NFL Draft 2011 LIVE SPILL

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
How the fuck is Reggie Bush gonna be with the saints next year? Pierre Thomas, Ingram, Ivory anf Bush…I dont see it.[/quote]

Saints owe him 10 mill+ this season as well.

It will be curious to see how fast players move once shit gets settled. I imagine he will be one of the first to go but most teams are right at the cap number and if they’re not they’re cheap fucks.

I missed the player movement element of the draft this year.

By all accounts The Steelers are thrilled with getting Heyward, mind you that’s what they have to say. His father was from the area, his relatives live there still, played near there etc. He said he was hoping and praying Pittsburgh was going to pick him.

The coaching staff has it’s work cut out for them, particularly the DB coaches. Signing Ike Taylor is crucial. Can’t wait to see how the DB’s improve with the addition of Carnell Lake to the coaching staff, that dude was a hell of a player in his day.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
For the record, I was unaware of Denver’s plan to move back to 4-3. Knowing this, I like the Von Miller pick-up a LOT less. He has sideline-to-sideline speed and agility, but he’s proven to be a better pass/bull rusher through his time at A&M and he would have fit MUCH better in a 3-4 system. Very disappointed knowing this.

The same can be said about Dumervil, too.

John Fox is a moron.[/quote]

I dont know SSC you will have Miller on the right and Dumervil on the left, to me that really makes a hell of a pass rushing tandem. Also both have proven to be decent against the run. How could Fox sit there and pass on Miller?

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[quote]SSC wrote:
For the record, I was unaware of Denver’s plan to move back to 4-3. Knowing this, I like the Von Miller pick-up a LOT less. He has sideline-to-sideline speed and agility, but he’s proven to be a better pass/bull rusher through his time at A&M and he would have fit MUCH better in a 3-4 system. Very disappointed knowing this.

The same can be said about Dumervil, too.

John Fox is a moron.[/quote]

A player may be more suited to one scheme or another coming out of colledge but if the reports say he’s very coachable then let the coaches coach and see what happens. Not saying your assesment is wrong, just saying that maybe once some players get coached by “pros” they blossom, happens every year.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
I dont know SSC you will have Miller on the right and Dumervil on the left, to me that really makes a hell of a pass rushing tandem. Also both have proven to be decent against the run. How could Fox sit there and pass on Miller? [/quote]

My man, you just illustrated my point perfectly! Yeah, I’m not sure if passing on Miller would have been a good idea, but I think they would have been better-suited to pick PP as Bailey is getting old and the secondary is spread very thin, or any of the explosive defensive linemen available. I see Dumervil coming back, DJ Williams, and even Ayers there. Although not optimal, I see three linebackers no worse than Detroit’s starting three. I see a WEAK defensive line and secondary, though. When they’re playing that kind of 4-3 that Fox runs, it’s one based around bringing a lot of pressure up front and have LBs play as support in the run game and coverage in the pass game.

I really hope that VM gets properly utilized in the system, for real, (especially since Denver may be my future home,) but I just feel like if he were to land in Buffalo or Arizona he’d be used in a lot more creative and effective ways.

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
A player may be more suited to one scheme or another coming out of colledge but if the reports say he’s very coachable then let the coaches coach and see what happens. Not saying your assesment is wrong, just saying that maybe once some players get coached by “pros” they blossom, happens every year.
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I can’t disagree with this at all. I understand he played both defensive alignments in college (3-4 first, 4-3 second, IIRC.) I should give Fox a little more credit, as I know he usually leads a pretty damn good defense year after year. As much as I fucking LOVE linebackers, I can’t help but feel like they almost should have traded down, picked up 1-2 touted D-linemen (I’m thinking Claiborne/Bowers, Fairley/Hayward) or something like that. I’m not sure how effective the system can be run this year without a truly strong front 4 leading the way. We’ll see, I might eat my words!

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^ You are just a 3-4 whore and you know it.

Grade your team time.

I put ours at a B+, first time in 30 years that an OL was drafted in the first round. Plus we addressed needs and stayed true to our board. First time since Parcells was there that no trades and we took the best player available.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

Grade your team time.

