Next 4 Year Predictions

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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TOTrev,

You wrote:

"So, I respect that there are educated Republicans, making their points, don’t groupthink with others and downgrade someone elses opinion just b/c it doesn’t conform. I respect the democratic supporters that are educated, what I don’t respect is ignorant voting. That’s dangerous.

Best of luck in the ensuing shitstorm 4 yrs ahead. I was never more proud the day we decided to forget about helping in Iraq, and I didn’t vote for the current Canadian government liberals. I feel as a country our “Moral Fiber” saw what was going on, and decided to say " NO THANKS, EH"

I wouldn’t be proud at all if I were you. Your prior government’s decision to allow a cancer to consume both his own people and his neighbors to continue to fester, is reprehensible.

We in America fully understand that there a group of people throughout the world that have an obvious inferiority complex. That is fine and understandable given our military/economic/cultural dominance. What is sad, however, is that inferiority complex overrides basic human values. Like supporting the removal of Saddam Hussein. The prototypical brutual dictator bent on world domination (oil,weapons, etc…) and exercising the usual brutual repression of his people.

In the end, you can crow over “giving the American President the finger.” What you have done is give de facto support to Hussein and his methods.

Join France in your blatant mediocrity.

You make the members of the Coalition of the Willing ashamed.

JeffR

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
btm62 wrote:
I don’t know that I have ever heard a preacher hold up one party “system” over another. Although I suppose it happens.

As I stated before, this was as much on MSNBC and other networks as any other commentary. I didn’t make up the fact that SOME churches were actually influencing the vote by presenting the issues as if Bush supported the views of the church therefore, you should not vote for Kerry. I didn’t write that YOUR church did this but that it was being done. There were actually some shown who had a “voting” van drive around during church services. The members of the church go outside and into the van and they read about how Kerry is against Christian beliefs. I found it extremely biased. Yes, I do have a problem with that. If you don’t simply because they voted Republican, that is your business. Don’t try to degrade my opinion as if it doesn’t matter or isn’t valid at all. I have explained my stance on it. Whether you agree or not is up to you.[/quote]

Sorry, I’ll try not to hurt your feelings in the future by offering an opinion and qualifying it as such. I’ll just reply to your threads with “Yep, I hear that!” Did this media say anything about the other side of the story? About people attending chruch services to make sure nothing political was said and if it was turning it in. Sounds fairly gestapo. I’m sure SOME churches did the same thing with Kerry. My point was is that, and yes I could be wroing, that for instance Lutherans do not endorse Democrats specifically. It is more issue based than party based. I’ll stop abusing you now.

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Fine, I’ll agree with you that those are some reasons why people go to church, Also people probably go to church to worshop, or have thier sins forgiven. I’m just guessing though. Ok so back to your origional premise, Because people go to learn about god then therefore the preacher should not have any political leanings? What if one side more closely subscribes to the teachings of that particular church? Priests talk about how killing is wrong all the time, how it is a sin, they also talk about how abortion is a sin because it is killing. So if one party supports abortion and one opposes it I would say it is that pastors duty to make sure his parish is edjucated on what those parties stand for. It is his job to help them avoid sin. If a christian votes for john kerry when bush is an alternative I would say that is a sin, according to the strict interpretation of the bible. I personally am not even religous anymore but I know the christian faith pretty well.

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

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[quote]TOTrev wrote:

I also agree with ProfX on the majority or strip of red coming from North Dakota down to Texas. There are alot of people who vote for someone jsut through association. I think that the word democracy puts responsibility in the hands of the voters as well to best educate themselves with the issues.

I would agree that ignorance is the cause of much harm. That’s why we read supplement information UNBIASED, before we go putting things in our bodies, otherwise the ignorance would/could caue harm. Same shit with the supplements, they are ignorant to supplements and are banning them. Same thign with voting, if you don’t understand the issues you aren’t doing your part to hold up Democracy, don’t be a lazy and just vote for some person b/c you were always a republican or a democrat, come on, where is your independant thought??

The same thing happens here in Canada, people just vote for a party b/c that’s what their parents did, they don’t read the newspaper or watch the news, they just vote b/c that’s what they’ve always done, its just rediculus.
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What a bunch of crap. I’ve read this position from a number of liberal posts over the last couple of days. Let me summarize, “Bush won because there are so many ignorant Republicans that vote just because that’s the way the parents voted”.

Is this you’re mentally retarded way of coping with a Bush win? Do you actually think there are more brainless Republicans than there are Democrats? Ignorance doesn’t play party favorites.

After tallying the number of posts by liberals on this board taking this ridiculous stance automatically refutes the notion that the aforementioned ignorance is saved only for the conservative voter. Unreal! I still can’t believe how many have taken this position on this board! You guys can’t be serious…

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Jeff,

You never cease to amaze me. It seems to take a nasty guy to recognise a nasty post. And you are referring to yourself as “we”? A little schizofrenic, perhaps?

If doing positive things on a world stage means acting like Bush Lite for the past 4 years I don’t even wanna go there.

