[quote]Aggv wrote:
I Agree with that, but if we get a playmaker; i want a WR. Much less injury risk.
Did the stealers sign mike wallace? I read he wanted crazy money [/quote]
Nope, and yeah, he is crazy.
Do you get the feeling Cincy is waiting in the weeds since free agency started? They have a ton of cash they are able to spend.
The Browns family are Jews but I worry.
We havent done shit in free agency, but i like Randy Lerner better then the Brown family in the nasti that’s for sure.
I would have liked to see them go after Eric Winston since we need help on the O line, but i cant justify spending big on a diva WR; we did sign Donte Stalworth to a big contract and well that worked out…
We gave Cribbs, and Joe Thomas big money so theyre not afraid to spend and keep talent, but we need to get that talent first.
[quote]Viernes wrote:
I like Richardson in Cleveland.
I don’t think the Browns should move around in the draft unless they get some real sexy picks from another team. At #3 they’re definitely in the bridesmaid spot, with no real leverage for someone to get up and get after talent that will be on the board. Not in my opinion anyway.
If Shurmur can run the ball confidently that decreases Colts’ work load, and that’s the best way to see if he’s going to really be a solid QB or not. Bringing in Kahill? I don’t like it.
There are mocks out there that have Blackmon going to the Browns, but do any of you all like that move? I don’t. WR’s value is better found in the later rounds. You draft a first rounder who is only involved in maybe a dozen or so plays per game? Granted, there are game changers out there like Megatron, but how many 1st round WR’s did DET go through to get him? The Cowboys got Bryant but is he really worth a first round pick with what he’s done on the field?
Get Richardson and you have a beast, with a serviceable line he’s going to be all right, especially since Pitt and B-more’s D are getting older.
Fuuuuck I love football.[/quote]
Look around the NFL: the best RBs(with few exceptions) aren’t high picks, and the game is moving towards the ‘stable’ system. I’d take a big threat WR at #4 any day in the current NFL over a RB graded as Richardson is(that is to say: he’s not some absolute can’t miss RB prospect, he’ll probably be a solid back). Running games come from offensive lines now, it’s the truth and the NFL has known it’s the truth since the Broncos of all those years just kept inserting <back’s name here> and churning out 1500 yard rushers. Even if the RB you take at #4 is worth #4 on the field, they all seem to break down so quick now…
Plus, I could see the Browns scraping together a trade for Stewart from Carolina who is apparently on the market now(why the fuck did the Panthers sign Tolbert?).
The only way I’d take Richardson is trading down, which is a risk because Tampa may take him, and then you’re almost assuredly missing out on Blackmon or Claiborne.
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.[/quote]
What about Blackmon at #4 and dont you have a later 1st round pick? You could pick up a right tackle there.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.[/quote]
What about Blackmon at #4 and dont you have a later 1st round pick? You could pick up a right tackle there.
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Blackmon at 4 and Mike Adams at 22 seems to be a fairly realistic possibility(putting Adams at RT). The #22 pick will obviously hinge on what teams end up drafting, these big boards get messed up quick by team needs changing through FA and trades mid-draft.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.[/quote]
What about Blackmon at #4 and dont you have a later 1st round pick? You could pick up a right tackle there.
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Blackmon at 4 and Mike Adams at 22 seems to be a fairly realistic possibility(putting Adams at RT). The #22 pick will obviously hinge on what teams end up drafting, these big boards get messed up quick by team needs changing through FA and trades mid-draft.
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I think sometimes GM’s and owners over think this shit and just should sit at there spots and draft need/best available. I wonder if the Pats will finally just pick what they have and stop moving around the board.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.[/quote]
What about Blackmon at #4 and dont you have a later 1st round pick? You could pick up a right tackle there.
[/quote]
Blackmon at 4 and Mike Adams at 22 seems to be a fairly realistic possibility(putting Adams at RT). The #22 pick will obviously hinge on what teams end up drafting, these big boards get messed up quick by team needs changing through FA and trades mid-draft.
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I think sometimes GM’s and owners over think this shit and just should sit at there spots and draft need/best available. I wonder if the Pats will finally just pick what they have and stop moving around the board.[/quote]
Not that all top10 picks are guaranteed studs, but even missing on so many of them, Detroit has become a playoff team basically by just drafting ‘best available’ at their super high pick every year. people are so quick to ignore all the teams that just stick to their spot, draft what they can, and stockpile good talent(Green Bay, Pitt, looking at you two more than any others). A lot of fans seem to think their organization should copy the Pats, when they seem to be the exception.
