Not confirmed yet but they are done meeting and D Smith is saying he is advising decertification. We are officially fucked.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ I keep hearing the rumours but no confirmation.
Also hearing that the 18 game schedule is really going to happen, PA has basically folded on that but they are pushing for increased roster spots, IR changes etc. Fuckers just need to get this done, giving me a fucking anxiety attack. If I dont have football my wife will make me go shopping with her at the fucking mall. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO please lord I know you are a Cowboys fan make it happen. [/quote]
Sorry, I think GOD is a Packers fan this year. 
As of the latest talks, sounds like the lockout is coming.
I think tomorrow news will confirm the season future.
[quote]BradyZ wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ I keep hearing the rumours but no confirmation.
Also hearing that the 18 game schedule is really going to happen, PA has basically folded on that but they are pushing for increased roster spots, IR changes etc. Fuckers just need to get this done, giving me a fucking anxiety attack. If I dont have football my wife will make me go shopping with her at the fucking mall. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO please lord I know you are a Cowboys fan make it happen. [/quote]
Sorry, I think GOD is a Packers fan this year.
As of the latest talks, sounds like the lockout is coming.
I think tomorrow news will confirm the season future.[/quote]
God loves all teams and has to let some win from time to time. But the Cowboys are his favorite. 
Hearing these owners and NFL execs talk as they come out of the meeting is very disheartening, and is putting the players union in a less than favorable light(I’ve been pretty strongly on their side from the get go but it sounds like they are dead set on the litigation and basically refused any negotiation).
Part of me hopes that what is being said(specifically the great detail the VP of Labor is going into) is somehow not true cause it sounds extremely sad.
Edit: To be fair the owners have never been put in a good light in this either, because apparently their total refusal of financial transparency is the lynchpin that all of these discussions revolve around.
^ Listening to it now myself, I would like to hear what the PA has to say to some of these “terms” that they are saying they refused.
Fucked we are…I dont claim to know everything about the negotiations however from what I have read and what I have heard it seems like the small market teams (i.e bengals, jags etc) are the purveyors of the problem, from what I have read Jerry Jones and other large market teams want nothing to do with this…
The NFL if there is a season next year stands to make 10 BILLION in revenue, and they want players to role back salaries to what they were making in 2007…from what I have read the players want status quo, I do not know how anyone can side with the owners on this one…enlighten me if somebody is.
Its March and Im officially nervous.
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
I find it disgusting that some high revenue teams don’t want to share. I’m looking at you Jerry and Dan. Without the sacrifice that the Mara family made years ago this league would not exist in its present 10 billion dollar form. Sorry DJHT but JJ started this shit when he broke from league rules on apparel deals.
That’s my take.
Hey Wilba, mind explaining what you mean about the Mara family? I think that mightve been before my time
[quote]Wilba wrote:
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
[/quote]
Where else are they going to go? They may be making a lot more than the actual job market, but doesn’t the average NFL career last like 3 years?
Im not sure what company in the world who is doing extremely well financially would ask its employees for pay cut, especially when their employees are’nt even asking for a raise…im with the players.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
[/quote]
Where else are they going to go? They may be making a lot more than the actual job market, but doesn’t the average NFL career last like 3 years? [/quote]
Wilba that is a ridiculously ignorant statement. Any person who has ever worked on the private market knows they can dictate how much they are compensated. If you’re bringing in a certain mount of money to a company, you are compensated accordingly.
The players are bringing in a certain amount of money for the teams and the league, and 100% have the right to a cut of it, plain and simple.
Am I furious that both sides let it get this far? Yes. I think Goodell and Smith have both failed on the biggest stage, and should be remembered as incompetent. If I had to choose though I’d say Goodell is the bigger failure, as his sole purpose is to keep the league running.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Hey Wilba, mind explaining what you mean about the Mara family? I think that mightve been before my time[/quote]
Wellington Mara of the New York Giants was one of the NFL’s most influential owners for more than a half century and was the last of the league’s founding generation.
