^^^ Holy shit, wall of text. You can tell I get excited by the draft.
For whatever it’s worth, I can’t wait until Trent Richardson goes Pro. I like Mark Ingram fine, but Richardson runs with an unholy anger that I LOVE/(hate to watch against UF…)
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Okay and how will Ingram do in the NFL?
With the possible rookie salary cap I think Peterson could go in the top 5.
I hate how every year you get certain players who play the top 5 postitions getting pushed to the top just out of media hype. Good NFL managers and owners dont listen to the BS, but if you are picking in the top 10 year in and out those GMs and Owners maybe do.[/quote]
Ooh, love draft talk (I’m sure I missed some earlier though…)
Mark Ingram, I believe, can be a reliable back. Nothing outstanding or extraordinary. If I had to take a best-guess as to what kind of role he’ll play in the NFL… I can’t help but see him in the same way I’d look at Knowshon Moreno or Beanie Wells. Probably not good to enough to be a feature back, but in the right system and the correct support can be a runner who’s good to average 4 or so yards a carry. Great vision, good speed and pretty good strength. He’ll be okay, barring injuries.
Quick run-through of my opinions for some draft coverage - And I’d love to hear your guys’ too. It’s kind of weird, but the Draft is what I do. Obviously we all love the season and the Super Bowl but I usually get pretty damn excited afterwards because I know the Draft is coming, lol.
Blaine Gabbert - Hyped up because the media needs to set a “surefire” #1. I don’t buy it. I think this is a mid-low level 1st rounder who has done just enough to warrant some talks from draft ‘experts’ about him being the #1.
Cam Newton - This is the hot topic, yes. I’ll go ahead and put him in the same category as Blaine Gabbert (mid-late 1st round IMO) but has a much higher upside than Gabbert. His arm isn’t the most accurate, but he ran an extremely simple 1-read offense in college and who knows how his knowledge will translate to the NFL.
Marcel Darius / Nick Fairley - I’m straight bias on this one. Although I’m a large proponent of defensive picks and, incidentally the 3-4, I find assigning an EARLY 1st round pick to a DT to be extremely dumb. Granted, I do believe both of these would be DTs that would play in a 4-3 scheme, but it’s really hard for me to see the defensive tack as being an important enough position to warrant such accolades for. Traditionally, other than a Warren Sapp here or there, DTs aren’t the best picks early in the draft… IMO.
Da’Quan Bowers - I don’t think I have enough knowledge about him to really speculate. I know I’m not a fan of defensive lineman coming out of the ACC (offensive linemen = good) though.
Patrick Peterson - As I said, barring some crazy injury, I do believe this will be our perennial Pro Bowler / HoF’er down the line.
Von Miller - Primarily as an OLB, I love him. For the love of God, I hope no team wastes his talent by slapping him at DE. He’s too fast and too reactive across the field to have him locked down on the line. I like this guy wherever he plays, but I LOVE him as an outside in a 3-4 scheme. Imagine him playing next to Patrick Willis… shudders
Julio Jones / AJ Green - Either one of these WRs are studs to the brim. They are big, fast, strong, and nasty. Anyone who gets these guys is going to have a good time. I’d still give a slight nod to Julio, though - just by what I saw in college. To be fair, though, AJ Green normally had much less to work with at QB than JJ.
Prince Amukamara - Good, solid CB. I really like some of the athletes Nebraska’s had the last few years, and I know that Ndamakong was hyping this guy up. He’ll be a great CB in the league, but I don’t think he’ll ever be an unflinching “Don’t throw it to his side” kinda guy. I’m thinking more like a Dunta Robinson or Jabari Greer. Very, very good players with above-average skills, but not one of the greats in the league.
Other than that, my knowledge starts to become more hit-and-miss and murky.
Thoughts, feedback, your opinions?[/quote]
^ We tend to agree on this subject I love the draft myself, how do you like the new format? I personally hate it, I loved Sat and Sun with a big BBQ on Saturday.
IMO this is the worst QB draft in a few years, this guys are all projects (with talent of course) but no step in day one and lead your team franchize for the next 10 years. PERIOD.
Ingram lost a bit last year, but I think he was recovering from the knee scope. He just did not get back in the groove, I look for him to have a productive year if he goes to Miami or a run based team. Agree on Richardson.
Fairley is hype IMO, he plays to high and show boats to much, NFL interior lineman will dominate this kid. Darius is a beast somewhere between McCoy and Suh. I agree unless they are a Sapp or Suh (you have to include this kid now in the comparison to Sapp, I know its early).
