NFL 2013 Part 2

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[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
oh and fuck you fish
[/quote]

I was going to give y’all a compliment but something changed my mind.[/quote]

LOL, you know I just couldnt hold back…

In all seriousness though, have you seen enough in Tannehill that you could win with him? Does the last 2 games make you doubt him?
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I say he has the same problem as Geno, he is still lacking a #1 wide receiver and a security blanket TE.[/quote]

I disagree with this a bit. Geno has almost no offensive weapons (one receiver over 500 yards). Tannehill does. While he does not have the best receivers they are still better than the Jets. Hartline had over 1,000 and Wallace had 930. Gibson was playing pretty well prior to his injury and Matthews was playing pretty well after Gibson went down. Charles Clay has turned out to be a pretty good utility player. I wonder what will happen when Dustin Keller comes back.

BTW Matty, if y’all get some receivers and we get some offensive linemen, things could get very interesting in the division. [/quote]

Wallace may demand some coverage over the top with his ability to break away with speed. Hartline then has some soft spots in the coverages/zones to catch, which he obviously did due to his route running.

But lets face it both of these teams WR core is not going to make a dent or threat against playoff teams. Which is evident since both are not in the playoffs.

Wallace and Holmes need a true #1 WR to really open up their strengths.

With the injury to Keller I would not put my hopes in him to be that Tony Gonzales TE in the future. [/quote]

If Tanny knew how to throw to Wallace (and Hartline for that matter) the season would have been a lot different. He constantly overthrows him every time he burns a defender down field. I did not say Wallace was a #1 receiver but I do believe him and Hartline play nicely off each other. If Tanny could work shit out with them we would be fine. Our WR core is not my concern at the moment. To compare them to the Jets’ receiving core is ridiculous though.

And don’t worry I never had hopes Keller would be the Tony Gonzales TE ever. He is a pretty solid player though and with the emergence of Clay we might actually be able to run some two tight end sets. [/quote]
Explain why comparing them to Jets receiving core is ridiculous?

You basically have two 8-8 teams with young inexperienced QB’s, Two WR who at times flash outstanding catches, but are not demanding double teams or defenses game planning around them.

The supporting WR’s are journeymen or young WR’s themselves who have yet to emerge.

And yes Keller is solid and that was my point.

Since you are the Miami expert, expound on where you see the problems and what would you do?

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Stephen Hill - 24 catches 350 yds 2 td
Santonio Holmes - 23 catches 450 yards 1 td
Jeremy Kerley - 43 catches 500 yds 4 td
David Nelson - 36 catches 420 yds 2 tds

I think you would be hard pressed to find a worse receiving corp in the NFL

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
oh and fuck you fish
[/quote]

I was going to give y’all a compliment but something changed my mind.[/quote]

LOL, you know I just couldnt hold back…

In all seriousness though, have you seen enough in Tannehill that you could win with him? Does the last 2 games make you doubt him?
[/quote]
I say he has the same problem as Geno, he is still lacking a #1 wide receiver and a security blanket TE.[/quote]

Come Derek you cant compare Tannehills weapons (Hartline, Clay and Wallace) to the Jets (Kerley, Hill, Holmes) the jets receivers are infinitely worse[/quote]
Out of those three Wallace is a solid #2, the other two really? journeyman

Holmes is = to Wallace in my eyes. Now that I look at it I would say they are actually about the same. [/quote]

Holmes didnt even play this year, 23 catches 450 yards 1 TD, Wallace at least plays, Hartline is a reliable possession receiver, Holmes based on ability can be a very good receiver, but hes a douche[/quote]
I agree on Holmes for sure.

I am just looking from the outside in. I watch most of these games. I do not make my own opinion from watching ESPN highlights and going with what the talking heads say.

You know me Matty in that regard. You see guys like Gordon for the Browns emerge this year or that kid Allen from the Chargers. THOSE two are making a statement. I dont see anyone in the roster for Miami or Jets who has or will emerge like that.

Am I wrong?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Explain why comparing them to Jets receiving core is ridiculous?

You basically have two 8-8 teams with young inexperienced QB’s, Two WR who at times flash outstanding catches, but are not demanding double teams or defenses game planning around them.

The supporting WR’s are journeymen or young WR’s themselves who have yet to emerge.

And yes Keller is solid and that was my point.

Since you are the Miami expert, expound on where you see the problems and what would you do? [/quote]

I think Matty and I have touched upon why the comparison isn’t as straight forward as you think a couple of times now.

