Next up: Prop, Tren, Winny, T3, Clen

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Very weird. Not sure what the issue is there, but I suspect you just didn’t get it in deep enough and it allowed the oil to pool subcutaneously. Are you pretty lean there? I can barely get a skinfold measurement on mine, so they are much leaner than the rest of my body.
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I’m about as lean there as at my lateralis, maybe just a little less so. That would make sense, though, it was the same kind of pain as when I tried to shoot VG with a 1/2" pin (definitely not lean enough for that).

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:
They were 28g 1 ml slin pins. Never, ever again. Also- should be noted NEVER take clen BEFORE your injections. Holy fuck. My hands were shaking like a mother fucker. In hindsight, I probably should have just waited.

Also even with 4g of Taurine now I’m still having some cramps. My quads are cramping like crazy right now going up and down stairs. And my jaw just locked up so bad it almost put me in tears.

Clen is a hell of a drug. [/quote]

Odd. I guess you just have really dense quads…? It still seems likely to me that you bent your pin trying to force the last of the oil in, but the fact that the plunger gets stuck is a lot more of a problem than a bent slin pin. Unless you’re reusing pins.

EDIT: The difference between 1cc and 0.5cc pins is night and day, which shouldn’t suprise me since the pressure you can generate goes as the inverse square of the radius of the plunger. With 0.5cc 29g pins, I can push 0.35cc in about 3 seconds no problem. With 1cc 29g pins, it takes ~20-30 seconds of really bearing down on the plunger to push 0.7cc.

Are the muscle cramps a clen thing? I have had muscles in my face and jaw lock up on cycle for no reason at all, but I’m not using clen, and I’m not cramping anywhere else.

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They were delt injections; I’ve never and will never re-use pins.

I finally got the rest of my shit today, again pretty disappointing. It wasn’t even the brand of Tren I had ordered and it was two different brands- one of which was only 75mg/ml (the other being 100mg/ml) So that’s only enough for about 24 days at 525mg/wk. A lot less than I had been anticipating.

So for the first week I’m just going to run Tren/Test at 50/25mg ED to give myself an extra two or three days of tren. After that I’ll bump it up to 75/25. Wish I could do more, but nothing I can do about it now. Wish I had more T3 too because I’m only going to be able to run that for about three weeks as well. Definitely wish I had more T3…I’ll be starting that next week.

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Alright, quick update here.

So I got some liquid T3 in and I’ve been loving the T3 so far. I’m running at about 110-120mcg/day now and just started back on clen- 120mcg. More on this later

Tren is still being run at 75mg/day and Test is at 33.3mg/day (Little over 750mg/wk) + winstrol at 60mg/day 420mg/wk.

So I remember reading Singh’s post about how he couldn’t do prop anymore because it hurt to much and so I thought he was just a pussy because I didn’t have any pain at all from the injections. But for about the last 10 days now it’s been really bad. I have to plan the injections around my workout for the day. For example if I’m doing shoulders and I have a delt inj. that day, I have to save it for after the gym; same thing with leg day/quad inj. Or I pretty much cannot workout. Definitely won’t rock the prop in the future.
I think I have been a little more aggressive/agitated lately- not entirely sure if this is from the Tren ace. It’s not bad or unmanageable by any means. Maybe it’s just that people have been extra fucking stupid lately (especially when driving). No messed up nightmares or anything, no insomnia. In fact I’ve been really tired these last few days and getting more sleep than usual.

Now, the clen. Fuck clen. Seriously. I will never use this shit again. It’s just not worth it at all. The effects are minimal at best and there’s no way in hell that the effectiveness of it offsets the jitters it causes. I got some really shitty sleep last night; almost no sleep, so this morning I thought “Oh great, I’ll start clen a day early, and this will keep me awake”. Holy shit what a mistake. About an hour later I’m all jittery and can’t focus again. As a guitar player and instructor this is a nightmare. I may or may not use the rest of this; definitely not on a few important days I have coming up. Seriously, fuck Clen. I don’t think anybody should use it ever. Not even close to the effects of T3. Fuck clen.