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A fucking +

Simply because Bill didn’t trade all the picks away.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

Grade your team time.

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A fucking +

Simply because Bill didn’t trade all the picks away.[/quote]

How do you feel about Mallet, you now have the two slowest QB’s in Combine history. :slight_smile:

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B-

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

Grade your team time.

[/quote]

A fucking +

Simply because Bill didn’t trade all the picks away.[/quote]

How do you feel about Mallet, you now have the two slowest QB’s in Combine history. :slight_smile: [/quote]

Worked out to be 3 rings the first time, so I’m not too worried. I guess that kid has a lot of upside? I don’t follow college, so I have no clue.

I’d rather my QB throw the ball anyway… That is why they pay the RB’s and WR’s…

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
B-[/quote]

Listening to guys this morning made some sense to me, we tend to grade our teams by our own perception. We wanted our team to pick Player X, however GM’s etc may have a different view. Basically since they are with the team they may have a player they have been grooming on the practice squad or is a special team stud that proves to be a safer bet than a rookie.

Matty what were you wanting them to draft? Were you some what let down? You didnt get sexy picks but you did draft about 700 lbs of beef for the DL.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

Grade your team time.

[/quote]

A fucking +

Simply because Bill didn’t trade all the picks away.[/quote]

How do you feel about Mallet, you now have the two slowest QB’s in Combine history. :slight_smile: [/quote]

Worked out to be 3 rings the first time, so I’m not too worried. I guess that kid has a lot of upside? I don’t follow college, so I have no clue.

I’d rather my QB throw the ball anyway… That is why they pay the RB’s and WR’s…[/quote]

True that on all counts, on the field Mallet has a TON of upside. His problem is his off the field issues. Now his mom is a teacher and his dad was a coach, problem is in Little rock he probably liked to party to much. Under Bill he will either keep his shit together or he will be out the fucking door. In my opinion Mallet will be groomed and will be trade bait in 3 years.

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In the words of Myron Cope " hmmm, hah!" lol. B-something. I’m hoping the second rounder is the better player out of the gate in a way. Steelers still have studs(when healthy) up front on DF. The OL went through hell last year with all the injuries to starters.

They drafted the positions of need thats for sure. DT,OL,DB,DB,OL,RB.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

Grade your team time.

[/quote]

A fucking +

Simply because Bill didn’t trade all the picks away.[/quote]

How do you feel about Mallet, you now have the two slowest QB’s in Combine history. :slight_smile: [/quote]

Worked out to be 3 rings the first time, so I’m not too worried. I guess that kid has a lot of upside? I don’t follow college, so I have no clue.

I’d rather my QB throw the ball anyway… That is why they pay the RB’s and WR’s…[/quote]

Any time I see a QB throwing the ball away it’s a good play. The NFL is far too fast and smart for most quarterbacks to be forcing throws or risking their necks every time they try to get an additional yard or two.

I’d be very pleased with having Mallett.

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Packers draft gets a B-/C+ from me. I would have probably given it more of a mid-lower C rating had they not drafted Randall Cobb and DJ Williams out of Arkansas.

Really, truly and honestly, I feel the draft would have been much better had the first round pick made more sense. Tauscher and Clifton are getting older, yes, but Derek Sharrod is, as I’ve proclaimed many times now, not going to be effective or anything worthwhile. I got to watch enough Miss St games this season (Dan Mullen fan, what can I say) that I don’t believe he will be a suitable tackle to any capacity. There’s a resounding sentiment that Sherrod couldn’t possibly handle playing LT, especially a RT who came from a spread offense. Bulaga has proven to be pretty talented and reliable, but I’m not sure if he has what it takes to play LT either. This leaves my scratching my head, as I believe they reached for something that does not exist with this kid. I cannot accept that Zombo or Walden are legitimate starters for the future. My D-Line concerns have been well versed to this point are are probably tired, too.

That being said, Randall Cobb is a fucking FANTASTIC pick-up. Return back and a very versatile, consistent receiver who is going to have good success in the system.

DJ Williams is another guy I got to see play just about every week. I think he’s highly underrated and I was ecstatic to see his name called so late, and for my team. Him + Jermichael could be a nasty little outfit. Especially since Williams is use to a similar system that the Packers run, coming from ARK.

