^ Nice find. I would not draft the kid in the 1st round, but I also said the same thing about Tebow. After many years now of a lot of college teams running the spread I would be very very careful in drafting a QB from a spread no matter what.
fuck cam newton.
The kid is an athlete and won games in college (didnt play very much big time college ball but had one really good season)
He comes across as not very smart.
He has off the field issues.
He plays in a BS offense that doesnt translate well to the NFL.
Theres a lot of hype about this kid and he’s potentially the number 1 pick.
Sounds a lot like two other high draft pick QB’s recently… Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell… Just sayin
[quote]gregron wrote:
fuck cam newton.
The kid is an athlete and won games in college (didnt play very much big time college ball but had one really good season)
He comes across as not very smart.
He has off the field issues.
He plays in a BS offense that doesnt translate well to the NFL.
Theres a lot of hype about this kid and he’s potentially the number 1 pick.
Sounds a lot like two other high draft pick QB’s recently… Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell… Just sayin[/quote]
MMMMM…
Racist. 
Hahahahahahaha Should have thrown in a white guy.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
fuck cam newton.
The kid is an athlete and won games in college (didnt play very much big time college ball but had one really good season)
He comes across as not very smart.
He has off the field issues.
He plays in a BS offense that doesnt translate well to the NFL.
Theres a lot of hype about this kid and he’s potentially the number 1 pick.
Sounds a lot like two other high draft pick QB’s recently… Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell… Just sayin[/quote]
MMMMM…
Racist. Hahahahahahaha Should have thrown in a white guy. [/quote]
hahahaha I almost put “marinated in mother natures natural night camo” as one of the criteria followed by a smiley face and a lol
no but seriously… I couldnt really think of any recent first rounders that fit those criteria? Tebow, Stafford and Bradford were all off the list cause none of those dudes really had off the field issues or were considered to be functioning retards like the guys i used as examples.
I would love to be able three years from now, bring this topic back up. This class of QB’s suck big harry balls, problem is nobody will remember this. We put it in our rearview and concentrate on the upcoming class. Lets do this since the fucking CBA is making me pissed off. Lets pull the draft from 2007 and see what we get.
1 Oakland Raiders JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Gaines Adams DE Clemson
5 Arizona Cardinals Levi Brown OT Penn State
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
9 Miami Dolphins Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State
10 Houston Texans Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
12 Buffalo Bills Marshawn Lynch RB California
13 St. Louis Rams Adam Carriker NT Nebraska
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
16 Green Bay Packers Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
17 Denver Broncos Jarvis Moss DE Florida
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida
22 Cleveland Browns Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.)
26 Dallas Cowboys Anthony Spencer OLB Purdue
27 New Orleans Saints Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
28 San Francisco 49ers Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
29 Baltimore Ravens Ben Grubbs G Auburn
30 San Diego Chargers Craig Davis WR Louisiana State
31 Chicago Bears Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.)
32 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
^^there are like 3 or 4 studs in there
Think you’re being a hair touchy Greg-Ron. Let us not forget he played in the toughest conference in the country. He won the Heisman. He won a Nat’l championship. He’s a better athlete than both Young & Russel. Outside of playing more shotgun than most, he was running a pro-style O. It’s easy to pick out the negatives. He’s what… 20-21 something along those lines. Maybe all he needs to do is mature a bit & realize w/his natural gifts that work will be required to reach full potential.
All he needs is the rt coach. Now who that is, I’ve no clue. But let’s say he decides to work w/Gruden for the next several months as Tebow did, do you think people will think the same of him?
Lawrence Timmons is developing nicely from 2007 HA! so there.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^there are like 3 or 4 studs in there[/quote]
Yes but look at the only QB’s taken in the first round, both Busts. Weird. My point was we never look back at draft classes we only look for the next big stud.
Print I think the kid has potential, but again 3 years minimum sitting and learning how to be a pro.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^there are like 3 or 4 studs in there[/quote]
I count six.
[quote]print wrote:
Think you’re being a hair touchy Greg-Ron. Let us not forget he played in the toughest conference in the country. He won the Heisman. He won a Nat’l championship. He’s a better athlete than both Young & Russel. Outside of playing more shotgun than most, he was running a pro-style O. It’s easy to pick out the negatives. He’s what… 20-21 something along those lines. Maybe all he needs to do is mature a bit & realize w/his natural gifts that work will be required to reach full potential.
All he needs is the rt coach. Now who that is, I’ve no clue. But let’s say he decides to work w/Gruden for the next several months as Tebow did, do you think people will think the same of him?
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the same exact things were said about Young and Russel! do you not remember that?
Russel played in the SEC as well… Young won the Nation Championship and was number 2 for the Heisman… neither of those players were kicked out of school for theft and lying and look how they turned out? they were both better, character wise, coming out of college than Netwon.
the only real way is to wait and see but if history has showed us anything… Cam Newton isn’t going to do well in the NFL… he wont have a long and productive NFL career.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^there are like 3 or 4 studs in there[/quote]
I count six.