As for us being under America’s protection, just try to find a world atlas (I know it’s hard in a country where so many people can’t locate their own country on a map. They all must be hidden somewhere) and see who’s our eastern neighbor. And yes, we’ve had over 20 wars with them. And what happened when we were in war with them for the last time (1941-19945)? United States declared war on Finland.

So much for protection.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:

Sorry, I’ll try not to hurt your feelings in the future. [/quote]

Yes, I was scarred. In fact, I want you to pay for my emotional coping classes. I am actually tired of posting in this thread because it has lost its appeal. I am not going to continue to argue over who goes to church and why or any other tiny detail that is too insignificant to waste good typing on. I will argue with you all on another thread. If the world falls in on itself during the next four years, in the midst of the fires and nuclear fall out, I will expect a full apology for hurting my feelings like you did. sob If the next four years go off without a hitch, I will gladly log back in and use “republicans are the angels of America” as my signature line for one whole week. It’s been real. Catch y’all on some other thread more interesting than Bush…like bush.

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[quote]T-Stag wrote:
…just try to find a world atlas (I know it’s hard in a country where so many people can’t locate their own country on a map.[/quote]

Extremely haughty and insulting, and so typical, but also unfortunately true (I do, however, think you picked the wrong place to start insulting people’s intelligence).

This would be the result of our wonderful government education system, which is held in a stranglehold by a far-left teachers’ union that is more interested in indoctrinating our children in the wonders of homosexuality, environmentalism and the importance of being a compliant “global citizen” than in actually educatuing them.

“The child who can think for himself will not fit into the society we are planning”

  • Education “reformer” John Dewey [quote not exact, but that is the gist of it]
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T-Stag,

You would fit right in with the liberal “elites” in the U.S.

You’ve got the whole insulting thing down.

You’ve even shown your “intelligence” by writing “schizofrenic.” If my poor memory serves it’s: SCHIZOPHRENIC.
Many of us get quite a kick out of people who proclaim their “intelligence” and then cannot spell the words they try to use to prove it.

Oh, on the subject of the U.S. declaring War on Finland, you of course know the reason? Correct? Let the “ignorant American” educate you, it’s because when the Germans invaded the USSR in 1941 FINLAND JOINED THE NAZIS AS A CO-BELLIGERENT!!! Nice history!!! Is that your idea of a positive contribution on the world stage? The so-called CONTINUATION WAR ended in Armistice in 1944.

Makes sense to declare war on the allies (Finland) of the Nazi’s.

I would like to make a friendly suggestion to you: stop watching so much television. The morons on MTV have nothing to do with the true achievers in America. You don’t see us on those shows. There are plenty of thinkers in this country that are the envy of the planet.

It would be so refreshing if your country (instead of acting like inferiority complex burdened whiners) would stand tall and make a positive contribution to the world.

Good Luck,

JeffR

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Regraphc,

I hate to have to spell everything out.

I care about you, so I will indulge you.

You made reference to familial brainwashing when it comes to party.

Not only do Democratic families do the same thing, but the Unions are blatant partisans. It’s not a good idea to express hypocrisy around me. I’m going to highlight each and every instance of self-serving hypocrisy.

Has this been cleared up?

Great.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
T-Stag,

Hello, Jeff!

You would fit right in with the liberal “elites” in the U.S.

Well, I don?t really see myself as “elite”, but well…

You’ve got the whole insulting thing down.

I got good teachers, such as yourself.

You’ve even shown your “intelligence” by writing “schizofrenic.” If my poor memory serves it’s: SCHIZOPHRENIC.
Many of us get quite a kick out of people who proclaim their “intelligence” and then cannot spell the words they try to use to prove it.

Well, sorry for the typo. Why don?t you try to write something in my language then? Try “haista vittu” for example.

Oh, on the subject of the U.S. declaring War on Finland, you of course know the reason? Correct? Let the “ignorant American” educate you, it’s because when the Germans invaded the USSR in 1941 FINLAND JOINED THE NAZIS AS A CO-BELLIGERENT!!! Nice history!!! Is that your idea of a positive contribution on the world stage? The so-called CONTINUATION WAR ended in Armistice in 1944.

Makes sense to declare war on the allies (Finland) of the Nazi’s.

Of course I know the reason. I wanted to see if you know the facts on this. Let?s go a little further. I assume that you found the country that lies beneath our eastern border. It used to be called The Soviet Union. When a country that had 4 million citizens at the time was attacked by Stalin?s Soviet Union, it?s pretty hard to find anybody to help you in Europe. Great Britain was on USSR?s side, as was France (no help from there whatsoever) and of course you guys. When you nees help you turn to the ones who are there. At the time the only ones who were there were, unfortunately, the Nazi Germany. I?m not proud of this, but I have no reason to deny it. Without them and their help, we would?ve been on the same boat with Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Checkoslovakia, Yugoslavia, BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN, so to speak. We got lucky, we didn?t end up having a total puppet governments, even though the USSR kept a close eye on us until it no longer existed (thank you Boris Jeltsin and Gorbachev). We actually chased the Nazis out of Finland into Norway in the end of the war, and they burned about 1/4 of the country as they went along. There are still some minefields in Lapland.