Davon House, the CB from New Mexico State is a guy who I heard about a bit through the season, actually. He could be another good value coming later, especially playing with Chuck, Tramon, and Nick Collins.

I am unsatisfied with drafting a running back from Hawaii, though. I doubt very much that this guy even had 200-300 carries through his college career, so I’m not sure where that rationale comes in.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
B-[/quote]

Listening to guys this morning made some sense to me, we tend to grade our teams by our own perception. We wanted our team to pick Player X, however GM’s etc may have a different view. Basically since they are with the team they may have a player they have been grooming on the practice squad or is a special team stud that proves to be a safer bet than a rookie.

Matty what were you wanting them to draft? Were you some what let down? You didnt get sexy picks but you did draft about 700 lbs of beef for the DL.[/quote]

For the most part I was satisfied with what they did, they drafted from need which is fine, so I gave them a B, they are restocking their D-line, maybe have a replacement for Brad Smith (Kerley) and possibly a backup Qb for sanchize,

I gave them the “minus” because I would have like a pure pass rusher which they didnt do, the chance they took with Kenrick Ellis, and from what I have read the qb they took sucks balls.

but in depth:

Muhammad Wilkerson - Very happy with this pick, can play all over the line, local guy. Stats show he can rush the passer and tackle backs for losses, only issue is the comp he played against, very happy with this pick.

Kenrick Ellis - Again liked the pick based on what he did on the field, hes HYUUUUGE! another guy who can wreak havoc against the run and had 8 sacks his senior year. But from what we have read, has baggage, may be sentenced to jail time, was kicked out of his 1st college and played in another small college, so again comp and off field issues is a concern.

Bilal Powell - Liked this pick alot as well, we need depth at rb, greene still hasnt proven he could do it over the long haul, Mcknight hasnt proved a thing, and Tomlinson is collecting SS payments. From what I have read and from what I have seen he looks like he can be a good change of pace from Greene, thunder and lightning type thing. Conflicting reports on his character, one articles says hes a great kid, then heard a report he was stabbed in a gang fight in HS. But not for nothing I had my issues in HS and college and Im a great guy!

Jeremy Kerley - Looks like Brad Smith is going by by, and this guy may be his replacement as a return man. If they cant keep both homes and edwards this guy might be the home run hitter they need. Liked this pick as well

Greg Mcelroy - Heard he wears 12 because of Broadway Joe, but heard he plays like Broadway Joe’s Daughter.

Scotty Mcknight - Heard he is Sanchizes buddy, and had a journal of killing his teacher in a tarantino fashion, overblown he was just a kid effing around…and no one supposed to read it. Kinda looks like sanchez in more of a white guy way…ehhh whatever.

So again I like the pics, but would of liked linebacker and took a big chance on their second rounder B-

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Greg Mcelroy - Heard he wears 12 because of Broadway Joe, but heard he plays like Broadway Joe’s Daughter.[/quote]

Ummmm… fuck? I somehow missed them picking up McElroy.

I’m going to throw this out there, right here and right now - but the Jets would be much better off thinking about McElroy as the long-term solution, seriously. He’s smart, efficient, and is a winner. I mean, obviously he can’t be thrust in there now and see success, but when I see Mark Sanchez I see nothing more than Kyle Orton - a game manager who isn’t going to win or lose a game for a team.

I’m just not a big fan of that style. It seems like Rex Ryan is complacent with having a very pedestrian (and not particularly effective, to be honest) offense instead of trying to make it a well-oiled machine. I know and love the defensive mentality, but that doesn’t mean you should HAVE to rely on your D to win games. Why not have two incredibly sick entities operating on both sides of the ball?

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Greg Mcelroy - Heard he wears 12 because of Broadway Joe, but heard he plays like Broadway Joe’s Daughter.[/quote]

Ummmm… fuck? I somehow missed them picking up McElroy.

I’m going to throw this out there, right here and right now - but the Jets would be much better off thinking about McElroy as the long-term solution, seriously. He’s smart, efficient, and is a winner. I mean, obviously he can’t be thrust in there now and see success, but when I see Mark Sanchez I see nothing more than Kyle Orton - a game manager who isn’t going to win or lose a game for a team.