Peterson plays like Revis and I agree, same with Prince.
The two WR agree could have 50 catch years in there first year if on the right team.
Bowers Hype unless he can go to a team that can really coach him up. Not consistent.
Von Miller and Peterson will come out of this draft as being the best dynamic players long term barring injury of course. With Darius being close behind.
Weak offensive player year. If Cam sat behind a probowler veteren QB for 3 years then he may end up being the next Vick or Rogers. If he starts next year he will be a bust.
Yea I’m huge into the draft as well, it would be to much if I typed out all of my thoughts as I’ve reviewed almost every prospect in the draft (gotta love ESPN Insider).
As long as the 49ers get a CB,DE, and OLB in the draft, I’ll be happy.
I’d love Peterson in the first.
i agree with loving the draft. once the season ends its like a whole other sporting season starts for me in the offseason i love it.
ingram- i really think he has what it takes to be a #1 back in the NFL. he runs hard. He was coming off the knee thing and had richardson behind him who is a stud of studs, but i do think as long as ingram is at 100% he can be a starting RB for years in the NFL.
As far as your take in DL, im gonna have to disagree. for many defenses it starts with the DL. for instance, i will use my team the chicago bears here. We run primarily a cover 2 and with that dont blitz much, except when rivera was our DC and it worked great. but anywho the base of this defense is around the line putting pressure on the qb. if you dont have a DL who can take a double team as well as a DT who can push up the middle, followed by pass rush from the corners no matter how good the rest of your defense is, you will get beat. if the Qb has all day someone will get open. now if the pressures on obviously he wont have much time.
now i realize that seems like all defenses need pressure form the line, duh! but i hope i was able to get my point across there?
HATE the new system, was all about BBQ and beer like DJ.
QB’s- mediocre class. I believe some of them can become solid down the road, none of them are day 1 starters and if they are forced to start on day 1 i think that will greatly diminish their chances of being productive down the road.
thats all ive got for now, possibly to be continued…
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
ingram- i really think he has what it takes to be a #1 back in the NFL. he runs hard. He was coming off the knee thing and had richardson behind him who is a stud of studs, but i do think as long as ingram is at 100% he can be a starting RB for years in the NFL.[/quote]
I agree with this, and disagree with SSC.
I think Ingram is going to be a stud in the NFL. If you’ve ever seen an interview or conversation with him, you know that he is extremely intense and 100% dedicated to being dominant on the field, and that is one of the most important parts of a great player.
He also won the Heisman as a running back in the SEC, which is pretty big achievement. I think draft lovers tend to overlook him because he’s not throwing up sub 4.3 40’s or hitting 35+ reps on the bench. He reminds me a lot of Frank Gore.
Incredible work ethic/level of dedication + Heisman Trophy in the SEC?
I’ll take it in the top 20 picks for sure.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ We tend to agree on this subject I love the draft myself, how do you like the new format? I personally hate it, I loved Sat and Sun with a big BBQ on Saturday.[/quote]
I really am not a fan. I was much angrier about it last year, since it was hard for me to get a Saturday and Sunday off (or Fri/Sat, whatever it is.) Not so much an issue now, but I still liked just having “draft day.” 
I agree, and I understand what you mean. I think Suh was one of those extraordinary DTs that’s come out. I look at Glenn Dorsey, Gerald McCoy, and Sedrick Ellis who were taken early and were… okay. I mean, I know that’s going to happen with any position. I feel like with this particular draft class, though, these DTs are being thrust higher than they should because the class as a whole is kind of weak.
Fairley was pretty inconsistent and as someone else mentioned (sorry,) he definitely took plays off during the year. I understand the need for DT, definitely (my Pack plays the 3-4… you can’t run that without a legitimate 300+ nosetackle.) I know Ron Rivera is a 4-3 guy, but I just can’t help but see Carolina’s pass defense last year and not see a !!!cornerback!!! sign, haha.
I’m excited, though. It is making out to be a pretty interesting draft indeed.