I also already stated that the problems are our OT and OG positions (for obvious reasons). Honestly I think we are fucked in those regards though. We have the 19th pick and there are enough teams ahead of us who need quality OTs. So assuming the first round OTs are off the board (which I assume they will be) we either take an OG (not a great move) or pick a second round caliber OT (also not the best move). We also don’t have the number of draft picks that we did last year. This prevents us from trading up in the draft (similar to what we did to get Dion Jordan last year) to get a quality OT without giving up something big.

With all that said I do not know what the best course of action is. I am hoping that maybe someone like Cameron Erving (OT from FSU) will fall to us. Our pick will be based a lot on who is still on the board when it gets to us. Luckily its not my job to have to worry about this and make decisions.

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100 percent correct…there is no one that is going to emerge from the current Jet corp of receivers. But to say that the Jets receivers are on par with the fish receivers I cant agree with, Id venture to guess if we had Hartline, Wallace and Clay as our receiving weapons, the Jets are a 10 win team and going to the superbowl. They were so many dropped passes especially in that first pat game.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I have to say…Jets took Stephen Hill over Alshon Jeffrey

ugh

WHOOPS I MEANT PLAYOFFS lol

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
oh and fuck you fish
[/quote]

I was going to give y’all a compliment but something changed my mind.[/quote]

LOL, you know I just couldnt hold back…

In all seriousness though, have you seen enough in Tannehill that you could win with him? Does the last 2 games make you doubt him?
[/quote]
I say he has the same problem as Geno, he is still lacking a #1 wide receiver and a security blanket TE.[/quote]

Come Derek you cant compare Tannehills weapons (Hartline, Clay and Wallace) to the Jets (Kerley, Hill, Holmes) the jets receivers are infinitely worse[/quote]
Out of those three Wallace is a solid #2, the other two really? journeyman

Holmes is = to Wallace in my eyes. Now that I look at it I would say they are actually about the same. [/quote]

Holmes didnt even play this year, 23 catches 450 yards 1 TD, Wallace at least plays, Hartline is a reliable possession receiver, Holmes based on ability can be a very good receiver, but hes a douche[/quote]
I agree on Holmes for sure.

I am just looking from the outside in. I watch most of these games. I do not make my own opinion from watching ESPN highlights and going with what the talking heads say.

You know me Matty in that regard. You see guys like Gordon for the Browns emerge this year or that kid Allen from the Chargers. THOSE two are making a statement. I dont see anyone in the roster for Miami or Jets who has or will emerge like that.

Am I wrong? [/quote]

You are not wrong but I do not think we were trying to argue that. Both teams could benefit from #1 receivers like Gordon or Allen (who wouldn’t?). I just think the Jets and Phins are in two different places in terms of offensive needs.

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WTF is all this non-Seahawks talk.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
WTF is all this non-Seahawks talk. [/quote]

Percy Harvin might be ready soon.

There.

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[quote]bond james bond wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
WTF is all this non-Seahawks talk. [/quote]

Percy Harvin might be ready soon.

There.[/quote]

That would be nice. But they should just sit him if he’s not ready.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-12-30/nfl-playoffs-2014-percy-harvin-injury-update-seahawks-bye-week

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It saddens me that the media circus went from the Jets to my Redskins this year… here’s hoping it goes somewhere far away, like somewhere in Texas…

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
100 percent correct…there is no one that is going to emerge from the current Jet corp of receivers. But to say that the Jets receivers are on par with the fish receivers I cant agree with, Id venture to guess if we had Hartline, Wallace and Clay as our receiving weapons, the Jets are a 10 win team and going to the superbowl. They were so many dropped passes especially in that first pat game.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I have to say…Jets took Stephen Hill over Alshon Jeffrey

ugh

WHOOPS I MEANT PLAYOFFS lol[/quote]

You better hope the Jets don’t sign Emmanuel Sander’s. Dude has a serious case of the dropsies.

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[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Explain why comparing them to Jets receiving core is ridiculous?

You basically have two 8-8 teams with young inexperienced QB’s, Two WR who at times flash outstanding catches, but are not demanding double teams or defenses game planning around them.

The supporting WR’s are journeymen or young WR’s themselves who have yet to emerge.

And yes Keller is solid and that was my point.

Since you are the Miami expert, expound on where you see the problems and what would you do? [/quote]

I think Matty and I have touched upon why the comparison isn’t as straight forward as you think a couple of times now.

