[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m still crossing my fingers for Peterson to SF (or miller… But I’d prefer Peterson TBH) [/quote]
Yes please. I also hope we don’t waste a pick on a QB. I’d honestly rather give Smith another shot with Harbaugh coaching him, or make a run at Palmer (yes I’ve given into this option), than touch any of these rookies.
lets say you guys were in the draft room, what would your strategy be?
play it smart with guys who are proven? take the player with limited college production but great upside? would it depend on where youre drafting? best available, position of need?
could be interesting to see everyones different takes on this
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
lets say you guys were in the draft room, what would your strategy be?
play it smart with guys who are proven? take the player with limited college production but great upside? would it depend on where youre drafting? best available, position of need?
could be interesting to see everyones different takes on this[/quote]
I value performance on the field and character off of it far more than I value combine numbers, pro days, or upside.
I’d 100% go with a proven player whose ceiling is an 88/100 than a player with little to no proof but potential that is 95/100 based on combine performance.
JJ Watts for the Cowboys at 9. We need to strenghten our D line, yes we could you some O line but we have some from a few years past that are ready to step up. Our Defense sucked last year and we have to re-tool starting at the front.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
lets say you guys were in the draft room, what would your strategy be?
play it smart with guys who are proven? take the player with limited college production but great upside? would it depend on where youre drafting? best available, position of need?
could be interesting to see everyones different takes on this[/quote]
I value performance on the field and character off of it far more than I value combine numbers, pro days, or upside.
I’d 100% go with a proven player whose ceiling is an 88/100 than a player with little to no proof but potential that is 95/100 based on combine performance.[/quote]
WC are we talking about Gholston again. 
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
lets say you guys were in the draft room, what would your strategy be?
play it smart with guys who are proven? take the player with limited college production but great upside? would it depend on where youre drafting? best available, position of need?
could be interesting to see everyones different takes on this[/quote]
in this case i think it would be best player available based on need of the team but i wouldn’t force a pick…
as far as strategy i think u have to look at upside and level of competition in the conference the guy was playing in… also the system he played in… obviously if he was a 4-3 DE then he might struggle as a 3-4 OLB… there’s so many factors but i think the most important would be determination and motivation and physical structure… u can’t teach a guy how to grow 5" in an offseason just like you can’t teach a guy who doesn’t want to learn the playbook…
i believe in the saying “hardwork beats talent when talent refuses to work hard”… some of my fave players were smaller guys or guys that didn’t have the physical blessings (zach thomas, emmit smith, steve smith (Car), Dan Marino, OJ McDuffie… ) (i know lots of phins)…
^ Okay Vinnie saying all that who would you take if you were the Dolphins?
really depends who’s available… honestly i’d trade down for more picks… im not sold on the qb’s and we need help on the o-line outside of the tackles the guards and center have been swapping back and forth… in addition to that we have no starter in the RB position and need a wr that can stretch the field…
at safety we don’t have much depth and our corners are shaky outside of vontae (sean smith is good but dropped something like 6 int’s last season)… also need help with LB and developing some depth at that position since crowder is oft injured and edds is coming back from a torn acl…
with all that said… if i had to stay with the 15th pick i’d prolli go best available and pick ingram from alabama… downhill runner with some bulk and decent yds after contact… i might be biased but he played in the SEC so u know he’s got talent to put up the numbers he did and also after watching his heisman speech i know the kid’s got a solid head on his shoulders…
only concern of mine would be his injury last season and how for along he is… although he did play his junior year with no issues…
Im just getting caught up with the last few pages, but I think Ingram is going to be an animal. He is a stud on and off the field, I definitely think character counts especially for rookies. He is a workhorse too, so whatever he struggles with, he’ll be a beast at in a few years. I think we’ll he him get a bit of his speed back as well, but he is great at catching and hell even taking direct snaps. Bama averaged double digit yards on wildcat snaps to him or Richardson.
DJ-I would be pretty happy with Watt, but if Peterson is there, I hope to hell they take it (which he wont be).
