[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Gerhart still has not produced for the Vikings and probably will not due to being WHITE. 
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gerhart was a stud in highschool (played a few towns over from mine) and when we had those bad fires they had to cancel/reschedule a bunch of games. at one point he played 3 games in 12 days (something like that) and rushed for over 1,000 yardsā¦ so crazy.
also heās been using since highschoolā¦ no wonder heās so good lol[/quote]
Bad Boy
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Gerhart still has not produced for the Vikings and probably will not due to being WHITE.
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gerhart was a stud in highschool (played a few towns over from mine) and when we had those bad fires they had to cancel/reschedule a bunch of games. at one point he played 3 games in 12 days (something like that) and rushed for over 1,000 yardsā¦ so crazy.
also heās been using since highschoolā¦ no wonder heās so good lol[/quote]
Bad Boy[/quote]
Iām definitely not a āhaterā about people who use PEDsā¦ I have my own opinions about that buuuuuuut I played ball in highschool with Tobys cousinā¦ Thatās how I āknowā about it. (still hearsay but a pretty credible source)
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Gerhart still has not produced for the Vikings and probably will not due to being WHITE.
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gerhart was a stud in highschool (played a few towns over from mine) and when we had those bad fires they had to cancel/reschedule a bunch of games. at one point he played 3 games in 12 days (something like that) and rushed for over 1,000 yardsā¦ so crazy.
also heās been using since highschoolā¦ no wonder heās so good lol[/quote]
Bad Boy[/quote]
Iām definitely not a āhaterā about people who use PEDsā¦ I have my own opinions about that buuuuuuut I played ball in highschool with Tobys cousinā¦ Thatās how I āknowā about it. (still hearsay but a pretty credible source)[/quote]
I dont doubt it but honestly at the RB position you either cut it in the NFL or you dont. I really do not think there is a way to force that postition. Look at how many RB there are in the league today, most teams have a two back system. The kid was a stud in College no doubt and with time he may end up a good FULLBACK, cause that is the only way that cracker is going to play.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Gerhart still has not produced for the Vikings and probably will not due to being WHITE.
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gerhart was a stud in highschool (played a few towns over from mine) and when we had those bad fires they had to cancel/reschedule a bunch of games. at one point he played 3 games in 12 days (something like that) and rushed for over 1,000 yardsā¦ so crazy.
also heās been using since highschoolā¦ no wonder heās so good lol[/quote]
Bad Boy[/quote]
Iām definitely not a āhaterā about people who use PEDsā¦ I have my own opinions about that buuuuuuut I played ball in highschool with Tobys cousinā¦ Thatās how I āknowā about it. (still hearsay but a pretty credible source)[/quote]
I dont doubt it but honestly at the RB position you either cut it in the NFL or you dont. I really do not think there is a way to force that postition. Look at how many RB there are in the league today, most teams have a two back system. The kid was a stud in College no doubt and with time he may end up a good FULLBACK, cause that is the only way that cracker is going to play.[/quote]
Gregron the queen of gossip? Come on, your better than that. Everyone stirs up rumors about PED use about people that are doing well. Do I have any idea if he did or didnāt? Not at all, but unless youāve seen it with your own eyes, I think you should take the high road and keep your mouth shut.
Also, Tobyās situation on the Vikings is pretty far from ideal in terms of putting up sick numbers early on. Heās sitting behind one of the top backs in the entire league and playing on a team that has zero passing attack.
Maybe heāll never cut it in the NFL, but the kid put up at every level before that, so I think heās earned a little more time to impress.
^ WC that was what I was getting at, not commenting on the PED.
In the NFL today rookie RBās can step in and produce quickly with the way the Vikings season went last year he had the chance to produce. I like the kid and was actually cheering for him. BUT after watching him in games, he doesnt have it yet. MAYBE with time, but no CBA, no off season and maybe a rushed start of the season. Kid better learn how to pass block and run block cause that is his only chance to get on the field. LeRon McCalain for Baltimore comes to mind, when he had to step up in the Tailback spot he produced.
I wasnāt trying to say he was a stud in highschool and college cause of PEDs and now with strict testing in the NFL heās not dong greatā¦ I think heās not doing great because the Vikings line was pretty bad last yearā¦ Oh yeah and cause he is behind AP on the friggin depth chart!
Also Gerhart is a guy that gets tonsof touches and wears teams downā¦ The NFL doesnāt really do that anymore
^ Greg watched most of the games last year, he did not hit the hole quick enough. Half the time was running up the back of the lineman. In the NFL at this level these guys have to hit the hole to within an inch to be able to produce, so he is either to slow or lacks vision. He is not a Chris Johnson that can bounce and out run anyone, so he has to be like a Adrian Foster type back.
Actual football talk?
