NFL Discussion Thread 2009

[quote]eic wrote:
WestCoast7 wrote:
Early Division Champion Predictions:

AFC North: Ravens
AFC South: Colts
AFC East: Jets
AFC West: Broncos

NFC North: Vikings
NFC South: Saints
NFC East: Giants
NFC West: 49ers

AFC Wild Card: Patriots
NFC Wild Card: Eagles

Urm . . . you need two more teams (one NFC, one AFC).

Also, Broncos for the AFC West? Are you serious? The Chargers are playing like ass, no doubt, but the Broncos have gotten to 4-0 on an unbelievably SOFT four-game schedule (not to mention a great deal of luck against Cincinnati). Fasten your seat belts, because things are about to get rough for them. I predict the Broncos will finish 8-8. The Chargers will finish 9-7 or 10-6 and win the division. [/quote]

Chargers have no chance, I love LT and Merriman, but both are being plagued by injuries, and without both of those game changing players, the bolts are going to experience a serious power outage.

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

Chargers have no chance, I love LT and Merriman, but both are being plagued by injuries, and without both of those game changing players, the bolts are going to experience a serious power outage.[/quote]

Even if those guys were 100%, there is a lot of other problems that need to be addressed.

I make computer ratings for different sports as a hobby; in some sports they’re useful enough to make money, other they’re not.

Anyway, without boring everybody to death, here are my current NFL ratings (average is [i]88[/i]):

DEN 144.63
IND 126.16
NO 120.86
NYJ 108.19
SF 108.17
JAX 106.97
ARI 101.34
MIN 100.79
BAL 99.99
NE 97.38
NYG 95.41
CHI 94.74
MIA 93.70
GB 93.47
CIN 91.59
PHI 89.08
PIT 88.80
SD 88.62
HOU 87.19
ATL 85.35
TEN 85.17
DAL 85.00
SEA 80.87
DET 69.55
BUF 66.86
WAS 65.04
CLE 64.29
OAK 58.81
TB 58.67
CAR 56.90
KC 54.38
STL 48.03

1.) These ratings are based on points scored/allowed, rushing yards gained/allowed, passing yards gained/allowed, turnovers forced/lost, and the quality of opponent.

2.) If you make these rankings often enough, you begin to see patterns among teams that are ranked highly due to early-season computer quirks and not because they’re really that great. In these rankings, those teams are Denver and the NY Jets.

3.) The old adage “There are 5 great teams, 5 horrible teams, and everybody else is pretty average” generally holds true in pro sports. You can already see that pattern beginning to form in these ratings.

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:

2.) If you make these rankings often enough, you begin to see patterns among teams that are ranked highly due to early-season computer quirks and not because they’re really that great. In these rankings, those teams are Denver and the NY Jets. [/quote]

I don’t get this. I tend to agree that Denver is way overrated, but I don’t get the basis for your conclusion. If the data are showing you that Denver is leaps and bounds better than other teams, what makes you say that it is because of “early-season computer quirks”?

Computer quirks or injuries to starters. Is this kind of system used by bookies?

This year seems to be the year for sacks(in bunches) and players stripping the ball while other players hold him up. Is this being coached more I wonder.

Crabtree has finally signed with the 49ers, as a fan I’m glad to finally have him, even though it was an annoying path to get him here.

The Jets boosted their receiving game with the addition of Braylon Edwards.

Thoughts?

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Crabtree has finally signed with the 49ers, as a fan I’m glad to finally have him, even though it was an annoying path to get him here.

The Jets boosted their receiving game with the addition of Braylon Edwards.

Thoughts?[/quote]

Singletary is gonna get in Crabtree’s ass.

If Braylon gets his confidence back and gains some chemistry with Sanchez, I expect great things for the Jets…next year and the year after.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
WestCoast7 wrote:
Crabtree has finally signed with the 49ers, as a fan I’m glad to finally have him, even though it was an annoying path to get him here.

The Jets boosted their receiving game with the addition of Braylon Edwards.

Thoughts?