Vinnie, whats up with Ronnie Brown? Think him and Ingram would work well together?
ronnie tends to shy away from tackles and i don’t see ingram being a “bruiser” type of back… honestly i think ronnie needs to be in a two back system even then he struggles at times… we picked him thinking he was the lesser used back of the auburn’s two headed system but he hasn’t completed but 2 full seasons in 5 years… some of the injuries were freak accidents (broken thumb, lisfranc fracture) but i’m not too high on him… if we can resign him for cheaper then i don’t see why they couldn’t work well together… but if we didn’t resign him i wouldn’t be too upset… he’d be a solid insurance policy for ingram though… but i don’t know if he’ll take 2nd rb money…
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
DJ-I would be pretty happy with Watt, but if Peterson is there, I hope to hell they take it (which he wont be).
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No doubt if some unkown reason Peterson was there at 9 would be a no brainer, but that kid is going top 5 easy.
Moving the Chains on serius are really high on JJ Watt and have said that him in Dallas would be a great fit for both. I think also in the second round we need to grab a back up to push Ratliff, I dont care what people say he had a very down year. I dont want my nose guard getting sacks, could give a shit about that. We need pressure up the middle and stop the fucking run period.
I think Watt to dallas would be a real good pick. On top of producing real well in the big 10, say what you want they do have good competition, he seems like a good character guy which dallas could always use. i bet hell even wear his pants at his waist!!
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
I think Watt to dallas would be a real good pick. On top of producing real well in the big 10, say what you want they do have good competition, he seems like a good character guy which dallas could always use. i bet hell even wear his pants at his waist!! [/quote]
hahahahaha why cause he is a cracker?
Lets just hope Dez gets his head out of his ass and runs the straight and narrow.
At least it is not like our past WR who love to snort coke off hookers ass.
vinnie thanks for that, I don’t follow Miami too much but I was aware he had some injury concerns. Him and Ingram could be a dirty tandem.
DJ who do you think will be there to draft to give Ratliff a push? I’m with you- we got no pressure up the middle, dware had a solid season all things considered, but we gotta stop the run so our weak secondary has a chance at all
[quote]DJHT wrote:
At least it is not like our past WR who love to snort coke off hookers ass.[/quote]
Pshh as if thats a bad thing. hahahaa Irvin is a trip. Dj have you read “Boys Will be Boys”? Its a great read and talks a lot about the partying and what not, pretty nuts
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
At least it is not like our past WR who love to snort coke off hookers ass.[/quote]
Pshh as if thats a bad thing. hahahaa Irvin is a trip. Dj have you read “Boys Will be Boys”? Its a great read and talks a lot about the partying and what not, pretty nuts[/quote]
Nope when I read books I tend to stick to fantasy and fiction. Only non-fiction I have read lately is “take your eyes of the ball” by Pat Kirwin. I listen to him every day and love his show.
How about the kid who got the most reps on bench this year? I got to look up more DL interior guys. I have been slacking and listening to the media hype.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
vinnie thanks for that, I don’t follow Miami too much but I was aware he had some injury concerns. Him and Ingram could be a dirty tandem.
DJ who do you think will be there to draft to give Ratliff a push? I’m with you- we got no pressure up the middle, dware had a solid season all things considered, but we gotta stop the run so our weak secondary has a chance at all[/quote]
Here is where we start to scout.
Theres so much damn talent on that side of the ball in this draft
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Theres so much damn talent on that side of the ball in this draft[/quote]
I have heard good things about the kid from Temple. Him or Iron Head Heywards kid would be awesome.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
At least it is not like our past WR who love to snort coke off hookers ass.[/quote]
Pshh as if thats a bad thing. hahahaa Irvin is a trip. Dj have you read “Boys Will be Boys”? Its a great read and talks a lot about the partying and what not, pretty nuts[/quote]
Nope when I read books I tend to stick to fantasy and fiction. Only non-fiction I have read lately is “take your eyes of the ball” by Pat Kirwin. I listen to him every day and love his show.
How about the kid who got the most reps on bench this year? I got to look up more DL interior guys. I have been slacking and listening to the media hype.
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whoa whoa whoa DJ, if i remember correctly you were ragging on paea earlier in this thread when i said he was possibly a late first early second round pick, and you were all no way that guy sucks!!! yano something like that haha.
as far as if you guys are looking for a NT, i say you snag jerrelle powe the kid from ole miss, real late in the draft. hell hang around for sure, hell i dont even know if he will get drafted. But i think he wouldnt be a bad person to groom under ratliff. hes just real big and had some solid production in college. the boys wont spend a high pick on a NT, now replacing igor is obviously going to happen, with all the watt talk and the like, but they seem to be real high on ratliff so i dont see mony going to a NT early.