T3 is great. I’m not wasting away like Singh apparently does, but I’m sure as hell not making any strength gains even with the amount of Tren/Test/Winny that I’m on. But this cycle wasn’t about strength or size so it doesn’t bother me at all. After the tren and this contest is over I will run the prop alone for another week-10 days and try to add some size back.

Fuck clen.

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interesting post.

the more I hear about clen the less I like the sound of it, will be interested to hear how you get on after all the T3’s done because as far as fat loss drugs go it’s the only one I’d even consider. Fucking my thyroid is a concern but I’ve never heard of it actually happening to anyone

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Haha you see I wasnt being a pussy ;), the prop pain did literally cripple me for a couple of days post injection. However with the low-dose of prop you are running im surprised it still hurts. Did you inject the prop alone by any chance?

And I am with you all the way with the clen, absolute shitty drug hands down. Every time I contracted a muscle I was expecting a cramp, I was jittery as hell to the point where writing was hard.
Toby, any depression on the Tren? When I was on it my mind basically made a mountain out of a mole hill, situiations that usually wouldnt even cross my mind had me procrastinating and in deep thought, negative deep thought.

T3 is great for weight loss, I suspect you are not wasting away due to the high tren you are running. I was on low tren when I ran it, I wouldnt go over 50mcg in the future though.
Glad the cycle is going well for you :slight_smile:

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Haha you see I wasnt being a pussy ;), the prop pain did literally cripple me for a couple of days post injection. However with the low-dose of prop you are running im surprised it still hurts. Did you inject the prop alone by any chance?

And I am with you all the way with the clen, absolute shitty drug hands down. Every time I contracted a muscle I was expecting a cramp, I was jittery as hell to the point where writing was hard.
Toby, any depression on the Tren? When I was on it my mind basically made a mountain out of a mole hill, situiations that usually wouldnt even cross my mind had me procrastinating and in deep thought, negative deep thought.

T3 is great for weight loss, I suspect you are not wasting away due to the high tren you are running. I was on low tren when I ran it, I wouldnt go over 50mcg in the future though.
Glad the cycle is going well for you :slight_smile:

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I’m glad you brought that up since I completely neglected to mention it- the cramping is NUTS. I was just laying here and both my feet started cramping up. I get it pretty bad in the legs too when doing box squats. I also get some back-pump type pain- though not on the same scale as Dbol. Taurine doesn’t do much to alleviate the pain.

I’m not injecting the prop by itself; I mix it with the tren. Doing daily injections is bad enough, doing it twice daily just wouldn’t happen.

Definitely no depression, but I can’t tell if I’m more agitated than before. It just seems like more and more people piss me off. For example earlier today I called ahead and ordered some food because I was fucking starving and had been fasting all day. They said “Ok give us 20 minutes” I show up at 20 minutes on the dot, they repeatedly read my name off wrong, and then figure out that they are just NOW starting to prep my food so I said “nevermind, I don’t want it. I’m not waiting”. So this bitch starts trying to give ME shit saying “I told you 25 minutes…blah blah blah” and it starts causing a scene and I’m like “No, you said it’d be ready in 20 minutes, and THAT was 25 minutes ago”. And then I basically told them to just fuck-off. I wanted to hit this bitch so hard. It’s something so SMALL and trivial and to me it seems like they start making it a big deal and that’s when I start getting pissed.
Some really common-sense type bullshit similar to this happened at my gym last week too and I made a big deal of it. They let all these dumb-fuck teenagers work out there (well, they don’t really work out they just stand around and take up space) and half of them don’t even have memberships and they just give no fucks at all. I just about lost it.
Haven’t had to get out of my car yet and let anyone know what time it is. I’ve done that twice before- neither of which times I was on gear.

