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[quote]bond james bond wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
1 Oakland Raiders JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State BUST
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech STUD
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin STUD
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Gaines Adams DE Clemson RIP
5 Arizona Cardinals Levi Brown OT Penn State AVERAGE
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State AVERAGE
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma STUD
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas AVERAGE
9 Miami Dolphins Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State ? BUST
10 Houston Texans Amobi Okoye DT Louisville BUST
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi STUD
12 Buffalo Bills Marshawn Lynch RB California ? BUST
13 St. Louis Rams Adam Carriker NT Nebraska AVERAGE
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh STUD
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State ABOVE AVERAGE (FOR NOW)
16 Green Bay Packers Justin Harrell DT Tennessee AVERAGE
17 Denver Broncos Jarvis Moss DE Florida BUST
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan AVERAGE
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas AVERAGE
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas AVERAGE
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida BUST
22 Cleveland Browns Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame BUST
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State ABOVE AVERAGE
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.) ABOVE AVERAGE
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.) ABOVE AVERAGE
26 Dallas Cowboys Anthony Spencer OLB Purdue AVERAGE
27 New Orleans Saints Robert Meachem WR Tennessee AVERAGE
28 San Francisco 49ers Joe Staley OT Central Michigan AVERAGE
29 Baltimore Ravens Ben Grubbs G Auburn AVERAGE (GUARDS ARE HARD TO JUDGE HERE)
30 San Diego Chargers Craig Davis WR Louisiana State BELOW AVERAGE
31 Chicago Bears Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.) AVERAGE
32 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State BUSTED AND BROKEN
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Okay to me for first round you have to be a studd in my opinion not average.[/quote]

DJ, that’s exactly how I have it rated, right down to the secondary picks lol. I agree with your assesment of Timmons but he is my guy so I rated him as a stud. Joe Thomas is a pain in the ass and will be for many years to come which blows. Bowe is a bit of a headcase. Beason is studish but gets lost in the shuffle.

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Yea at this point above average could become stud, Timmons sat the first year and then got hurt the second year. Last year was his only real first year starting. Hard not to have faith in Steelers LB, they have had a couple :).

Beason is the best on that team no doubt, but put him next to Willis? Who would be better?

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
1 Oakland Raiders JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State BUST
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech STUD
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin STUD
4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Gaines Adams DE Clemson RIP
5 Arizona Cardinals Levi Brown OT Penn State AVERAGE
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State AVERAGE
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma STUD
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas AVERAGE
9 Miami Dolphins Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State ? BUST
10 Houston Texans Amobi Okoye DT Louisville BUST
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi STUD
12 Buffalo Bills Marshawn Lynch RB California ? BUST
13 St. Louis Rams Adam Carriker NT Nebraska AVERAGE
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh STUD
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State ABOVE AVERAGE (FOR NOW)
16 Green Bay Packers Justin Harrell DT Tennessee AVERAGE
17 Denver Broncos Jarvis Moss DE Florida BUST
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan AVERAGE
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas AVERAGE
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas AVERAGE
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida BUST
22 Cleveland Browns Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame BUST
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State ABOVE AVERAGE
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.) ABOVE AVERAGE
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.) ABOVE AVERAGE
26 Dallas Cowboys Anthony Spencer OLB Purdue AVERAGE
27 New Orleans Saints Robert Meachem WR Tennessee AVERAGE
28 San Francisco 49ers Joe Staley OT Central Michigan AVERAGE
29 Baltimore Ravens Ben Grubbs G Auburn AVERAGE (GUARDS ARE HARD TO JUDGE HERE)
30 San Diego Chargers Craig Davis WR Louisiana State BELOW AVERAGE
31 Chicago Bears Greg Olsen TE Miami (Fla.) AVERAGE
32 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State BUSTED AND BROKEN
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Okay to me for first round you have to be a studd in my opinion not average.[/quote]

DJ, that’s exactly how I have it rated, right down to the secondary picks lol. I agree with your assesment of Timmons but he is my guy so I rated him as a stud. Joe Thomas is a pain in the ass and will be for many years to come which blows. Bowe is a bit of a headcase. Beason is studish but gets lost in the shuffle.

