It’s not a simply a matter of the Nigerians fighting themselves. They don’t have the leadership. Without good leadership they can’t effectively defend themselves. With good leadership men will rise to the occasion. A good example is the Italians in North Africa in WWII. Under their own leaders they were a laughing stock. Under German leadership they excelled.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Really though- I just rocked my son to sleep. If someone tried to come in and take him by force there would be at least one dead body here by the time it was all said and done. If not theirs, then mine.
But 200+, and there aren’t droves of people with any tool or weapon they can muster scouting that area and de-limbing anybody involved?
That is ridiculous. That article should drop the subtext of human chattel and ineffectual government and start looking at these peoples complicity by neglecting to act on their own behalf. [/quote]
There are a lot of dead bodies in that region of Africa and lots of grieving parents.
It sounds so simply when you put it like you did but the reality is not that simple. Most of those people aren’t armed, they don’t have the financial means to arm themselves. And even if they are armed there is only so much they can do against an overwhelming force. Nigerian forces are spread thin. Part of that is because they providing peacekeeping (if you can call it that) throughout that region and part of is it simple economics.
But reality is never as simple as we make it sound.
james
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I agree. It’s one thing if the people could actually do something about it, but they cannot. They don’t have the means, the resources, they are totally helpless. When you are completely helpless and then it’s decided nobody will help you that’s another atrocity.
Let somebody take our children and let us be told that nobody is going to help you, they are gone and there is nothing you can do about it. And now your child is going to be sold and have who knows what done to them, by who knows who for the rest of their lives and you will never see them again.
Sure, we’d all like to think we’d strap on our Rambo vests and go get them, but that’s not reality. If nobody helps these people, their kids are lost forever. Nigeria is clearly useless, so what? Do we just tell them “too bad”, the world is a mean place and they have to deal with it? It’s easy to say when it’s not your kid.[/quote]
No dude. Help starts with self. If they won’t ball up a fist, sharpen a stick, or do what ever, why the hell should we send in our best, some of whom absolutely will die?
And Atypical, as far as the complexity goes- Dazzle me. I’m waiting for it.
I’d love to hear one good reason why these people can’t defend their own blood with their own lives?
[/quote]
I am guessing you don’t know anything about the story and what happened. If you know the story, it’s all pretty self explanatory. I am sure they’d be more than happy to ball up a fist, or chuck a spear if they could find them.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
It’s not a simply a matter of the Nigerians fighting themselves. They don’t have the leadership. Without good leadership they can’t effectively defend themselves. With good leadership men will rise to the occasion. A good example is the Italians in North Africa in WWII. Under their own leaders they were a laughing stock. Under German leadership they excelled.[/quote]
Yup, the Nigerian government is fairly useless. I believe them when they say they are doing all they can, it’s just they cannot do much. If they could, the militas wouldn’t be there in the first place. Most of the middle African governments are inept and powerless. People are pretty much on their own in those countries.
I am nigerian,and I live in lagos southwest of nigeria,so I have an understanding of what’s going on. Boko haram are a terrorist group with links to AQ,I think because of the set up of my country(large muslim population),people have been unable to say the truth. The insurgent are restricted to the north well because the northerner allow them. I believe insurgency can only work if the locals allow it,and because of religious,socio economic factors the north is a nice breeding ground for that sort of thing(many northerner are afraid to fight against something if it carries the emblem of islam,and a sizable amount support it secretly). If america comes to help,it would be good PR for obama’s government,but the USA hasn’t always designated boko haram a terrorist group,so that would hypocrisy plus coming to a place with the wrong mindset,and ideas of the enemy hampers effectiveness
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
It’s not a simply a matter of the Nigerians fighting themselves. They don’t have the leadership. Without good leadership they can’t effectively defend themselves. With good leadership men will rise to the occasion. A good example is the Italians in North Africa in WWII. Under their own leaders they were a laughing stock. Under German leadership they excelled.[/quote]
Yup, the Nigerian government is fairly useless. I believe them when they say they are doing all they can, it’s just they cannot do much. If they could, the militas wouldn’t be there in the first place. Most of the middle African governments are inept and powerless. People are pretty much on their own in those countries.[/quote]
It isn’t really that the government is useless,afterall nigeria is the biggest and best peace keeper on the continent,it is that battling terrorism is on another level from conventional warfare. And make no mistake, boko haram,are not some random group of trouble makers,think of AQ,think of boko haram. Also it must be said that the government has not handled the issue smartly and they have not been sensitive enough
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Really though- I just rocked my son to sleep. If someone tried to come in and take him by force there would be at least one dead body here by the time it was all said and done. If not theirs, then mine.