I can agree with certain DL getting put higher due to an overall weak class. It seems that a lot of this class is based off of top end potential- which most are but you have guys like the clemson kid, knee issues but “GREAT UPSIDE”, the unc lineman and the kid from illinois. (forgive me ive been studying pulmonology all fucking day and cant think of names for the life of me right now). that they are basing off of 1 decent year or stats.
then there seems to be a lot of steady guys who will produce for a long time at the nfl level but dont have that “potential” to be HOFers. wisconsin DE, purdue kid, studs both of em, but people dont think they can be those great great players. Which in a way i disagree with because lets say you have a guy who is going to produce consistently for 10 years and be a starting lineman with no worries in that timeframe of having to produce him, seems like a better choice to me than the guy that maybe hell give you 15 sacks one year but then you need to replace him after that because he cant sustain said potential.
edit: bowers, watt, kerrigan, austin those are some of the names i couldnt think of, i was going to bed and thought of some and wanted to redeem part of my post haha
SSC wrote Here’s another thing I thought of… can you remember a draft class yielding less sure-fire OL prospects? There’s some guys who are falling in the 10-20 range, but there’s no Joe Thomas or Jake Long. Even guys like Clady, Bulaga and stuff were pretty well touted. Not so much this year. 
Couldnt agree more, this year is all Defense, line etc.
Ingram is a stud but again where does he go? What scheme will draft him? How quick will he pick up pass blocking? Coming out of a pro offense will help but if he goes somewhere with a shity line can he still produce?
Would be great if all the QB’s got pushed down to there true spots this year?
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Ingram is a stud but again where does he go? What scheme will draft him? How quick will he pick up pass blocking? Coming out of a pro offense will help but if he goes somewhere with a shity line can he still produce?[/quote]
Definitely, this is a huge X-Factor. I’ve seen all sorts of crazy projections for Ingram this year. Somehow he has been REALLY under the radar this whole off-season. Good for him, in that regard. I think he’s probably really pro-ready having played under Saban. Say what you want, the guy can coach fooball. I know that he likes using his backs to be effective blockers, so I don’t see that being too tricky of a switch to the NFL for him.
The only question mark I actually have about Ingram is his overall speed. His quickness is fine, and he’s intense and hits the hole hard. But the injury seemed to have slowed him down just a fraction last year. I just can’t help but see Darren McFadden running around EVERYONE in college and then getting to the NFL and kind of seeing that, yeah, everyone is as fast as you now too. Hahaha.
I actually like Ingram, and hope he has a good career, for whatever it’s worth.
God, wouldn’t that be great? It’s really nice to know that we’re not going to have any more Staffords (70 mil, 40 mil guaranteed) after the CBA goes through. That’s just outrageous.
Best argument I use and hear about the NFL top 5 picks, What profession does the new hire get more than everyone else in the company?
The rookie cap is a great idea and should have been in place a long time ago.
I’m still crossing my fingers for Peterson to SF (or miller… But I’d prefer Peterson TBH)
^ Who is the DC for 49rs?
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Who is the DC for 49rs?[/quote]
It’s Vic Fangio now… He was the DC at Stanford with Harbaugh last year
Has he DC’d in the NFL?
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Has he DC’d in the NFL?[/quote]
Yeah he was… From '95-'05 he DCed with the Panthers, Colts and Texans
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[quote]DJHT wrote:
Has he DC’d in the NFL?[/quote]
Yeah he was… From '95-'05 he DCed with the Panthers, Colts and Texans[/quote]
I thought the name sounded familiar, so it is really not what you OR WC think they should do but what he thinks.
I remember watching a couple of Stanford games where was there strength on Defence?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Has he DC’d in the NFL?[/quote]
Yeah he was… From '95-'05 he DCed with the Panthers, Colts and Texans[/quote]
Uh oh. I really hope (for your sake) he’s a 3-4 guy. I don’t know why they’d switch a 4-3 with the personnel they have, though.
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Has he DC’d in the NFL?[/quote]
Yeah he was… From '95-'05 he DCed with the Panthers, Colts and Texans[/quote]
Uh oh. I really hope (for your sake) he’s a 3-4 guy. I don’t know why they’d switch a 4-3 with the personnel they have, though.[/quote]
Most teams now run hybrids anyway SSC, listen to guys talking about it all the time on the radio. Even 4-3 teams run 3-4 packages, NFL now is all about doing it all.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Has he DC’d in the NFL?[/quote]
Yeah he was… From '95-'05 he DCed with the Panthers, Colts and Texans[/quote]
Uh oh. I really hope (for your sake) he’s a 3-4 guy. I don’t know why they’d switch a 4-3 with the personnel they have, though.[/quote]
Most teams now run hybrids anyway SSC, listen to guys talking about it all the time on the radio. Even 4-3 teams run 3-4 packages, NFL now is all about doing it all.[/quote]
he is a 3-4 guy. We’re just going to have to see how things go this year.
SSC was talking about ingrams speed, which yes i agree he may have lost a step, but i think he has the quickness, strength, smarts, intangibles to not have to rely on speed to be an effective back in the NFL. Sure speed helps but i think it is tremendously overrated.