🦉 Night Owls and Early Birds... Or Nonsense?

If you’re curious what animal you are based on your sleep schedule, here ya go:

This was created by a sleep doctor and clinical psychologist who says that we can’t change our chronotype because they’re genetic. Is he wrong?

We all know people who like to stay up late and those who like to get up early, but are those set in stone? I’d like to think we’re more flexible than that.

Share your sleep schedule and if you’ve ever dramatically changed it with success. I’d love to hear stories and strategies. What’s worked for you?

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I am so confused on how the wolf is also an owl…

For my sleep schedule, weekdays, I get up at 0400 and get to sleep around 2200. Weekends I tend to be able to sleep until 0700. When I was young, I was far more a night owl, and constantly stayed up until 0200 and slept until about 1000 when conditions allowed. Being a shift worker for 15 years absolutely broke my sleep, along with becoming a parent, and I’ve had to spend several years fighting to regain sleep normalcy. Becoming a professional that was constantly on call also made me a light sleeper, which was an asset as a parent.

Some of the best interventions for sleep for me from a supplement side included ElitePro along with melatonin. Beyond that, a sleep ritual is big. Every night I have a hot cup of green tea, which, though it contains caffeine, it’s a small amount, and I’m fairly certain I have the genetic mutation that makes me immune to the effects of caffeine. The tea forces me to slow down, since it’s a hot drink. I have a meal of greek yogurt mixed with Metabolic Drive, so that I don’t go to sleep hungry, and I avoid things that raise my blood pressure/make me anxious before bed. I also make sure to never check my phone if I wake up in the middle of the night.

Also, P-Well made it so that I stopped getting up in the middle of the night to pee.

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Okay, I’m definitely the lion these days, but I didn’t used to be. I’ve been the bear and the wolf, though I don’t think I ever thrived in wolf-mode.

I was wondering how neuroplasticity plays into all of this, so I asked the robot overlord (ChatGPT). Here’s what it said:

:robot: Chronotype has a strong genetic backbone. Variants in clock genes like PER3, CLOCK, and CRY influence your intrinsic circadian period, melatonin timing, and sleep pressure buildup. That baseline is real. Some people are wired early, some late, and that bias doesn’t just disappear.

But your circadian system isn’t fixed in concrete. It’s plastic within limits.

Here’s what can move it:

  1. Light exposure
    Light is the master regulator. Morning light advances your clock. Late-night light delays it. Consistent manipulation of light timing can shift your phase earlier or later. This works because the suprachiasmatic nucleus, your central clock, recalibrates based on light input to the retina. That’s neuroplasticity in action at the network level.
  2. Behavior timing
    Meal timing, exercise timing, and social cues can shift peripheral clocks and indirectly influence the central clock. Early exercise and early feeding tend to push you earlier. Late-night training and eating push you later. These effects are weaker than light but still meaningful.
  3. Age
    Chronotype naturally shifts across the lifespan. Kids skew early. Adolescents shift later. Most adults gradually shift earlier again after their 20s. That’s developmental biology, not willpower.
  4. Environment
    Shift work, travel, and cultural patterns can entrain you to different schedules. But this is often partial adaptation. Many night shift workers remain biologically day-oriented even if they function at night. Their behavior changes more than their internal clock.
  5. Chronic sleep patterns
    If you consistently wake at 6 am for years and get strong morning light, your dim light melatonin onset can shift earlier. You can move your phase by one to two hours with discipline. What you usually can’t do is turn a true night owl into a natural 5 am enthusiast who feels amazing.

Now, what probably doesn’t change:

Your intrinsic circadian period length. If your natural rhythm runs slightly longer than 24 hours, you’ll tend to drift later without external anchors. That trait appears pretty stable.

So here’s the realistic take:

You can meaningfully shift your schedule. You can optimize within your genetic range. You can build a lifestyle that makes an early schedule tolerable and even productive.

But if your biology leans late, you’ll likely always feel more cognitively sharp later in the day compared to someone born early-type.

The practical question isn’t “Can I rewire my chronotype completely?” It’s “How far can I move it, and what’s the cost?”

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“I am a night owl and an early bird, so I am wise and I have worms.”

  • Michael Scott
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I used to be a night owl in the past for pretty much my whole teenage and young adult life. Would stay up until 1-2AM, wake up 8-9AM so still had decent total sleep. I would always train super late which also added to the later sleep until I calmed down.

After getting more responsibilities with wife and kid I completely changed it around in my 30s, going to bed 9-10PM and waking up 4-5AM to get my workouts in first thing. It seemed like the only way to make it work and still have a decent relationship and home balance.

Really helps that my wife works in healthcare and is always going to sleep early and waking up early so was definitely easier to align my schedule to hers and keep me motivated to do that.