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Yea at this point above average could become stud, Timmons sat the first year and then got hurt the second year. Last year was his only real first year starting. Hard not to have faith in Steelers LB, they have had a couple :).

Beason is the best on that team no doubt, but put him next to Willis? Who would be better? [/quote]

I think you underrated Olsen. I’d put him above average. Timmons is a stud but I agree he has not performed like it yet. In a 4-3 D he would be a devastating Will, think Derrick Brooks with more speed. The 3-4 is not the ideal fit for him.

I would also give Bowe the stud tag. He was in the bottom third of the first round. That’s a great pick considering what was being taken around him. He has produced close to Megatron’s level as well, and has had similar QB talent supporting him.

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SN, are you saying Timmons would be better suited for a 4-3? I never considered that before. He seems too tall to be a true MLB run stuffer but he does allright. Levon Kirkland was a brick.

Even though I have watched football for most of my life I have never played organized football which leaves me out of the loop with some of you guys here when you get going lol. Alot goes right past me because I have no referance point so to speak.

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I agree on most of those studs, busts etc. i think beason is a stud. ok fine line him up next to willis and what will you get, not a fair question, line up almost any linebacker in the league next to willis and theyre not a stud. does that mean willis is the only stud LB in the league? no it just means he the most studliest.

i think olsen is above average too, not just because im a bears fan haha. if you look at his progression over the years hes really gotten a lot better. hes always been a helluva receiving TE which he is, doesnt get too many looks in our offense but still produces, and it seems like hes really worked hard to improve his blocking. still not a great run blocker but he puts in the effort to get better.

i might label levi brown below average, but i havent really seen him play so ill leave that one up in the air.

as for amobi okoye, yes bust. but hes still really young and im surprised theyre not talking about moving him to a 3-4 DE in their new defense. they are talking about him being a NT which i dont see, i think hes athletic for a big guy and could play 3-4 DE well, but it doesnt seem like hell get a shot. and obviously i know more than all the scouts so ill send a letter and hell be there soon enough.

cam newton made a fool out of himself on ESPN trying to communicate in english. he should refuse to talk until the draft and only throw and run if need be. his throws were nice, but theres lots of guys with a nice arm in the NFL who cant cut it mentally. I also think most of these QB’s are mid to first round picks, but since they are QB’s suddenly theyre bumped up. that ticks me off too, why take someone you know is inferior solely based on a position, stupid, stupid, stupid.

i like mallet a lot for some reason, i think given the right environment he can turn into a good qb for an nfl team. gabbert im up in the air but i like how hes been handling himself. he should cut his hair though.

also im very excited to watch gruden school the rest of these guys, it was great last year and i expect the same this year.

gregron is racist :slight_smile: lol

wall of text, out.

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When I say stud in my mind it is above Pro Bowl (which is a joke now) Olsen has potential no doubt, However when you start naming the top TE in the league he is not in the top tier. Again to me 1st round you got to be the man. Yes Beason is great HOWEVER I will say who else plays on that team? Again I wouldnt bring him up with some of the top LB in the league. I dont see him as being better then Timmons.

Okoye could be a 5 technique in Wades system but I just dont see it he will not draw a double team to keep guards off the LBs. If he couldnt draw a double in a 4-3 he aint going to do it in a 3-4.

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[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
gregron is racist :slight_smile: lol
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ahahah! I guess a guy cant make one comment about a group of good college QB’s who turn out to be shitty NFL Q’s without being labeled a racist these days… lol

Let the record show that I always like Mike Vick… even when he was murdering puppies for fun I still liked him… so HA! That blows your racist argument right out of the water!

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.)
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You guys are way, way too picky. I’d love to have ANY of these ^ players on my team.

Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Darelle Revis, Lawrence Timmons, and Jon Beason are all ELITE-level players. The rest left on there have been consistent and continuous starters since their drafting, most of which are quite-above average - especially Landry, Meriweather, Leon Hall and Jamaal Anderso.