But all those moves the Pats have done have kept them relevant an in the hunt but not gotten them a SB. Who knows its still a crap shoot to a point. I would have faith in the Walrus and rebuilding an organization that has been fucked up for so long like the Browns is going to take many years.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.[/quote]
What about Blackmon at #4 and dont you have a later 1st round pick? You could pick up a right tackle there.
[/quote]
Blackmon at 4 and Mike Adams at 22 seems to be a fairly realistic possibility(putting Adams at RT). The #22 pick will obviously hinge on what teams end up drafting, these big boards get messed up quick by team needs changing through FA and trades mid-draft.
[/quote]
I think sometimes GM’s and owners over think this shit and just should sit at there spots and draft need/best available. I wonder if the Pats will finally just pick what they have and stop moving around the board.[/quote]
Not that all top10 picks are guaranteed studs, but even missing on so many of them, Detroit has become a playoff team basically by just drafting ‘best available’ at their super high pick every year. people are so quick to ignore all the teams that just stick to their spot, draft what they can, and stockpile good talent(Green Bay, Pitt, looking at you two more than any others). A lot of fans seem to think their organization should copy the Pats, when they seem to be the exception.[/quote]
Can you blame the Lions for picking the best available? They’re catching fire in a bottle (finally) but they’re also being coached and managed better, and W’s always breed more W’s especially when you’re young.
Since 2007 in the first round they’ve drafted:
'07 Megatron (Millen Pick)
'08 Goster Cherilus (Millen Pick)
'09 Stafford
'10 Suh
'10 Jahvid Best
'11 Nick Fairley
All of whom are on the roster, starting, and contributing. Can’t blame them for finally having some continuity and success.
[quote]Viernes wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.[/quote]
What about Blackmon at #4 and dont you have a later 1st round pick? You could pick up a right tackle there.
[/quote]
Blackmon at 4 and Mike Adams at 22 seems to be a fairly realistic possibility(putting Adams at RT). The #22 pick will obviously hinge on what teams end up drafting, these big boards get messed up quick by team needs changing through FA and trades mid-draft.
[/quote]
I think sometimes GM’s and owners over think this shit and just should sit at there spots and draft need/best available. I wonder if the Pats will finally just pick what they have and stop moving around the board.[/quote]
Not that all top10 picks are guaranteed studs, but even missing on so many of them, Detroit has become a playoff team basically by just drafting ‘best available’ at their super high pick every year. people are so quick to ignore all the teams that just stick to their spot, draft what they can, and stockpile good talent(Green Bay, Pitt, looking at you two more than any others). A lot of fans seem to think their organization should copy the Pats, when they seem to be the exception.[/quote]
Can you blame the Lions for picking the best available? They’re catching fire in a bottle (finally) but they’re also being coached and managed better, and W’s always breed more W’s especially when you’re young.
Since 2007 in the first round they’ve drafted:
'07 Megatron (Millen Pick)
'08 Goster Cherilus (Millen Pick)
'09 Stafford
'10 Suh
'10 Jahvid Best
'11 Nick Fairley
All of whom are on the roster, starting, and contributing (when Healthy). Can’t blame them for finally having some continuity and success.
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[quote]Viernes wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.[/quote]
What about Blackmon at #4 and dont you have a later 1st round pick? You could pick up a right tackle there.
[/quote]
Blackmon at 4 and Mike Adams at 22 seems to be a fairly realistic possibility(putting Adams at RT). The #22 pick will obviously hinge on what teams end up drafting, these big boards get messed up quick by team needs changing through FA and trades mid-draft.
[/quote]
I think sometimes GM’s and owners over think this shit and just should sit at there spots and draft need/best available. I wonder if the Pats will finally just pick what they have and stop moving around the board.[/quote]
Not that all top10 picks are guaranteed studs, but even missing on so many of them, Detroit has become a playoff team basically by just drafting ‘best available’ at their super high pick every year. people are so quick to ignore all the teams that just stick to their spot, draft what they can, and stockpile good talent(Green Bay, Pitt, looking at you two more than any others). A lot of fans seem to think their organization should copy the Pats, when they seem to be the exception.[/quote]
Can you blame the Lions for picking the best available? They’re catching fire in a bottle (finally) but they’re also being coached and managed better, and W’s always breed more W’s especially when you’re young.
Since 2007 in the first round they’ve drafted:
'07 Megatron (Millen Pick)
'08 Goster Cherilus (Millen Pick)
'09 Stafford
'10 Suh
'10 Jahvid Best
'11 Nick Fairley
All of whom are on the roster, starting, and contributing. Can’t blame them for finally having some continuity and success.[/quote]
I’m not ‘blaming’ them, I wasn’t insinuating it was bad, I actually am saying that it’s good strategy. The Browns have traded down from high picks many times now(like they were afraid of drafting another bust), and have nothing to show for it. Meanwhile, another perennially bad team(DET) has decided to just draft up that top5 talent. Sure they hit a few busts as well, but it didn’t stop them from going back to the well. Now that talent has added up, and they have skill on offense, and beef on that D-Line, and made the playoffs.