Mara’s influence went far beyond the Giants. He clearly was one of the most important figures in NFL history.
Perhaps his greatest contribution came in the early 1960’s. He and brother Jack, owners of the biggest team in the biggest market, agreed to share tele-vision revenue on a league wide basis, dividing the huge amounts of money available in cities like New York with smaller markets from Pittsburgh to Green Bay.
Part of that agreement meant that the Giants ceded the right to sell their own games to television for a league wide contract, in those days with CBS. That concept of revenue sharing allowed the NFL to thrive and remains in place today.
He also served during the 1970’s as chairman of the NFL’s Management Council, which negotiated labor contracts, and as a member of the competition committee.
“When Well Mara stood to speak at a league meeting, the room would become silent with anticipation because all of us knew we were going to hear profound insights born of eight decades of league experience,” NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue said.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
[/quote]
Where else are they going to go? They may be making a lot more than the actual job market, but doesn’t the average NFL career last like 3 years? [/quote]
If they have nowhere else to go how do they have any leverage to dictate how much they are compensated?
Are they supposed to never have to work another day in their lives because they played football for 3 or 4 years? How many jobs or even careers does an average man have in his life?
They are highly compensated, even the non-star players, and many are afforded great opportunity outside of football and after football as a result of football. Most players also get a free college education as a result of playing football. Sounds pretty sweet to me.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
[/quote]
Where else are they going to go? They may be making a lot more than the actual job market, but doesn’t the average NFL career last like 3 years? [/quote]
Wilba that is a ridiculously ignorant statement. Any person who has ever worked on the private market knows they can dictate how much they are compensated. If you’re bringing in a certain mount of money to a company, you are compensated accordingly.
The players are bringing in a certain amount of money for the teams and the league, and 100% have the right to a cut of it, plain and simple.
Am I furious that both sides let it get this far? Yes. I think Goodell and Smith have both failed on the biggest stage, and should be remembered as incompetent. If I had to choose though I’d say Goodell is the bigger failure, as his sole purpose is to keep the league running.[/quote]
Ridiculously ignorant? That may be a bit of an exaggeration. What business the size of the NFL has over 50% of revenue going to one segment of their employees? Only the NFL. Nobody else is competing for the players services. 99% have 0 chance of earning what they will make in NFL elsewhere. It’s not the same as corporate sales where the competition will snatch you up if you’re not compensated fairly.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Im not sure what company in the world who is doing extremely well financially would ask its employees for pay cut, especially when their employees are’nt even asking for a raise…im with the players. [/quote]
All NFL teams don’t make the same amount of money. That’s the core issue. If the teams skirting the revenue sharing system didn’t do that then the smaller market teams would be able to afford to pay the players more.
That being said, it’s the owners business, this is America, they have the right to determine how much they pay their employees. Obama isn’t running the league.
[quote]Wilba wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
[/quote]
Where else are they going to go? They may be making a lot more than the actual job market, but doesn’t the average NFL career last like 3 years? [/quote]
Wilba that is a ridiculously ignorant statement. Any person who has ever worked on the private market knows they can dictate how much they are compensated. If you’re bringing in a certain mount of money to a company, you are compensated accordingly.
The players are bringing in a certain amount of money for the teams and the league, and 100% have the right to a cut of it, plain and simple.
Am I furious that both sides let it get this far? Yes. I think Goodell and Smith have both failed on the biggest stage, and should be remembered as incompetent. If I had to choose though I’d say Goodell is the bigger failure, as his sole purpose is to keep the league running.[/quote]
Ridiculously ignorant? That may be a bit of an exaggeration. What business the size of the NFL has over 50% of revenue going to one segment of their employees? Only the NFL. Nobody else is competing for the players services. 99% have 0 chance of earning what they will make in NFL elsewhere. It’s not the same as corporate sales where the competition will snatch you up if you’re not compensated fairly.[/quote]
Just because the players work in a monopolistic setting, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to negotiate their compensation.