I can’t say I feel a huge difference in energy etc. Morning workouts definitely “feel” better during and after but I don’t feel some huge change in overall energy levels and strength seems to be lower int eh mornings but not by a whole lot, just things feel heavier until I’m warmed up which makes sense.

I haven’t kept this early riser schedule 100% consistent in recent months but still mostly keeping up with it.

Biggest thing that helped me was having a child honestly…if I want to spend time with my kid and not be dead I need to get that workout in the morning and be ready to play before and after work.

I notice a lot of people around me that have come to the same phase as me in life but they kept their old schedule just out of pure habit and they seem to always be complaining about missing workouts or feeling tired.

My wife is 100% a lion and it’s very obvious from her energy levels but I don’t think everyone fits the molds perfectly like that.

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Remember seeing an evolutionary documentary on something similar, where it was said there’s a minority that are natural “night owls” based on the fact there would have been tribe members that would have acted as a night watchmen of sorts. They based this of observations with morden day hunter gatherer tribes that still exist.

Myself personally, for the first time I’ve been forced (due to work) to rise early…and I hate it. My natural bedtime would be around 4-5am, up for 10-11am. I feel drained, I barely sleep now because am having to go to bed when am not tired and full of energy. Time to get another job lol

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Right? They came up with new animals for some reason!

I really like this. My body thinks 3 am is an appropriate time to wake up, so of course I’m dying by about 8-9 pm. But a 4 am wakeup and 10 pm bedtime sounds reasonable to me.

HOW?! Tell me your secrets!

That hurts my brain just thinking about it.

That makes sense. Glad you’ve got more of a routine now!

I love these ideas. Unfortunately for me, I’ve developed an acid reflux problem. So I’m not sure how to eat or drink at the moment, and that certainly includes bedtime since acid reflux definitely causes sleep disturbance. I’m on Nexium 24-HR and it kinda stops working after about 12 hours.

YES. This is absolutely key for me too.

Same here! I it’s essential for that.

I think that’s my fault. Can we go back to your old ways?

Let’s be a bit more bear-ish.

This is what I was wanting to hear.

And yet we go to bed hours before my parents. :joy:

This is the goal. I want to be a 10 pm bedtime person without waking up crazy early and then being a zombie the next day.

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Perfect quote for this thread!

giphy

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WHOA! I think you just proved that it’s possible to completely flip a person’s chronotype.

Makes perfect sense.

Really good to know.

Exactly! It’s weird that people tolerate that kind of exhaustion instead of just tweaking their lifestyles little by little.

I can definitely relate to your wife but am needing to break out of that mold a bit.

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Interesting!!

So you might have some watchmen ancestry in your blood.

Ugh, sorry to hear that. The mental fatigue of having to stay awake at the wrong time feels like torture.

I hope you do! Best of luck to you!

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Maybe I am just a dolphin that can function at either end…hmm :dolphin:

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I’m close to dolphin. But I’ve also had long stretches of getting up at 4:30 am, getting moving and doing what ever the day has in store- then sleep at 11:30 pm.
More recently (like, past 5 years) I’ve become more of a night owl, occasionally going up to 72 or so hrs. without sleep, then returning to night owl within days.

A few times Ive done shoft work of either 3:00 pm- 1:30 (mid shift) or 11:00 pm to 9:00 am late/3rd shift.

I just do what ever needs done, but left to my own devices with no obligations- I slide right into Wolf/Night owl pattern.

I wake up even just in the presence of others, any change in the room. Door opening or even just sensing somebody’s presence. I can also wake up at any given time without an alarm. My brain just knows what time it is.

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Well, my name is Daniel from the Book of Daniel (the lions den), i am early to bed and early to rise…is it coincidental that my favorite animal is the lion, lol

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I’ve always gotten up early and get up earlier and earlier

Used to be 6:30, then 6, then 5, then 4:30 and now I feel like I’m sleeping in if I wake up after 4

I don’t remember the last time I woke up after 7 without extenuating circumstances (surgery, international flight)

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You may be! Hopefully I can get a little of that flexibility.

That makes two of us! Back in 1983, my parents were expecting a boy who they’d named Daniel. So I became Danielle instead. And yep, lion right there with ya.

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You are an anomaly! Wow! :star_struck:

I feel this, but not nearly to the same extent. Fun people are the most energizing.

What a cool gift you have! I love that you’re able to basically shape-shift into whatever chronotype animal you need to be.

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This is super relatable! You are definitely what that sleep expert would describe as a lion.

Same here. So if you have a late night for whatever reason, you’d think the body would just make up for it with extra sleep in the morning but noOoOo. It just wakes up at the same time!

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Yeah, sleep has always been a strange one for me.

I know that you can’t just go get an fmri or something, but Id love to see a brain map of me, how the different cortex are shaped & sized, what they’re all doing together under different conditions- including sleep.

That would be cool if they were as available as like, a Dexa scan.

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