Singletary is gonna get in Crabtree’s ass.

If Braylon gets his confidence back and gains some chemistry with Sanchez, I expect great things for the Jets…next year and the year after.[/quote]

I have a running bet with every Browns fan that I know that Braylon Edwards will make the Pro Bowl in 2010.

Yea these guys possess tremendous potential, and are being added to teams that are already doing surprisingly well.

The plus side is that both coaches are huge drill sergeants and should be able to get these players inline in no time. I love the NFL.

[quote]eic wrote:

So how exactly did Green Bay do Favre wrong? He retired, they moved on. Then he tries to come back last minute?

By (1) forcing him to retire a bit earlier than he wanted and (2) not granting him an unconditional release. I believe that Favre was back and forth on retiring, but the Packers brass put a little extra pressure on him to do it. Then he retires and realizes he made a mistake and wants to come back. I have absolutely no problem with the Packers deciding to go in a different direction; that is their prerogative. But instead of treating him with respect and letting both parties go their separate ways, the Packers limited Favre’s options. THAT was a dick move. You just don’t treat a man of that importance to your franchise like that. That is where I lost respect for Favre.

Also, as tiring as the back and forth with Brett is, you have to keep in mind that he did not invite the media attention to the issue. It’s easy to think that Favre like the attention and does the back and forth to draw it. I think this is a man that is genuinely struggling with feeling a little worn out but still has the desire to play. He is having to deal with that in the public eye. It’s not his fault that the whole country is watching the drama unfold on ESPN. Didn’t Junior Seau do the same thing more or less? [/quote]

Green Bay forced Favre to retire? News to me.

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
WestCoast7 wrote:
Crabtree has finally signed with the 49ers, as a fan I’m glad to finally have him, even though it was an annoying path to get him here.

The Jets boosted their receiving game with the addition of Braylon Edwards.

Thoughts?

Singletary is gonna get in Crabtree’s ass.

If Braylon gets his confidence back and gains some chemistry with Sanchez, I expect great things for the Jets…next year and the year after.

I have a running bet with every Browns fan that I know that Braylon Edwards will make the Pro Bowl in 2010.[/quote]

He’s definitely a good player, he got double covered every play of every game as a Brown because our #2 is just a fast guy turned receiver(Cribbs is an amazing return man but not a developed #2), and our O-line gives QBs like 1 second to make a throw so he’s still getting bumped by 2 guys.

Once Sanchez learns that Braylon makes “hard” catches look easy and easy catches look hard, so throw to the wrong shoulder or make him grab it 1 handed, you’re golden!

[quote]BigHairyMan wrote:
eic wrote:

So how exactly did Green Bay do Favre wrong? He retired, they moved on. Then he tries to come back last minute?

By (1) forcing him to retire a bit earlier than he wanted and (2) not granting him an unconditional release. I believe that Favre was back and forth on retiring, but the Packers brass put a little extra pressure on him to do it. Then he retires and realizes he made a mistake and wants to come back. I have absolutely no problem with the Packers deciding to go in a different direction; that is their prerogative. But instead of treating him with respect and letting both parties go their separate ways, the Packers limited Favre’s options. THAT was a dick move. You just don’t treat a man of that importance to your franchise like that. That is where I lost respect for Favre.

Also, as tiring as the back and forth with Brett is, you have to keep in mind that he did not invite the media attention to the issue. It’s easy to think that Favre like the attention and does the back and forth to draw it. I think this is a man that is genuinely struggling with feeling a little worn out but still has the desire to play. He is having to deal with that in the public eye. It’s not his fault that the whole country is watching the drama unfold on ESPN. Didn’t Junior Seau do the same thing more or less?

Green Bay forced Favre to retire? News to me.

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I agree with the second half of what you said, but they couldn’t just let him keep jerking them around like that.