But 200+, and there aren’t droves of people with any tool or weapon they can muster scouting that area and de-limbing anybody involved?
That is ridiculous. That article should drop the subtext of human chattel and ineffectual government and start looking at these peoples complicity by neglecting to act on their own behalf. [/quote]
There are a lot of dead bodies in that region of Africa and lots of grieving parents.
It sounds so simply when you put it like you did but the reality is not that simple. Most of those people aren’t armed, they don’t have the financial means to arm themselves. And even if they are armed there is only so much they can do against an overwhelming force. Nigerian forces are spread thin. Part of that is because they providing peacekeeping (if you can call it that) throughout that region and part of is it simple economics.
But reality is never as simple as we make it sound.
james
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I agree. It’s one thing if the people could actually do something about it, but they cannot. They don’t have the means, the resources, they are totally helpless. When you are completely helpless and then it’s decided nobody will help you that’s another atrocity.
Let somebody take our children and let us be told that nobody is going to help you, they are gone and there is nothing you can do about it. And now your child is going to be sold and have who knows what done to them, by who knows who for the rest of their lives and you will never see them again.
Sure, we’d all like to think we’d strap on our Rambo vests and go get them, but that’s not reality. If nobody helps these people, their kids are lost forever. Nigeria is clearly useless, so what? Do we just tell them “too bad”, the world is a mean place and they have to deal with it? It’s easy to say when it’s not your kid.[/quote]
No dude. Help starts with self. If they won’t ball up a fist, sharpen a stick, or do what ever, why the hell should we send in our best, some of whom absolutely will die?
And Atypical, as far as the complexity goes- Dazzle me. I’m waiting for it.
I’d love to hear one good reason why these people can’t defend their own blood with their own lives?
[/quote]
I am guessing you don’t know anything about the story and what happened. If you know the story, it’s all pretty self explanatory. I am sure they’d be more than happy to ball up a fist, or chuck a spear if they could find them.[/quote]
You’re right. I have no idea what I’m talking about.
[quote]stevekweli wrote:
I am nigerian,and I live in lagos southwest of nigeria,so I have an understanding of what’s going on. Boko haram are a terrorist group with links to AQ,I think because of the set up of my country(large muslim population),people have been unable to say the truth. The insurgent are restricted to the north well because the northerner allow them. I believe insurgency can only work if the locals allow it,and because of religious,socio economic factors the north is a nice breeding ground for that sort of thing(many northerner are afraid to fight against something if it carries the emblem of islam,and a sizable amount support it secretly). If america comes to help,it would be good PR for obama’s government,but the USA hasn’t always designated boko haram a terrorist group,so that would hypocrisy plus coming to a place with the wrong mindset,and ideas of the enemy hampers effectiveness[/quote]
Gotta love it when you so called conservatives preach smaller gov. but when shit gets real it’s all “Our gov. must do something!(as long as it’s to someone else)”.
Isn’t this what you want for the good ole’ US of A? I’d love to see what would happen if you got what you wanted. Create a hands off gov and see what your neighbors are really like. You’d be yelping from the rooftops for help from that same entity which you want to reduce to the point of ineffectual.
It’s just liberalism with a different wish list from the majority of you.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Really though- I just rocked my son to sleep. If someone tried to come in and take him by force there would be at least one dead body here by the time it was all said and done. If not theirs, then mine.
But 200+, and there aren’t droves of people with any tool or weapon they can muster scouting that area and de-limbing anybody involved?
That is ridiculous. That article should drop the subtext of human chattel and ineffectual government and start looking at these peoples complicity by neglecting to act on their own behalf. [/quote]
There are a lot of dead bodies in that region of Africa and lots of grieving parents.
It sounds so simply when you put it like you did but the reality is not that simple. Most of those people aren’t armed, they don’t have the financial means to arm themselves. And even if they are armed there is only so much they can do against an overwhelming force. Nigerian forces are spread thin. Part of that is because they providing peacekeeping (if you can call it that) throughout that region and part of is it simple economics.