I also already stated that the problems are our OT and OG positions (for obvious reasons). Honestly I think we are fucked in those regards though. We have the 19th pick and there are enough teams ahead of us who need quality OTs. So assuming the first round OTs are off the board (which I assume they will be) we either take an OG (not a great move) or pick a second round caliber OT (also not the best move). We also don’t have the number of draft picks that we did last year. This prevents us from trading up in the draft (similar to what we did to get Dion Jordan last year) to get a quality OT without giving up something big.

With all that said I do not know what the best course of action is. I am hoping that maybe someone like Cameron Erving (OT from FSU) will fall to us. Our pick will be based a lot on who is still on the board when it gets to us. Luckily its not my job to have to worry about this and make decisions. [/quote]

Okay fair enough about the WR, I dont agree but no point beating a dead horse.

I also agree on the OT issue. Why was Jake Long let go?

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[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
oh and fuck you fish
[/quote]

I was going to give y’all a compliment but something changed my mind.[/quote]

LOL, you know I just couldnt hold back…

In all seriousness though, have you seen enough in Tannehill that you could win with him? Does the last 2 games make you doubt him?
[/quote]
I say he has the same problem as Geno, he is still lacking a #1 wide receiver and a security blanket TE.[/quote]

Come Derek you cant compare Tannehills weapons (Hartline, Clay and Wallace) to the Jets (Kerley, Hill, Holmes) the jets receivers are infinitely worse[/quote]
Out of those three Wallace is a solid #2, the other two really? journeyman

Holmes is = to Wallace in my eyes. Now that I look at it I would say they are actually about the same. [/quote]

Holmes didnt even play this year, 23 catches 450 yards 1 TD, Wallace at least plays, Hartline is a reliable possession receiver, Holmes based on ability can be a very good receiver, but hes a douche[/quote]
I agree on Holmes for sure.

I am just looking from the outside in. I watch most of these games. I do not make my own opinion from watching ESPN highlights and going with what the talking heads say.

You know me Matty in that regard. You see guys like Gordon for the Browns emerge this year or that kid Allen from the Chargers. THOSE two are making a statement. I dont see anyone in the roster for Miami or Jets who has or will emerge like that.

Am I wrong? [/quote]

You are not wrong but I do not think we were trying to argue that. Both teams could benefit from #1 receivers like Gordon or Allen (who wouldn’t?). I just think the Jets and Phins are in two different places in terms of offensive needs.[/quote]
Oh that I also agree with.

I think what you both see is a huge gap between the WR and my point is that gap is not that far apart.

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“Hartline reminds me of just a guy in shop class in HS. I expect him to wear Wranglers and flannel when he isn’t on the field.”

Hartline reminds me of Brandon Stokley, gets the job done but unless you are a Fins fan you couldnt pick him out of a crowd.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]redstar144 wrote:

[quote]BCFlynn wrote:
Did you guys hear the rumors of Aaron Rogers being in a same sex relationship? I’ve seen it on radar online and another website. [/quote]

Who cares? [/quote]
First of all, who cares?

Secondly, I think that would be awesome! If he was gay and came out as gay it would shock so many people. Arguably the best player in the “manliest” sport out there was gay… It would be so sweet.[/quote]

It would be “so sweet,” huh?[/quote]
It would be.

Could you imagine how bad people would lose their minds to find out that arguably the best player in the manliest sport out there was gay? People would go nuts. It would be hilarious.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
WTF is all this non-Seahawks talk. [/quote]
Who wants to talk about a crappy team full of cheaters who isn’t even playing? :wink:

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Idzik isn’t the type to throw money at FA’s. Outside of Reed, which he did to placate Rex, he wants to go the Sea. way & build through the draft. I can see him possibly making a run at Decker, but I don’t feel he’s a #1. & before they start w/this spending spree, they must cut Holmes, Sanchez, & Cromartie. They have 12 or 18 draft picks. Do you know how many holes that will shore up? Or bundle them & move up… Be a real interesting off season for them.

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BTW, absolutely no comparison between the wr’s corp between the Dolphins & Jets. I like Nelson too, hope they keep him another yr. Both he & Folk.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
WTF is all this non-Seahawks talk. [/quote]
Who wants to talk about a crappy team full of cheaters who isn’t even playing? ;)[/quote]

I know in SF people generally reserve the term “cheaters” for hard nosed, tough players who play the game the way it was meant to be played. So I agree, Seattle is full of those players.

See you in a few weeks.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
WTF is all this non-Seahawks talk. [/quote]

You’ve got the Super Bowl in the bag so what more do you want?