I should probably be more stressed out. I just had to pay a shitload into taxes since I’m self-employed, had two separate $1k purchases come at a very inconvenient time- when I’m suppose to be moving at the end of the month and have to fund a deposit and 1st months rent at a new place, which hasn’t even been locked down yet, and I leave for tour in a week from tomorrow…so I won’t even be here to move my shit. So a lot of money and shit still to figure out in a short amount of time.
All things considered, I think I’m doing alright.

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Yep small things like that made me angry aswell. Its funny how near enough everything we feel is related to hormones.
Anyway keep this updated, will be following your results and looking forward to the pics.

What bf are you at now roughly? How is your libido and refractory peroids?

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Yep small things like that made me angry aswell. Its funny how near enough everything we feel is related to hormones.
Anyway keep this updated, will be following your results and looking forward to the pics.

What bf are you at now roughly? How is your libido and refractory peroids?

SB[/quote]

BF is around 11.5%. It said 10.5 the other day on the scale, but I know that was off. One of the biggest problems I was having was being able to get my top abs to ‘pop’ through. Seems like as of last night that’s been resolved.
Libido has actually been pretty high. MUCH higher than last time I was on Tren.

I almost died yesterday in the gym. I can tell cardio is pretty much over for me at this point. I was just working out my arms yesterday and towards the end I started getting really winded. Had to sit down, take extra time between sets, etc. It sucked. Started to get that pain in my lower abdomen like you get from doing extended cardio.

I sold my Clen to a friend. Never touching that shit again.

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Yep small things like that made me angry aswell. Its funny how near enough everything we feel is related to hormones.
Anyway keep this updated, will be following your results and looking forward to the pics.

What bf are you at now roughly? How is your libido and refractory peroids?

SB[/quote]

BF is around 11.5%. It said 10.5 the other day on the scale, but I know that was off. One of the biggest problems I was having was being able to get my top abs to ‘pop’ through. Seems like as of last night that’s been resolved.
Libido has actually been pretty high. MUCH higher than last time I was on Tren.

I almost died yesterday in the gym. I can tell cardio is pretty much over for me at this point. I was just working out my arms yesterday and towards the end I started getting really winded. Had to sit down, take extra time between sets, etc. It sucked. Started to get that pain in my lower abdomen like you get from doing extended cardio.

I sold my Clen to a friend. Never touching that shit again. [/quote]

So an update is long overdue. The last week of this cycle sucked, but for reasons beyond my control. I was only able to hit the gym twice I think and wasn’t able to eat the cleanest since we were on the road. I did get down to about 9-9.5% bf, I’m estimating- didn’t have my scale. Was pretty disappointed with the final pics, but definitely a rather drastic change overall. I really didn’t want to come off the T3, but I tapered it off and I’ve been running fat burners since so I wouldn’t turn into a fat slob overnight. I was basically out of the gym for about two weeks straight and have just recently got back into it. Really didn’t lose any strength. Starting to add weight and muscle back on…and fat. I don’t think this is some ‘rebound’ effect of dieting though. I think it was more that we just moved and I felt totally displaced and it was hard for me to get back into my groove. I basically ate like shit for two weeks straight, culminating yesterday. Had to deal with so much unnecessary bullshit which didn’t help anything at all. Literally just as of today I feel like I’m finally starting to fall back into routine. But my appetite is through the roof. I don’t eat 'til I’m full, because I can’t quite get full. I mean, I’m eating more now at 205 than I was at 250. We’ll see how this goes.

I think I have about 5 days left of PCT. This has been the shittiest PCT in terms of skin condition. I have never broken out so bad in my life. It’s not on my face, but it is on my neck, chest, shoulders, and legs. Probably going to run a lean-bulk cycle in July. I’m thinking something like just Test E, Tren E, Dbol. Maybe anavar, maybe T3 again since I have a lot left over. I really like how T3 leaned me out, but I would definitely do it at a lower dose this time since it’s not for a competition or anything. Someone was trying to get me to look into GH. Don’t know about that yet.

All in all, this cycle was pretty darn good.