But reality is never as simple as we make it sound.
james
[/quote]
I agree. It’s one thing if the people could actually do something about it, but they cannot. They don’t have the means, the resources, they are totally helpless. When you are completely helpless and then it’s decided nobody will help you that’s another atrocity.
Let somebody take our children and let us be told that nobody is going to help you, they are gone and there is nothing you can do about it. And now your child is going to be sold and have who knows what done to them, by who knows who for the rest of their lives and you will never see them again.
Sure, we’d all like to think we’d strap on our Rambo vests and go get them, but that’s not reality. If nobody helps these people, their kids are lost forever. Nigeria is clearly useless, so what? Do we just tell them “too bad”, the world is a mean place and they have to deal with it? It’s easy to say when it’s not your kid.[/quote]
No dude. Help starts with self. If they won’t ball up a fist, sharpen a stick, or do what ever, why the hell should we send in our best, some of whom absolutely will die?
And Atypical, as far as the complexity goes- Dazzle me. I’m waiting for it.
I’d love to hear one good reason why these people can’t defend their own blood with their own lives?
[/quote]
I am guessing you don’t know anything about the story and what happened. If you know the story, it’s all pretty self explanatory. I am sure they’d be more than happy to ball up a fist, or chuck a spear if they could find them.[/quote]
You’re right. I have no idea what I’m talking about.
[quote]stevekweli wrote:
I am nigerian,and I live in lagos southwest of nigeria,so I have an understanding of what’s going on. Boko haram are a terrorist group with links to AQ,I think because of the set up of my country(large muslim population),people have been unable to say the truth. The insurgent are restricted to the north well because the northerner allow them. I believe insurgency can only work if the locals allow it,and because of religious,socio economic factors the north is a nice breeding ground for that sort of thing(many northerner are afraid to fight against something if it carries the emblem of islam,and a sizable amount support it secretly). If america comes to help,it would be good PR for obama’s government,but the USA hasn’t always designated boko haram a terrorist group,so that would hypocrisy plus coming to a place with the wrong mindset,and ideas of the enemy hampers effectiveness[/quote]
Gotta love it when you so called conservatives preach smaller gov. but when shit gets real it’s all “Our gov. must do something!(as long as it’s to someone else)”.
Isn’t this what you want for the good ole’ US of A? I’d love to see what would happen if you got what you wanted. Create a hands off gov and see what your neighbors are really like. You’d be yelping from the rooftops for help from that same entity which you want to reduce to the point of ineffectual.
It’s just liberalism with a different wish list from the majority of you.
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I am technically conservative, it’s my ideology. But ideology and reality don’t always co-exist nicely. This isn’t a political issue for me. This is an issue of tremendous abuse, and purest form of evil rearing it’s ugly head and doing unimaginable horrors to innocent people. People who cannot help themselves, people who are crying out for help.
This isn’t politics. It’s just people helping people.
Put yourself in the place of those parents brothers and sisters. Put yourself in the position of the mother being forced to watch their child be gang raped. Put yourself in the position of having to watch your child burned alive, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Give a shit about politics?
Can’t we put bullshit aside, once, and just help people who need help badly? Or is idealogy and conservativism so important, that everything and everybody can fuck themselves to preserve the appearance of conservatism? Not me, people are more important than politics.
We live in such a bubble, we can’t even imagine what these people are going through, what they have endured in the past. And now, when they need help the most, we’re just going to play petty political games while their children are getting sold in the sex slavery.
If giving a shit makes me a bleeding heart liberal, I don’t care.
[quote]stevekweli wrote:
I am nigerian,and I live in lagos southwest of nigeria,so I have an understanding of what’s going on. Boko haram are a terrorist group with links to AQ,I think because of the set up of my country(large muslim population),people have been unable to say the truth. The insurgent are restricted to the north well because the northerner allow them. I believe insurgency can only work if the locals allow it,and because of religious,socio economic factors the north is a nice breeding ground for that sort of thing(many northerner are afraid to fight against something if it carries the emblem of islam,and a sizable amount support it secretly). If america comes to help,it would be good PR for obama’s government,but the USA hasn’t always designated boko haram a terrorist group,so that would hypocrisy plus coming to a place with the wrong mindset,and ideas of the enemy hampers effectiveness[/quote]
Are you there now? I appreciate your perspective since you clearly are closer to the situation than we are. What’s the mind set? What are the people hoping for?