Anyhow, his Sears commercial is fucking hilarious:

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:

2.) If you make these rankings often enough, you begin to see patterns among teams that are ranked highly due to early-season computer quirks and not because they’re really that great. In these rankings, those teams are Denver and the NY Jets.

eic wrote:

I don’t get this. I tend to agree that Denver is way overrated, but I don’t get the basis for your conclusion. If the data are showing you that Denver is leaps and bounds better than other teams, what makes you say that it is because of “early-season computer quirks”?[/quote]

Some teams have unremarkable ratings across the board, save one or two categories that are just astronomical and are skewing the overall ratings upward. In the past, those teams generally do not stay at the top of the heap.

Other teams have consistently high ratings in every or almost every category. Those teams are generally less likely to fall back to Earth compared to teams like I’ve described above.

Denver’s overall rating is being skewed upwards by an out-of-this-world scoring defense rating that truthfully has nowhere to go but down. Their other 7 categories are unremarkable and are more or less in-line with other good-but-not-great teams.

At the other extreme, New Orleans has significantly above-average ratings in scoring offense, scoring defense, rushing offense, rushing defense, passing offense, TO avoidance, and TO forcing. Their only weakness is passing defense, but not even that is horrible.

Given the two, I’m more inclined to guess that New Orleans is going to remain near the top of the rankings while Denver will slide back down. But that’s certainly no guarantee for either team.

[quote]bond james bond wrote:

…Is this kind of system used by bookies? [/quote]

I don’t know how bookies make their lines, but I’d be stunned if they don’t have some sort of computer ranking, in addition to long-time handicappers. I don’t know how similar or not mine is to what they use.

The Steelers are going to throttle the Lions this Sunday and I also predict another big day for Mendenhall. No fourth quater meltdowns this week.

I saw the numbers for offensive leaders this morning. Big Ben is third in passing and third in yards/attempt. Never thought I’d see him this high. Not the Pittsburgh way of old but it’s starting to grow on me. I miss JB. Hines Ward is sixth in recieving, had to double check that one, no more double teams helps, plus he’s awesome.

New York Jets…This team reminds me of Ben’s rookie year. Great veteran O line, strong defence, hard ass coach. Still early. Braylon Edwards was a great pick-up imho.

Not a big Deion Sanders fan and it will be fun to watch him squirm on tv regarding this college recruiting/ghost agent mess he may or may not be involved in. His house is HUGE to match his ego. Google it, it’s massive.

Go Black and Gold

I’m not a broncos fan, but dumervil is a beast!!

Let week 5 begin.

3 games I would pay to see:

Ravens over Bengals
Broncos over Patriots
49ers over Falcons

3 games that nobody should have to see:

Bills over Browns
Vikings over Rams
Steelers over Lions

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Dolphins blew it.

49ers are the surprise of the season so far.

I’m fine with Brady sucking this season.

Chris Johnson is a freak of nature.

Cowboys don’t look like they deserve to play in a $1.1 billion dollar stadium, and they can’t blame TO this year.[/quote]

Brady sucking this season, wanna be he’s Tom Brady again after the bye?

[quote]Meni69 wrote:
WestCoast7 wrote:
Dolphins blew it.

49ers are the surprise of the season so far.

I’m fine with Brady sucking this season.

Chris Johnson is a freak of nature.

Cowboys don’t look like they deserve to play in a $1.1 billion dollar stadium, and they can’t blame TO this year.

Brady sucking this season, wanna be he’s Tom Brady again after the bye?
[/quote]

Try constructing a sentence that is understandable, then I can reply.

Tom Brady isn’t even in the top 15 in QB rating, with players like Shaun Hill, Kevon Kolb, and Jason Campbell ahead of him. I love him as a player and know that he will be in the hall of fame one day, I just doubted that he would have a blazing come back after a torn ACL like everyone else predicted, and that has been correct.

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Let week 5 begin.

3 games I would pay to see:

Ravens over Bengals
Broncos over Patriots
49ers over Falcons

3 games that nobody should have to see:

Bills over Browns
Vikings over Rams
Steelers over Lions[/quote]

Kinda blew it on that…

It seems there are a lot of teams doing bad and a lot doing good. There are five undefeated teams and four teams without a win.