unfounded concerns by silly voters.
Now whether all the politicians are preying on these legitimate concerns by promising things they’ll never deliver… I think we know what that answer is.
But Hailey’s messaging being similar to ‘Trump light’ might just mean she’s trying to speak to the disaffected and annoyed voters that put Trump in office.
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This, @Basement_Gainz .
But it goes further than that…they then blame “them” or “those other people” for the cause of all of their ills, instead of pointing out the true economic realities of why things are the way they are.
After WW-II, most of the developed World was under rubble, and the rest had barely emerged from the 12th Century. In many industries; the U.S. held close to 98% or more of the World Market.
Promising people you can get back to that by blaming either “elites” or little brown people from Mexico and Central America is lying and deception at its worst.
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Nikki Haley is coming out with a book soon.
Excerpts already suggest a “Trump Good/Obama Bad” slant.
She already has an appeal that is strong across demographic and political lines (especially among independents like myself).
I hope and pray that she doesn’t become “Trump-Lite” in order to appeal to the Trumpublicans.
That would be very disappointing to me.