What’s funny is the qualifications of you guys talking about a first rounder needing to be a stud / “elite,” but most draft experts will say that outside the Top 10, if you can get a player who fills the criteria in the paragraph above, you’ve got yourself a pretty good draft pick.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
gregron is racist :slight_smile: lol
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ahahah! I guess a guy cant make one comment about a group of good college QB’s who turn out to be shitty NFL Q’s without being labeled a racist these days… lol

Let the record show that I always like Mike Vick… even when he was murdering puppies for fun I still liked him… so HA! That blows your racist argument right out of the water![/quote]

now youre a puppy hater too?!?!?! what is this coming too? tisk tisk tisk

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with all this qb talk i srsly think that miami will take mallet if they can’t move down in the draft… i think they are warming up to him… they’ve worked him out 3-4 times already as it is…

i think mallet has the talent he might just have the character issues… he reminds me of another ark qb if u guys remember matt jones… monster physical talent… speed and decent hands for a qb turned wr… just had a bit of a coke problem…

if miami can condone some of the character hiccups then i think they take mallet… its a deep rb draft so they can burn a 1st rounder on mallet IMO… mallet’s only weakness is that he has below avg pocket presence… after watching a great immobile qb like marino, peyton, brady… its about how u side step and shift in the pocket… mallet doesn’t do that well at all…

esp with the CBA not done i don’t think miami will be able to move down as easily TBH…

also i am bias but honestly i think tebow just needs a chance to play… he’s 1-2 as a starter and he’s shown that he can get the guys to rally around him… he lead the broncos to a 24-23 victory over houston after being down 17-0… i think he does have accuracy issues but i don’t think that it can’t be ironed out… im not saying tebow will dominate or be great… but he can be an adequate starter for a few years… he has the physical ability he just needs the polish and he’s not gonna get it unless he gets game time… hopefully being around elway will help…

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.)
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You guys are way, way too picky. I’d love to have ANY of these ^ players on my team.

Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Darelle Revis, Lawrence Timmons, and Jon Beason are all ELITE-level players. The rest left on there have been consistent and continuous starters since their drafting, most of which are quite-above average - especially Landry, Meriweather, Leon Hall and Jamaal Anderso.

What’s funny is the qualifications of you guys talking about a first rounder needing to be a stud / “elite,” but most draft experts will say that outside the Top 10, if you can get a player who fills the criteria in the paragraph above, you’ve got yourself a pretty good draft pick.[/quote]

I see you cut a few players off the list there big guy. :slight_smile:

Now here was my point to some of this, WHY do they need to be elite stud players? Cause they were in the old structure getting paid more than veterans who had shown there worth. I know this is changing with the rookie salary cap, however these dudes were getting paid at pro bowl or above type money. I can be picky because they dollar amount they were being paid right out of the box sets them up for that type of scrutiny.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.)
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You guys are way, way too picky. I’d love to have ANY of these ^ players on my team.

Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Darelle Revis, Lawrence Timmons, and Jon Beason are all ELITE-level players. The rest left on there have been consistent and continuous starters since their drafting, most of which are quite-above average - especially Landry, Meriweather, Leon Hall and Jamaal Anderso.

What’s funny is the qualifications of you guys talking about a first rounder needing to be a stud / “elite,” but most draft experts will say that outside the Top 10, if you can get a player who fills the criteria in the paragraph above, you’ve got yourself a pretty good draft pick.[/quote]

I see you cut a few players off the list there big guy. :slight_smile:

Now here was my point to some of this, WHY do they need to be elite stud players? Cause they were in the old structure getting paid more than veterans who had shown there worth. I know this is changing with the rookie salary cap, however these dudes were getting paid at pro bowl or above type money. I can be picky because they dollar amount they were being paid right out of the box sets them up for that type of scrutiny.[/quote]

Come on man, you know the 25th pick in the first round isn’t getting big money. Maybe the top 10, and definitely the top 5, but everyone else isn’t breaking the bank at all. Timmons’ rookie deal had a max value of $15 million over 5 years. That’s including all possible incentives. I doubt he saw much more than $10-11 million.