Too many teams seem to want to be the Patriots, when other good teams do just fine drafting what is available at the spot they are at; that was my main point.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Viernes wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
^ Agreed. If you have a great line and a average QB though a RB can make him look better. AKA Alex Smith[/quote]
It’s not like I want no running game; I have actively tricked myself into believing the Browns will actually pursue a good player through a trade(see Stewart comment in previous post) to address this. I just don’t think Richardson is the back to throw a #4 pick at. To be totally fair I don’t know that Blackmon is a WR worth a #4 either, but if I had to choose I take him. Claiborne does seem worth the pick, but our offense is SO TERRIBLE, that I’m willing to accept not drafting the best available to fill a gaping hole.
If getting Floyd wasn’t a scenario filled with ‘well if that team doesn’t take that guy…’ then I’d be much more comfortable not taking Blackmon.[/quote]
What about Blackmon at #4 and dont you have a later 1st round pick? You could pick up a right tackle there.
[/quote]
Blackmon at 4 and Mike Adams at 22 seems to be a fairly realistic possibility(putting Adams at RT). The #22 pick will obviously hinge on what teams end up drafting, these big boards get messed up quick by team needs changing through FA and trades mid-draft.
[/quote]
I think sometimes GM’s and owners over think this shit and just should sit at there spots and draft need/best available. I wonder if the Pats will finally just pick what they have and stop moving around the board.[/quote]
Not that all top10 picks are guaranteed studs, but even missing on so many of them, Detroit has become a playoff team basically by just drafting ‘best available’ at their super high pick every year. people are so quick to ignore all the teams that just stick to their spot, draft what they can, and stockpile good talent(Green Bay, Pitt, looking at you two more than any others). A lot of fans seem to think their organization should copy the Pats, when they seem to be the exception.[/quote]
Can you blame the Lions for picking the best available? They’re catching fire in a bottle (finally) but they’re also being coached and managed better, and W’s always breed more W’s especially when you’re young.
Since 2007 in the first round they’ve drafted:
'07 Megatron (Millen Pick)
'08 Goster Cherilus (Millen Pick)
'09 Stafford
'10 Suh
'10 Jahvid Best
'11 Nick Fairley
All of whom are on the roster, starting, and contributing. Can’t blame them for finally having some continuity and success.[/quote]
I’m not ‘blaming’ them, I wasn’t insinuating it was bad, I actually am saying that it’s good strategy. The Browns have traded down from high picks many times now(like they were afraid of drafting another bust), and have nothing to show for it. Meanwhile, another perennially bad team(DET) has decided to just draft up that top5 talent. Sure they hit a few busts as well, but it didn’t stop them from going back to the well. Now that talent has added up, and they have skill on offense, and beef on that D-Line, and made the playoffs.
Too many teams seem to want to be the Patriots, when other good teams do just fine drafting what is available at the spot they are at; that was my main point. [/quote]
Have the Patriots even done well with all of their wheeling and dealing? Outside of Hernandez and Gronkowski?
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Have the Patriots even done well with all of their wheeling and dealing? Outside of Hernandez and Gronkowski?
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I think, overall, yes, but perhaps not as directly as you are asking. Over the years, they have had very little turnover in key positions due to this wheeling and dealing. This lack of turnover, combined with decreased salary issues (as a result of not drafting premium draft picks year in and year out), gives them financial leeway to work on trouble spots, when they arise. To that end, I’m interested to see how Belichek deals with his defensive woes.
[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Have the Patriots even done well with all of their wheeling and dealing? Outside of Hernandez and Gronkowski?
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I think, overall, yes, but perhaps not as directly as you are asking. Over the years, they have had very little turnover in key positions due to this wheeling and dealing. This lack of turnover, combined with decreased salary issues (as a result of not drafting premium draft picks year in and year out), gives them financial leeway to work on trouble spots, when they arise. To that end, I’m interested to see how Belichek deals with his defensive woes.
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Good question.
Back in the day it was Vrable, Bruschi, Seau, Harrison… Older dudes who still got it done.
I don’t think that sort of combo exists anymore
[quote]doogie wrote:
LOL!
After all of Miami’s whiffs so far in the offseason I am just relieved we didn’t go after Tebow.
Bizarre really, I don’t have any confidence in the front office there but I think Philbin will do a good job.
Wouldn’t be surprised though if Tannenhill slips past Cleveland at 4 if we trade back to the middle of the first and try and grab him then before Clevelands’ pick at 22.
Tannehill will not get past Miami