The main sticking point isn’t even compensation anymore, it’s financial transparency on the owners part. They simply don’t want the players to see what their making, which in my opinion is a complete farce.
Open your books to the players union leaders only, have them sign an NDA, negotiate, and get a deal done.
GIVE ME FOOTBALL.
[quote]Wilba wrote:
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
I find it disgusting that some high revenue teams don’t want to share. I’m looking at you Jerry and Dan. Without the sacrifice that the Mara family made years ago this league would not exist in its present 10 billion dollar form. Sorry DJHT but JJ started this shit when he broke from league rules on apparel deals.
That’s my take. [/quote]
What the hell are you even talking about? What is the “real job market” for elite level football players? Oh yeah, it’s called the NFL. Professional athletes aren’t some unskilled laborers that can be replaced at the drop of a hat. Labor supply and demand is and has always been a two-way street.
What a completely ignorant statement.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
[/quote]
Where else are they going to go? They may be making a lot more than the actual job market, but doesn’t the average NFL career last like 3 years? [/quote]
Wilba that is a ridiculously ignorant statement. Any person who has ever worked on the private market knows they can dictate how much they are compensated. If you’re bringing in a certain mount of money to a company, you are compensated accordingly.
The players are bringing in a certain amount of money for the teams and the league, and 100% have the right to a cut of it, plain and simple.
Am I furious that both sides let it get this far? Yes. I think Goodell and Smith have both failed on the biggest stage, and should be remembered as incompetent. If I had to choose though I’d say Goodell is the bigger failure, as his sole purpose is to keep the league running.[/quote]
Ridiculously ignorant? That may be a bit of an exaggeration. What business the size of the NFL has over 50% of revenue going to one segment of their employees? Only the NFL. Nobody else is competing for the players services. 99% have 0 chance of earning what they will make in NFL elsewhere. It’s not the same as corporate sales where the competition will snatch you up if you’re not compensated fairly.[/quote]
GIVE ME FOOTBALL.[/quote]
Agreed
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Wilba wrote:
How many of us can attempt to dictate to our employer how much we are compensated? Fuck the players. Most are making 10 X to 100 X more than they are worth in the real job market. The owners own a business and should be able to pay their employees what they deem appropriate. If you don’t like it go work elsewhere.
[/quote]
Where else are they going to go? They may be making a lot more than the actual job market, but doesn’t the average NFL career last like 3 years? [/quote]
Wilba that is a ridiculously ignorant statement. Any person who has ever worked on the private market knows they can dictate how much they are compensated. If you’re bringing in a certain mount of money to a company, you are compensated accordingly.
The players are bringing in a certain amount of money for the teams and the league, and 100% have the right to a cut of it, plain and simple.
Am I furious that both sides let it get this far? Yes. I think Goodell and Smith have both failed on the biggest stage, and should be remembered as incompetent. If I had to choose though I’d say Goodell is the bigger failure, as his sole purpose is to keep the league running.[/quote]
Ridiculously ignorant? That may be a bit of an exaggeration. What business the size of the NFL has over 50% of revenue going to one segment of their employees? Only the NFL. Nobody else is competing for the players services. 99% have 0 chance of earning what they will make in NFL elsewhere. It’s not the same as corporate sales where the competition will snatch you up if you’re not compensated fairly.[/quote]
Just because the players work in a monopolistic setting, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to negotiate their compensation.
The main sticking point isn’t even compensation anymore, it’s financial transparency on the owners part. They simply don’t want the players to see what their making, which in my opinion is a complete farce.
Open your books to the players union leaders only, have them sign an NDA, negotiate, and get a deal done.
GIVE ME FOOTBALL.[/quote]
Agreed. If you’re going to start a shit storm and threaten to cancel an NFL season because you aren’t making profits, you sure as hell better pony up some proof. Makes me think they are just being greedy at this point.
This article was interesting, and depressing. I’m still bummed from the SB and this just makes it worse.
Nice job Godell. Lots of blame to go around but he’s the main jackass.