That’s why I’m saying Bowe is a stud, because he’s nearly as good as Megatron at probaby 10% of the price, if that.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
2 Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
3 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
6 Washington Redskins LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
7 Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
8 Atlanta Falcons Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
11 San Francisco 49ers Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
14 New York Jets Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
15 Pittsburgh Steelers Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
18 Cincinnati Bengals Leon Hall CB Michigan
19 Tennessee Titans Michael Griffin FS Texas
20 New York Giants Aaron Ross CB Texas
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Reggie Nelson FS Florida
23 Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
24 New England Patriots Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
25 Carolina Panthers Jon Beason MLB Miami (Fla.)
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You guys are way, way too picky. I’d love to have ANY of these ^ players on my team.

Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Darelle Revis, Lawrence Timmons, and Jon Beason are all ELITE-level players. The rest left on there have been consistent and continuous starters since their drafting, most of which are quite-above average - especially Landry, Meriweather, Leon Hall and Jamaal Anderso.

What’s funny is the qualifications of you guys talking about a first rounder needing to be a stud / “elite,” but most draft experts will say that outside the Top 10, if you can get a player who fills the criteria in the paragraph above, you’ve got yourself a pretty good draft pick.[/quote]

I see you cut a few players off the list there big guy. :slight_smile:

Now here was my point to some of this, WHY do they need to be elite stud players? Cause they were in the old structure getting paid more than veterans who had shown there worth. I know this is changing with the rookie salary cap, however these dudes were getting paid at pro bowl or above type money. I can be picky because they dollar amount they were being paid right out of the box sets them up for that type of scrutiny.[/quote]

Haha, yeah, I definitely cut some out. I just kept the ones I thought were decent values, even in the first round.

I actually totally agree. The money situation was ludicrous for a while there. JaMarcus had a RIDICULOUS contract and then Matt Stafford has a RIDICULOUS-er contract… and neither have done shit. Matt Stafford could sit on the bench without doing anything the next two years and he’d still make his $40 mil… that’s pathetic.

Yeah, the rookie cap is going to be terrific. I think a standard 3-year deal should be adequate, I can’t help but think (barring any extenuating circumstances) that a team is going to know whether they have an impact player within the first three years, easily.

Although it will still be really “nice” to have a top-10 pick (although realistically, I think teams would rather have the 32nd pick, haha) I believe there will be less pressure put on these young bucks to come in the league and be perennial pro-bowlers right from the get-go. Like I kind of alluded to in the earlier post, it will help gauge the monetary difference between solid players, great players, and the expendables… hopefully.

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Steel nation Okay good point about the money in the lower 1st round they still get paid to much in my opinion but not nearly as bad as the top 10.

I like Bowe but he has had some drop issues and consitency issues first couple of years, last year was his first really kind of break out year. Megatron has had how many QB’s throwing him the ball? I would like to see who gets doubled more him or Bowe? GOD I love football I could talk this shit all day long.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
Steel nation Okay good point about the money in the lower 1st round they still get paid to much in my opinion but not nearly as bad as the top 10.

I like Bowe but he has had some drop issues and consitency issues first couple of years, last year was his first really kind of break out year. Megatron has had how many QB’s throwing him the ball? I would like to see who gets doubled more him or Bowe? GOD I love football I could talk this shit all day long.[/quote]

I will say Bowe was interesting receiver in the regard that he did take a couple years to really come along and start producing at a high level. It does help to have a decent quarterback and team around you to help pick up the slack, as well - including a BEAST of a two-headed running game.

Honestly? I don’t think you can even compare Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Bowe - because CJ is so far beyond him. Again, just my opinion. As a dude whose team has to play against Megatron twice a year, and is forced to watch basically every Lions game every Sunday (way too po’ for Sunday Ticket,) CJ gets double teamed on damn near EVERY play - and still puts up 1200+ receiving yards a year. I really thought he was kind of overrated until I started paying attention to the match-ups week in and week out. Safety support is basically a necessity to make sure this guy doesn’t spring loose, it’s stupid. Too physical, too fast, too big, too strong. Not only this, but like DJHT said, his team is total shit. He’s been in two different systems now and has had, what, 5-6 different quarterbacks throwing to him? lol, that’s just too much.

Like I said, Bowe is REALLY coming along well, in a good offensive system that doesn’t rely on the pass attack, which is very advantageous for a receiver since the secondary is more likely to be caught off-guard keying on the run.