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six studs? Who are they? (not trying to discount you or anything… i’m just curious. There are a lot of teams in the league that I dont really watch regularly so I might be missing people by overlooking O Lineman and what not)
[quote]DJHT wrote:
1 Oakland Raiders JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State BUST
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech STUD
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin STUD
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Gaines Adams DE Clemson RIP
5 Arizona Cardinals Levi Brown OT Penn State AVERAGE
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State AVERAGE
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma STUD
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas AVERAGE
9 Miami Dolphins Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State ? BUST
10 Houston Texans Amobi Okoye DT Louisville BUST
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi STUD
12 Buffalo Bills Marshawn Lynch RB California ? BUST
13 St. Louis Rams Adam Carriker NT Nebraska AVERAGE
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh STUD
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State ABOVE AVERAGE (FOR NOW)
16 Green Bay Packers Justin Harrell DT Tennessee AVERAGE
17 Denver Broncos Jarvis Moss DE Florida BUST
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan AVERAGE
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas AVERAGE
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas AVERAGE
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida BUST
22 Cleveland Browns Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame BUST
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State ABOVE AVERAGE
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.) ABOVE AVERAGE
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.) ABOVE AVERAGE
26 Dallas Cowboys Anthony Spencer OLB Purdue AVERAGE
27 New Orleans Saints Robert Meachem WR Tennessee AVERAGE
28 San Francisco 49ers Joe Staley OT Central Michigan AVERAGE
29 Baltimore Ravens Ben Grubbs G Auburn AVERAGE (GUARDS ARE HARD TO JUDGE HERE)
30 San Diego Chargers Craig Davis WR Louisiana State BELOW AVERAGE
31 Chicago Bears Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.) AVERAGE
32 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State BUSTED AND BROKEN
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Okay to me for first round you have to be a studd in my opinion not average.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^there are like 3 or 4 studs in there[/quote]
Yes but look at the only QB’s taken in the first round, both Busts. Weird. My point was we never look back at draft classes we only look for the next big stud.
Print I think the kid has potential, but again 3 years minimum sitting and learning how to be a pro. [/quote]
I agree. He’s going to have be nurtured a bit. I don’t have a problem w/him sitting either. It’s who he’ll be sitting behind that might be the biggest key.
Lets just mock him as was done much earlier that he falls to Shanny. Do you not think Shanny can’t mold him into something? I don’t know how much confidence I have if McNabb is back, but I think McNabb could tutor him fairly well.
Do I think he’ll be there at 10… no… but at one point that was the early destination.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^there are like 3 or 4 studs in there[/quote]
Yes but look at the only QB’s taken in the first round, both Busts. Weird. My point was we never look back at draft classes we only look for the next big stud.[/quote]
agreed
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^there are like 3 or 4 studs in there[/quote]
I count six.
[/quote]
six studs? Who are they? (not trying to discount you or anything… i’m just curious. There are a lot of teams in the league that I dont really watch regularly so I might be missing people by overlooking O Lineman and what not)[/quote]
Calvin J, Joe T, AP, Patric W, Revis,(homer pick) Timmons.
Beason also. He carries the Panthers D
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^there are like 3 or 4 studs in there[/quote]
I count six.
[/quote]
six studs? Who are they? (not trying to discount you or anything… i’m just curious. There are a lot of teams in the league that I dont really watch regularly so I might be missing people by overlooking O Lineman and what not)[/quote]
Calvin J, Joe T, AP, Patric W, Revis,(homer pick) Timmons. [/quote]
I put my opinion of who is a stud, sorry BJB Timmons has only one year starting last year and he did a decent job but I think this will be the year he “could” pull stud.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
1 Oakland Raiders JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State BUST
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech STUD
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin STUD
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Gaines Adams DE Clemson RIP
5 Arizona Cardinals Levi Brown OT Penn State AVERAGE
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State AVERAGE
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma STUD
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas AVERAGE
9 Miami Dolphins Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State ? BUST
10 Houston Texans Amobi Okoye DT Louisville BUST
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi STUD
12 Buffalo Bills Marshawn Lynch RB California ? BUST
13 St. Louis Rams Adam Carriker NT Nebraska AVERAGE
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh STUD
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State ABOVE AVERAGE (FOR NOW)
16 Green Bay Packers Justin Harrell DT Tennessee AVERAGE
17 Denver Broncos Jarvis Moss DE Florida BUST
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan AVERAGE
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas AVERAGE
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas AVERAGE
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida BUST
22 Cleveland Browns Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame BUST
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State ABOVE AVERAGE
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.) ABOVE AVERAGE
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.) ABOVE AVERAGE
26 Dallas Cowboys Anthony Spencer OLB Purdue AVERAGE
27 New Orleans Saints Robert Meachem WR Tennessee AVERAGE
28 San Francisco 49ers Joe Staley OT Central Michigan AVERAGE
29 Baltimore Ravens Ben Grubbs G Auburn AVERAGE (GUARDS ARE HARD TO JUDGE HERE)
30 San Diego Chargers Craig Davis WR Louisiana State BELOW AVERAGE
31 Chicago Bears Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.) AVERAGE
32 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State BUSTED AND BROKEN
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Okay to me for first round you have to be a studd in my opinion not average.[/quote]
DJ, that’s exactly how I have it rated, right down to the secondary picks lol. I agree with your assesment of Timmons but he is my guy so I rated him as a stud. Joe Thomas is a pain in the ass and will be for many years to come which blows. Bowe is a bit of a headcase. Beason is studish but gets lost in the shuffle.