Iāve gotta agree with DJ that at RB you typically see the skill right away. The first time Bradshaw stepped on the field for the Giants he was making people look silly with sick moves.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Greg watched most of the games last year, he did not hit the hole quick enough. Half the time was running up the back of the lineman. In the NFL at this level these guys have to hit the hole to within an inch to be able to produce, so he is either to slow or lacks vision. He is not a Chris Johnson that can bounce and out run anyone, so he has to be like a Adrian Foster type back. [/quote]
A white Jerome Bettis lol
[quote]gregron wrote:
I wasnāt trying to say he was a stud in highschool and college cause of PEDs and now with strict testing in the NFL heās not dong greatā¦ I think heās not doing great because the Vikings line was pretty bad last yearā¦ Oh yeah and cause he is behind AP on the friggin depth chart!
Also Gerhart is a guy that gets tonsof touches and wears teams downā¦ The NFL doesnāt really do that anymore[/quote]
Yea I just hate it when people speculate. I worked my ass off on the field and in the weight room to make sure I started all four years when I played lacrosse in college, and never touched a PED. The bigger I got, the more youād hear random scrubs be like, āheās gotta be on something, look at himā.
Iām sure any of you who are in great shape and stand out have heard people whisper the same things. I just hate speculation, you either know or your donāt. /EndRant
As far as Gerhart from a football perspective, part of me thinks he needs more time but part of me thinks that he around inferior athletes most of the time in the Pac-10, and that is surely not the case anymore now that heās in the NFL.
^Where did you play WC? I was at the U. of Md. in early early early 80ās. I donāt hardly understand the game anymore w/these longstick men going in on face-offs & the such. Before you ask, yes I did play w/aluminum sticks. Though my first stick was all wood, including head. <ā no sexual reference meant.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
As far as Gerhart from a football perspective, part of me thinks he needs more time but part of me thinks that he around inferior athletes most of the time in the Pac-10, and that is surely not the case anymore now that heās in the NFL.[/quote]
Bingo. Iām a big fan of the āRon Daneā running style, because of its additional ramifications. But the fact is that itās never going to produce stats, especially when youāre playing second fiddle. Toby Gearhart does what he does well, but itās a pretty limited role and heād be better solve splitting time between FB and some packages at tailback.
Can anybody think of a more polarizing figure leading up to an NFL draft than Cam Newton?
Itās insane to think that some experts are saying that he should definitely go number one overall while others are saying he shouldnāt even go in the first round. I can think of anybody like that in recent historyā¦
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Can anybody think of a more polarizing figure leading up to an NFL draft than Cam Newton?
Itās insane to think that some experts are saying that he should definitely go number one overall while others are saying he shouldnāt even go in the first round. I can think of anybody like that in recent historyā¦[/quote]
Tebow was pretty controversial. But not naturally as much so, considering he was never in the Top 10 talks.
IDK. I may be bias because Iām much more defensively oriented, but having seen Patrick Peterson play year in and year out I do believe he is the sure-fire, without a doubt, most likely to be a perennial Pro-Bowler of anyone Iāve seen this year. His instincts and physical skill sets are unreal.
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
As far as Gerhart from a football perspective, part of me thinks he needs more time but part of me thinks that he around inferior athletes most of the time in the Pac-10, and that is surely not the case anymore now that heās in the NFL.[/quote]
Bingo. Iām a big fan of the āRon Daneā running style, because of its additional ramifications. But the fact is that itās never going to produce stats, especially when youāre playing second fiddle. Toby Gearhart does what he does well, but itās a pretty limited role and heād be better solve splitting time between FB and some packages at tailback.[/quote]
What exactly is the Ron Dayne style of running? Falling down when someone touches your toe? Running into the back of your linemen and falling down?
[quote]Wilba wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
As far as Gerhart from a football perspective, part of me thinks he needs more time but part of me thinks that he around inferior athletes most of the time in the Pac-10, and that is surely not the case anymore now that heās in the NFL.[/quote]
Bingo. Iām a big fan of the āRon Daneā running style, because of its additional ramifications. But the fact is that itās never going to produce stats, especially when youāre playing second fiddle. Toby Gearhart does what he does well, but itās a pretty limited role and heād be better solve splitting time between FB and some packages at tailback.[/quote]
What exactly is the Ron Dayne style of running? Falling down when someone touches your toe? Running into the back of your linemen and falling down?[/quote]
LOL, too funny. Ron Dayne was a bad example - Jerome Bettis as someone else said works.
lol if might as well just say curtis enis while youre at it!!!
i did understand what you were saying though
Thoughts this was funny, reminded me of The Office episode where Michael emails the picture of his girlfriend in Jamaica to all of the warehouse employees by accident:
The Lions decision to disclose all the players theyāve hosted for pre-draft workouts this spring came as a result of a clerical error.