But trying to compare CJ and DB, to me, is like comparing Patrick Willis and Chad Greenway. Sure, he’s a productive and go-to player, but I don’t feel like he’s that next level of “special” good.

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^ Yep couldnt agree more. On a personal level one thing I like about Megatron is you never hear SHIT out of him. NO diva status, no off field issues, guy is fucking pro to the T.

Since you watch Detroit play do you think Stafford will pan out? No history what so ever of injury until this shoulder and now two years in a row. What happens if he fucks it up this year?

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Yep couldnt agree more. On a personal level one thing I like about Megatron is you never hear SHIT out of him. NO diva status, no off field issues, guy is fucking pro to the T. [/quote]

Definitely, and that is something I respect the hell out of. It’s always refreshing to see players from “Diva” positions doing much better than their counterparts (Chad Ochocinco Johnson whocareswhatthehellhislastnameishe’sachumpandanidiot) while maintaining professionalism, class, and dignity. I like that.

This is something I’ve had a tough time with since his drafting. If I had to make a prediction that I would put money on; I’d say he’s not going to pan out. I feel like Stafford is going to end up being a Pennington 2.0. I remember Chad played his ASS off for a few years there, and looked like he was really shaping up to be a formidable QB… but then the injuries.

I’ve seen the same flashes as you when it comes to Stafford, considering he’s played all of (5-6-7) games. I think the kid has a ROCKET arm, a good / studious mentality, and a heart for the game, but some are just too unlucky when it comes to injuries. I fear he’ll be that guy.

For whatever it’s worth, depending on how’s available (I think a CB / linebacker / OL should be Detroit’s primary concern) I think it could be a RIDICULOUS fit for Detroit to draft a Julio Jones or that other guy coming out of Pitt (can’t remember his name.) I really doubt AJ Green would be available at 12. But picture this: Megatron and Julio as your primary two receivers… one who’s 6’5" 240 and one who’s 6’4" 230. Yikes. Add Burleson in the slot and Pettigrew at TE and you have yourself a seriously explosive offense. Hell, I still think Jahved Best can be a stud if his line comes together and he can remain injury-free.

The Bears’ D is something I’m always weary of (the offensive will not be as productive next year,) but I fear no one else in the NFC North like I do Detroit over the next couple years, barring any Charles Rogers-type of drafts. That is a team who’s been quietly rebuilding and plays crazy stout defense who could explode very, very soon.

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^ Schwartz is building a solid team and he is making a hell of a Defense and productive Offense but at some point to be Playoff bound he is going to need a QB? That was why I was asking about Stafford.

Will be interesting to see what the Bears do this year they came out of no where last year. Will Cutler stand the heat he will get for the way he ended the season last year?

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^ i do fear detroit. they are gonna bust out soon so long as they keep up like they are in getting talent and training young guys the right way. very professional team and i like schwartz a lot.

as far as cutler. Im gonna give him the benefit of the dount that he will handle it alright. yes hes kind of a prima dona but sometimes he shows signs of maturity, his gf went into a store in michigan ave and wanted things for free bc of her name they said no she had a hissy fit and ran out. he went in and apologized for her behavior. things like that make me think he has it in him if he sticks with a good mentality. I do feel he gets down way too easily for someone who should be the leader. things go wrong, deal with it and make it right the next time.

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^ Tough call FF, I know for years as Dallas was going through QB’s I wanted to have faith in them. Da Bears are your team and Cutler is the QB so I would be like you and hoping for the best. The kid has talent, but personally last years thing would be hard to take. I still think they need another true WR and a compliment RB for Forte.

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i agree with the QB thing. i want to have hope in him. and with all the negativity going around the city i think im just hoping that he can rally around it and give everyone a big F U. do i think it will happen, meh i dunno, ive been up and down about the guy since we got him so im just in a wait and see place now. needing a WR, sure, what teams cant use a WR. i wouldnt spend a high pick on one, unless something strange happens in the draft. RB we definitely need, why they didnt cut taylor i have no idea. I like to wonder if the kind unga from BYU can be a power back for us. we took him in the supplemental draft after he had sex with a girl from my area at school and thats a no no at byu.

mallett looked good with gruden on espn today. what did you guys think?