[quote]pat wrote:
Put yourself in the place of those parents brothers and sisters. Put yourself in the position of the mother being forced to watch their child be gang raped. Put yourself in the position of having to watch your child burned alive, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Give a shit about politics? [/quote]
I already stated- Nobody would ever come into my house and kidnap my son without someone dying in the process. Either me or them. It’s not going to happen any other way. I’d rather go out knowing I did what ever was humanly possible than live knowing I should have done something.
[quote]
Can’t we put bullshit aside, once, and just help people who need help badly? Or is idealogy and conservativism so important, that everything and everybody can fuck themselves to preserve the appearance of conservatism? Not me, people are more important than politics.
We live in such a bubble, we can’t even imagine what these people are going through, what they have endured in the past. And now, when they need help the most, we’re just going to play petty political games while their children are getting sold in the sex slavery.
If giving a shit makes me a bleeding heart liberal, I don’t care.[/quote]
All bullshit is aside. This isn’t rambo vest bullshit ramblings. It’s calling out the ideological assclownery that has been on parade here for a long fucking time.
You and a bunch of others are all about “You’ll get my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands” and all of the bumper sticker courage you can muster, but when it comes right down to it the only thing powering your sails is your own hot air.
You have a proud collection of fire arms and deep desire to help- Go buy a plain ticket and get it on.
oh, wait- The desire isn’t that deep, is it? As easy as he is to hate at least someone like John Walker Lindh has the testicular fortitude to go balls deep into what he believes in.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
All bullshit is aside. This isn’t rambo vest bullshit ramblings. It’s calling out the ideological assclownery that has been on parade here for a long fucking time.
You and a bunch of others are all about “You’ll get my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands” and all of the bumper sticker courage you can muster, but when it comes right down to it the only thing powering your sails is your own hot air.
You have a proud collection of fire arms and deep desire to help- Go buy a plain ticket and get it on.
oh, wait- The desire isn’t that deep, is it? As easy as he is to hate at least someone like John Walker Lindh has the testicular fortitude to go balls deep into what he believes in.
[/quote]
^Great post-I hope that goes for everything “the collective” wants.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I think that Africa would be a great place to get into another war. I’m getting tired of that “desert camouflage” uniform anyway - that was SOOO last season.
Here’s a thought (probably a politically incorrect thought): If we, the United States “world police”, have to go into a country to “save” it, then why don’t we charge them for the privilege? Seriously, we went into Kuwait, saved their ass, spent billions of OUR treasure, but then let them keep their oil? Same with Iraq. What. The. Fuck? If they are now enjoying the benefits of freedom and democracy (even if they cant get it right), then why shouldn’t that come with a cost? It sure as fuck cost US!
Africa has metric shit tons of natural resources. Why aren’t we "quid pro quo"ing that to our advantage? We will kill your war lords and set you up with some better farming equipment, provide peace, vaccinations and education, etc… and you will give us XYZ quantity of natural resources.
This isn’t a new phenomenon or anything. Britain just settled it’s war debt from WWII back in 2006. So why don’t we make these other countries pay? They have plenty of natural resources. Hell, in lieu of direct payments, we could just agree to give US companies exclusive rights to the oil/minerals/whatever.
That would be win:win. Africa would be a far more peaceful place, the US would have several international income streams, it would allow us to forward deploy our military with “justification” to keep China on it’s heels and it would PAY DOWN OUR DEBT. And it would keep Muslim extremists down and perhaps keep 200+ innocent girls from being kidnapped and sold into slavery.
What do you guys think? [/quote]
er, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc financed the full American intervention in Kuwait. America paid nothing.
And because American companies are exploitative and a key source of poverty in the region.
Question
Just who are these Boko Haram scumbags selling these people to?
Why would America help in any case. 200 girls is peanuts, especially to America which has killed many times that many innocent women and kids with drone strikes and still does (although they aren’t called children or women, just collateral damage).
Relatively speaking, 200 kidnapped girls its about 60 Ariel Castros. There are probably 200 kidnapped or missing girls in the US at the moment, given its massive population. It would probably be better combating things like that.