I’m just not a big fan of that style. It seems like Rex Ryan is complacent with having a very pedestrian (and not particularly effective, to be honest) offense instead of trying to make it a well-oiled machine. I know and love the defensive mentality, but that doesn’t mean you should HAVE to rely on your D to win games. Why not have two incredibly sick entities operating on both sides of the ball?[/quote]

You just love the SEC QB’s. :stuck_out_tongue:

I will say that there are very few teams that can have elite on both sides of the ball. Look at the Chargers technically the top O and D of the league, how is that working out?

Hard to argue with making it as far as they have the past two years, I just hope for Matty and Prints sake they are not the Buffalo Bills of this decade.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Greg Mcelroy - Heard he wears 12 because of Broadway Joe, but heard he plays like Broadway Joe’s Daughter.[/quote]

Ummmm… fuck? I somehow missed them picking up McElroy.

I’m going to throw this out there, right here and right now - but the Jets would be much better off thinking about McElroy as the long-term solution, seriously. He’s smart, efficient, and is a winner. I mean, obviously he can’t be thrust in there now and see success, but when I see Mark Sanchez I see nothing more than Kyle Orton - a game manager who isn’t going to win or lose a game for a team.

I’m just not a big fan of that style. It seems like Rex Ryan is complacent with having a very pedestrian (and not particularly effective, to be honest) offense instead of trying to make it a well-oiled machine. I know and love the defensive mentality, but that doesn’t mean you should HAVE to rely on your D to win games. Why not have two incredibly sick entities operating on both sides of the ball?[/quote]

Not for nothing, Sanchez was the REASON why the Jets won 4 games last year due to his late game heroics, their D was not as good as it could of been last year, Sanchez proved he was more than just a game manager. Many teams came back on the Jets D last year and it was Sanchez arm, legs and decision making that made them win…I couldnt disagree with you more.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Greg Mcelroy - Heard he wears 12 because of Broadway Joe, but heard he plays like Broadway Joe’s Daughter.[/quote]

Ummmm… fuck? I somehow missed them picking up McElroy.

I’m going to throw this out there, right here and right now - but the Jets would be much better off thinking about McElroy as the long-term solution, seriously. He’s smart, efficient, and is a winner. I mean, obviously he can’t be thrust in there now and see success, but when I see Mark Sanchez I see nothing more than Kyle Orton - a game manager who isn’t going to win or lose a game for a team.

I’m just not a big fan of that style. It seems like Rex Ryan is complacent with having a very pedestrian (and not particularly effective, to be honest) offense instead of trying to make it a well-oiled machine. I know and love the defensive mentality, but that doesn’t mean you should HAVE to rely on your D to win games. Why not have two incredibly sick entities operating on both sides of the ball?[/quote]

Not for nothing, Sanchez was the REASON why the Jets one 4 games last year due to his late game heroics, their D was not as good as it could of been last year, Sanchez proved he was more than just a game manager. Many teams came back on the Jets D last year and it was Sanchez arm, legs and decision making that made them win…I couldnt disagree with you more. [/quote]

Fair enough, between you and DJHT you bring good points, and for whatever reason I think I could only catch a good 4-5 Jets games last year. I’ll take your word for it.

That being said, I still think McElroy is a stud. Expect for him to be starting somewhere within a few years… the Jets will be pestered about trades a la Kolb, I believe. (Not that this is a bad situation to be in, lol.)

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I heart Sanchez!!!

for real I am a big supporter of him, for the first time ever my favorite player is a QB, I understand when you cant watch a player and a team game in and game out you can formulate this picture, but in all honesty the Jets D in the reg season was dissapointing.

With all my love for Sanchize being said, this is the year he has to take a big step numbers wise as the third year IMO there should be no excuses in his individual performance…

From what I have read (I know nothing about McElroy) is he is an intangible winner type. But on the negative side he has a weird throwing motion, will suffer against quicker dbs poor footwork and poor accuracy when pressured…but shit if we can get a number one for him that would be great