Gubernatorial experience in a key swing state for one. I also know several large players have re-domiciled to Florida (JPM for example), so he’s clearly offering something New York’s developed finance center isn’t for some key players.
I’m not a Floridian, so I can’t speak to anything else than that.
The same is obviously true in reverse by that logic though, isn’t it?
If, as you say, the social issues are dead letter, then there would be no legitimate liberal fears of them being rolled back, in which case their position on the matter shouldn’t be strictly relevant to any voter.
Then one would think the voter would vote for their best interests without concern for the social issues. I don’t think this applies to everyone though. Perhaps they don’t understand where the political landscape is? I know conservative people who have told me they vote against their own interests because of abortion. My parents are in this group. I have a severely disabled brother who receives state and federal aid. They vote for the GoP because they are evangelical Christians. Most states run by the GoP have far fewer benefits for the disabled, and the parents have a lot larger burden. Just an example of people voting against their interests because of a false hope that the GoP would overturn Roe.
I don’t believe they will be rolled back because of the amount of voter support and precedent behind the issues. If the supporters stopped supporting, then the folks wanting to repeal would have a very legitimate shot at repealing. They are fighting a losing battle on some of these issues, but its only a losing battle for them as long as the winning side keeps fighting.
Which is why I think the calculus is wrong. I think conservatives and progressives both view a whole host of social issues as important, and will vote for the direction they desire, even if there’s a slim chance it occurs.
It could also be operating as short of hand. If they oppose X, they’ll also oppose Y. There a things that go along with support for a certain social issue that may have little directly to do with it.
Well, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I wouldn’t vote for a extremely pro-candidate on certain social issues regardless of the personal gain (I shan’t opine on what those are for the sake of not detailing the thread). Not everyone makes this calculus, but many do, and for legitimate reasons.
Well, you may well be right. I think it should be overturned because it’s a dreadfully poor piece of jurisprudence. The actual effect of a repeal would be very marginal, mind you. The pro-states would allow it in a week, and the anti-states would not.
Most political fights are losing fights, if we are being honest. The trade unions are bust, abortion is legal, the debt keeps growing etc etc.
If people let something as silly as the impossibility of a goal stop them, then no one would ever vote (which is a respectable since, in my estimation)
You seem to be talking about a specific issue, and i was talking about general social issues in the political arena. What issue are you talking about, curiously (not that it makes much difference in this context)?
I am actually talking about the general. I think abortion operates like a razor in US politics for people to determine whether or not a candidate agrees with them on other social issues.
My own issues are specific to the U.K. , so not relevant to the discussion.
Edit: to elaborate on what I mean.
You have two candidates in a race.
One opposes abortion.
One doesn’t.
In such a situation, how difficult do you believe it would be for me to guess their public stances on other US issues like guns or immigration?
Agree. I’m sure there’s plenty of stuff I think he’s dead wrong on, but it’s not that and right now that is the most important thing. Romney and Sasse might be a couple of the only adopt senators with any principals remaining besides “my team needs to win at all costs”.
Prior to 2020 I didn’t think there was a way Haley could see censure, but all bets are off now as the weather she caves or bets long.
That’s because it was. And it was the only correct reaction, whether or not one backs impeachment specifically.
I really hope Haley doesn’t go the full Jim Jones.
It is on some things. But the bigger problem isn’t the moderate side of the party, it’s the fact that the fridge is so fucking left compared to their compass that they can’t stomach it. And by default in a two-party system even though you might vote for a blue dog Democrat, it means you have to be okay with the fringe because the blue dogs vote with the party and the party can be dragged by the fringe. Just as Trump did to the GOP.
Biden and Bush aren’t really all that different, I agree. I mean they do differ significantly on some items but they’re both relative moderates compared to the ends of either party.
For people who are against Bush based on his moderate stances and policies, voting Democrat would be much worse.
Yeah this is a concern. Primarily for abortion however, as I don’t necessarily think that the LBGTQ question is as cut and dried for as many people.
There’s a reason why poor people tend to remain poor.
Many of them think they will one day be rich, and don’t want the high tax when that happens. Perhaps the education system needs to spend more time on statistics and probability.
Have you been to Alabama?
Drove through it.
Haley is a very skilled Politician.
Her skill will truly be tested over the next 2-4 years.
Yesterday Trump let Haley know that he did not want to meet with her in Mar-a-Logo.
The King has spoken.
For all practical purposes, she is done (certainly as a viable GOP Presidential Candidate).
I mean not really. But how many of those people are actually conservatives anyways? That word gets such lip service but how many are out there? The people who say social conservatism is important flocked to a thrice divorced pussy grabbing porn star paying off with campaign money dude in record numbers. The people who had said fiscal conservatism is important flocked to a dude who ran on the deficit not mattering because we could print our money and/or he could negotiate if they defaulted.
These “conservatives” that you’re talking about I believe are largely fictional at least in a big number. You got some like Sloth who jumped off board almost immediately because of his principles. But those people are few and far between. Some of those conservatives probably did vote for Biden or third party as Trump didn’t represent those ideals. But I’m not convinced many “conservatives” exist when it comes to those principles. I wouldn’t have answered that way 5 years ago.
OUCH!!!
Lately it seems as though Haley has twisted herself in so many knots that she can’t breathe.
I don’t think I have seen any Political Figure (short of some kind of scandal) fall so far in such a short period of time. She is smart, though. And it’s still about 2 years before the 2024 Campaign starts in earnest. So we’ll see.
Any thoughts?
She’s not even close to twisting herself in knots compared to someone like Lindsey Graham. But I do see what you’re saying.
She had the gall to say a few things that weren’t overwhelmingly glowing about Donald Trump. That’s enough to largely end your career at a national level as a Republican. Your viewpoints, proposed policies, etc don’t matter right now. You either are full on board with whatever he does no matter what or kiss it goodbye. Hopefully that will change sometime soon but right now even a hint of principles is too much. You support the red god or you get the fuck out.