Irrational, emotional foreign policy has been at the root of Americans international failings for the last 2 decades. Intervening in Nigeria would be an irrational and emotional intervention, not a pragmatic real-politik one.
From the terrorist mindset, its perfect if America intervenes. Because once America pegs its reputation on intervening and helping, then the terrorists can just kidnap another 200 or 300 kids and America either gets sucked in to the point where it starts to hurt America more than the terrorists or it has to backpedal and look weak. If terrorists are ignored or are combated as criminals rather than as terrorists they are delegitimized and fade away.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
All bullshit is aside. This isn’t rambo vest bullshit ramblings. It’s calling out the ideological assclownery that has been on parade here for a long fucking time.
You and a bunch of others are all about “You’ll get my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands” and all of the bumper sticker courage you can muster, but when it comes right down to it the only thing powering your sails is your own hot air.
You have a proud collection of fire arms and deep desire to help- Go buy a plain ticket and get it on.
oh, wait- The desire isn’t that deep, is it? As easy as he is to hate at least someone like John Walker Lindh has the testicular fortitude to go balls deep into what he believes in.
[/quote]
^Great post-I hope that goes for everything “the collective” wants.
[/quote]
Says the fucking BUREAUCRAT!
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Put yourself in the place of those parents brothers and sisters. Put yourself in the position of the mother being forced to watch their child be gang raped. Put yourself in the position of having to watch your child burned alive, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Give a shit about politics? [/quote]
I already stated- Nobody would ever come into my house and kidnap my son without someone dying in the process. Either me or them. It’s not going to happen any other way. I’d rather go out knowing I did what ever was humanly possible than live knowing I should have done something.
Cause I could actually board an international flight with guns and go find a bunch of well organized terrorists in a foreign country myself, kill them all and rescue the girls. That’s realistic.
So gun owning conservatives should go and kill all the terrorists in the world with our guns because we own guns and believe that terrorists need to be dealt with harshly?
That makes a lot of sense.
So I guess what you are saying is these people and those girls should go fuck themselves, they deserve what they got.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Put yourself in the place of those parents brothers and sisters. Put yourself in the position of the mother being forced to watch their child be gang raped. Put yourself in the position of having to watch your child burned alive, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Give a shit about politics? [/quote]
I already stated- Nobody would ever come into my house and kidnap my son without someone dying in the process. Either me or them. It’s not going to happen any other way. I’d rather go out knowing I did what ever was humanly possible than live knowing I should have done something.
Cause I could actually board an international flight with guns and go find a bunch of well organized terrorists in a foreign country myself, kill them all and rescue the girls. That’s realistic.
So gun owning conservatives should go and kill all the terrorists in the world with our guns because we own guns and believe that terrorists need to be dealt with harshly?
That makes a lot of sense.
So I guess what you are saying is these people and those girls should go fuck themselves, they deserve what they got.[/quote]
No. I’m saying that they should make their part of the world the way that they want it to be.
And given the perspective of stevekweli, I’d say they have.
You, on the other hand, would rather have Unce Sam go to the next round commencements ceremonies (graduation is comming up soon at high schools around the nation) and round up our next batch of future disabled veterans.
Better them than you though, huh?
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been following this for about 3weeks . I am curious if it is too big for a black ops , send in a bunch of guys to kill the bad guys . Stack them up like fire wood and leave . No one knew who did it ???[/quote]
It’s not that simple. There’s a lot of bad guys there. I’m also not certain just how good our intel is there anymore.
Not to mention that it doesn’t solve the problem. We kill a small group of bad guys and next week another school is taken. Are we expected to just rinse and repeat?
james
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I have to (RESPECTFULLY ) disagree . I think America and this board are always guilty of thinking inside the box .
So there are a lot of them . Invest a little and get a lot. Fight like they do . They won’t know you are an enemy . Sabotage , destabilize meaning covert
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Why would America help in any case. 200 girls is peanuts, especially to America which has killed many times that many innocent women and kids with drone strikes and still does (although they aren’t called children or women, just collateral damage).
Relatively speaking, 200 kidnapped girls its about 60 Ariel Castros. There are probably 200 kidnapped or missing girls in the US at the moment, given its massive population. It would probably be better combating things like that.
Irrational, emotional foreign policy has been at the root of Americans international failings for the last 2 decades. Intervening in Nigeria would be an irrational and emotional intervention, not a pragmatic real-politik one.