Somehow, when the Lions were attempting to send their list of pre-draft visits to the league office, which is required, they ended up emailing the list to every team. So they didnāt decide to tell the whole world they had worked out players like Aldon Smith in a noble stab at transparency, but because they accidentally hit āsend all.ā
-Roto World
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
As far as Gerhart from a football perspective, part of me thinks he needs more time but part of me thinks that he around inferior athletes most of the time in the Pac-10, and that is surely not the case anymore now that heās in the NFL.[/quote]
Bingo. Iām a big fan of the āRon Daneā running style, because of its additional ramifications. But the fact is that itās never going to produce stats, especially when youāre playing second fiddle. Toby Gearhart does what he does well, but itās a pretty limited role and heād be better solve splitting time between FB and some packages at tailback.[/quote]
What exactly is the Ron Dayne style of running? Falling down when someone touches your toe? Running into the back of your linemen and falling down?[/quote]
LOL, too funny. Ron Dayne was a bad example - Jerome Bettis as someone else said works.[/quote]
Okay and how will Ingram do in the NFL?
With the possible rookie salary cap I think Peterson could go in the top 5.
I hate how every year you get certain players who play the top 5 postitions getting pushed to the top just out of media hype. Good NFL managers and owners dont listen to the BS, but if you are picking in the top 10 year in and out those GMs and Owners maybe do.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Okay and how will Ingram do in the NFL?
With the possible rookie salary cap I think Peterson could go in the top 5.
I hate how every year you get certain players who play the top 5 postitions getting pushed to the top just out of media hype. Good NFL managers and owners dont listen to the BS, but if you are picking in the top 10 year in and out those GMs and Owners maybe do.[/quote]
Ooh, love draft talk (Iām sure I missed some earlier thoughā¦)
Mark Ingram, I believe, can be a reliable back. Nothing outstanding or extraordinary. If I had to take a best-guess as to what kind of role heāll play in the NFLā¦ I canāt help but see him in the same way Iād look at Knowshon Moreno or Beanie Wells. Probably not good to enough to be a feature back, but in the right system and the correct support can be a runner whoās good to average 4 or so yards a carry. Great vision, good speed and pretty good strength. Heāll be okay, barring injuries.
Quick run-through of my opinions for some draft coverage - And Iād love to hear your guysā too. Itās kind of weird, but the Draft is what I do. Obviously we all love the season and the Super Bowl but I usually get pretty damn excited afterwards because I know the Draft is coming, lol.
Blaine Gabbert - Hyped up because the media needs to set a āsurefireā #1. I donāt buy it. I think this is a mid-low level 1st rounder who has done just enough to warrant some talks from draft āexpertsā about him being the #1.
Cam Newton - This is the hot topic, yes. Iāll go ahead and put him in the same category as Blaine Gabbert (mid-late 1st round IMO) but has a much higher upside than Gabbert. His arm isnāt the most accurate, but he ran an extremely simple 1-read offense in college and who knows how his knowledge will translate to the NFL.
Marcel Darius / Nick Fairley - Iām straight bias on this one. Although Iām a large proponent of defensive picks and, incidentally the 3-4, I find assigning an EARLY 1st round pick to a DT to be extremely dumb. Granted, I do believe both of these would be DTs that would play in a 4-3 scheme, but itās really hard for me to see the defensive tack as being an important enough position to warrant such accolades for. Traditionally, other than a Warren Sapp here or there, DTs arenāt the best picks early in the draftā¦ IMO.
DaāQuan Bowers - I donāt think I have enough knowledge about him to really speculate. I know Iām not a fan of defensive lineman coming out of the ACC (offensive linemen = good) though.
Patrick Peterson - As I said, barring some crazy injury, I do believe this will be our perennial Pro Bowler / HoFāer down the line.
Von Miller - Primarily as an OLB, I love him. For the love of God, I hope no team wastes his talent by slapping him at DE. Heās too fast and too reactive across the field to have him locked down on the line. I like this guy wherever he plays, but I LOVE him as an outside in a 3-4 scheme. Imagine him playing next to Patrick Willisā¦ shudders
Julio Jones / AJ Green - Either one of these WRs are studs to the brim. They are big, fast, strong, and nasty. Anyone who gets these guys is going to have a good time. Iād still give a slight nod to Julio, though - just by what I saw in college. To be fair, though, AJ Green normally had much less to work with at QB than JJ.
Prince Amukamara - Good, solid CB. I really like some of the athletes Nebraskaās had the last few years, and I know that Ndamakong was hyping this guy up. Heāll be a great CB in the league, but I donāt think heāll ever be an unflinching āDonāt throw it to his sideā kinda guy. Iām thinking more like a Dunta Robinson or Jabari Greer. Very, very good players with above-average skills, but not one of the greats in the league.
Other than that, my knowledge starts to become more hit-and-miss and murky.
Thoughts, feedback, your opinions?