From the terrorist mindset, its perfect if America intervenes. Because once America pegs its reputation on intervening and helping, then the terrorists can just kidnap another 200 or 300 kids and America either gets sucked in to the point where it starts to hurt America more than the terrorists or it has to backpedal and look weak. If terrorists are ignored or are combated as criminals rather than as terrorists they are delegitimized and fade away. [/quote]
Can you provide some examples of when terrorists ‘fade[d] away’ as a consequence of being ignored?
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Put yourself in the place of those parents brothers and sisters. Put yourself in the position of the mother being forced to watch their child be gang raped. Put yourself in the position of having to watch your child burned alive, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Give a shit about politics? [/quote]
I already stated- Nobody would ever come into my house and kidnap my son without someone dying in the process. Either me or them. It’s not going to happen any other way. I’d rather go out knowing I did what ever was humanly possible than live knowing I should have done something.
Cause I could actually board an international flight with guns and go find a bunch of well organized terrorists in a foreign country myself, kill them all and rescue the girls. That’s realistic.
So gun owning conservatives should go and kill all the terrorists in the world with our guns because we own guns and believe that terrorists need to be dealt with harshly?
That makes a lot of sense.
So I guess what you are saying is these people and those girls should go fuck themselves, they deserve what they got.[/quote]
No. What he’s saying is that if you see a problem, get off your fucking ass and participate in the solution process instead of standing on your soapbox calling for actions that you yourself never will and never have taken. And don’t sit there and tell me that donating some money through iPhone or retweeting the latest hashtag is making a difference. It isn’t.
How long did you spend in the military, Pat? What about the Peace Corps? What about the myriad NGO’s out there that go to Africa every year? It seems to me that you have no problem calling for military interventions of some sort to help end the injustices that abound. If you really want to help in Africa, drop everything and join an NGO. Why don’t you join the Peace Corps and help educate children in Africa?
Sure, that would require a huge change/sacrifice for you to make. Fuck it, do it anyways! After all, that’s exactly what you’re calling on others to do.
[quote]pat wrote:
I am technically conservative, it’s my ideology. But ideology and reality don’t always co-exist nicely. This isn’t a political issue for me. This is an issue of tremendous abuse, and purest form of evil rearing it’s ugly head and doing unimaginable horrors to innocent people. People who cannot help themselves, people who are crying out for help.
This isn’t politics. It’s just people helping people.
Put yourself in the place of those parents brothers and sisters. Put yourself in the position of the mother being forced to watch their child be gang raped. Put yourself in the position of having to watch your child burned alive, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Give a shit about politics?
Can’t we put bullshit aside, once, and just help people who need help badly? Or is idealogy and conservativism so important, that everything and everybody can fuck themselves to preserve the appearance of conservatism? Not me, people are more important than politics.
We live in such a bubble, we can’t even imagine what these people are going through, what they have endured in the past. And now, when they need help the most, we’re just going to play petty political games while their children are getting sold in the sex slavery.
If giving a shit makes me a bleeding heart liberal, I don’t care.[/quote]
This is the biggest bunch of bullshit drivel I’ve ever heard from you. You are a conservative until your values/ideology conflict with reality, and then you are not. You are ideological until it doesn’t work for you any longer. Great, you stand for nothing.
This IS a political issue, plain and simple. This isn’t about pain and suffering; it’s about ending pain and suffering using political means. Sending troops into a foreign country to protect people who are not citizens of that army’s country is a political decision that will be made by politicians, the actions will be overseen by politicians, politicians will be taken to task if it fails, and politicians will try to take the credit if it succeeds.
When you bitch and moan about the next entitlement program in the U.S., I’ll be right there to bring up this post of yours. Universal healthcare, food stamps, subsidized housing, and subsidized schooling isn’t a political issue; it’s about people helping people. You have no problem using taxpayer money to put American lives at risk halfway around the world in order to save Nigerian lives, but you take serious issue with using taxpayer money, WITHOUT putting American soldiers at risk in the process, to help save American lives. Where do you stand on Planned Parenthood? Where do you stand on using taxpayer money to fund the counseling that women receive from Planned Parenthood after being raped?
What about when some 15y/o girl gets raped by her father and gets knocked up as a result? Are you going to set your ideology aside then?