This reminds me of something…oh yeah, Bush Lite?s “coalition of the willing”. It included Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. All of these countries were Nazi collaborators and were of course jumping of joy to be able to join EU and NATO after being under the big ole? arm of the USSR bear for a few decades. We fought back. Both the Nazis and the Communists. AND REMEMBER THIS: WE WERE THE ONLY COUNTRY WHO PAID IT?S WAR DEBT BACK IN FULL, IN PRE-WAR CURRENCY (MORE EXPENSIVE). Even the American newspapers notified and appreciated this.

I would like to make a friendly suggestion to you: stop watching so much television. The morons on MTV have nothing to do with the true achievers in America. You don’t see us on those shows. There are plenty of thinkers in this country that are the envy of the planet.

Fyi, I don?t watch MTV, even though I have MTV Europe here on the cable. In fact, I don?t watch TV that much at all. Instead, I try to read as many newspapers as I can get my hands onto. When you talk about “us”, do you mean the people who were interviewed by the exit polls? I read that over 50% of the people who voted Bush believed that the rest of the world wanted Bush to be the president…that kinda shows the difference between belief and knowledge.

It would be so refreshing if your country (instead of acting like inferiority complex burdened whiners) would stand tall and make a positive contribution to the world.

Please don?t be such an idiot and judge my country by my personal opinions. You are insulting over 5,000,000 people now. Tell me, what is this “positive contribution” you are talking about? I?d really like to know, since I think that the U.S. hasn?t really done anything like that recently.

Good Luck,

And to you too.

Erkka

JeffR [/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
DA MAN wrote:
Berner wrote:
“3) an end to food supplement use unless approved by the FDA (and also as long as it doesn’t reduce pharmaceutical profits).”

Professor–I too dread this. Please remember where this started though–the socialists in Europe. Congresscritters tend to be older though. What percentage take supps themselves? hopefully enough that this will not come to pass.

For the next 4 years? How about some conservative small gov’t and stop the damn spending. Oh and probably won’t happen, but it would be nice if he would adress the borders.

didnt a dem sponsor/draft the bill aboot prohormones? how is that bush? he did sign it, but under pressure from BOTH sides, not just reps.

Apparently, you all can’t see past pro-hormones so allow me to open this up a little. Did you see how hard the country came down on ephedrine use? Exactly how much thought will it take for the “more moral and religious-did I mention more ethical and all around better at leading everyone down the righteous road to salvation” right to condemn nearly anything associated with gaining muscle? I swear, the media still calls creatine a “steroid”. I know this may be hard for some of you to admit considering you are so happy who you voted for just won, but are you all seriously unable to see that?[/quote]

Dude, they were after creatine and ephedrine since Clinton. it was banned here in ohio in 96- WAY before bush and all this “more moral and religious-did I mention more ethical and all around better at leading everyone down the righteous road to salvation.” and i ask how this relates to bush and his policy?

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Has anyone stopped to think of this?

Back during the Gulf War, we fought against Saddam Hussein to stop him from invading another country, ousting that government and taking control. Over a decade later, we invade his country and oust his government and take control. I know, I know we are suppose to help establish order, decency and democracy for the poor unwashed masses in Iraq that need it. However, I find it interesting that we did the exact same thing to him that we condemned him for trying to do over a decade ago. How does that make us any better than him?

I’m presenting this as a philisophical question only, not a statement for or against the war. That ship has sailed and I support the troops and pray for their safe return. It was just a thought that I and my Republican and Democratic friends were discussing at lunch one day. We realized the scary irony of that thought. What do you guys think?

Oh, also, I work in the Pharmaceutical Industy and the thought from the industry is that they weren’t thrilled with either Bush’s or Kerry’s plans for healthcare. But that is another discussion altogether.

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Aldur,

You wrote,

“Over a decade later, we invade his country and oust his government and take control. I know, I know we are suppose to help establish order, decency and democracy for the poor unwashed masses in Iraq that need it.”

Wrong. We are supposed to stomp out the terrorist threat radiating from the Middle East. Establishing democracy is one of the ways we are going to do it(a “means”, not an “end”). The first goal is to prevent the targeting of free peoples by radicals in the Middle East. How is this so hard to understand and what don’t what part of that don’t you agree with?

Vroom,

I re-read your post and Im still missing
the irony and the humor. Maybe its me.

Anyway, you can knock off the childish “breathe deep” thing. I chuckle when I write most of this stuff…

Like I said, you often post very good stuff and sometimes you post some real strange, slanted crap and try to pass it off as deep, ironic or meaningful(I think the post I responded to falls in the latter category).

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Man - this thread got WAY off.

My predictions for the next four years?

  • The tax cuts will be made permanent.

  • The war on terror will be escalated and we will catch/kill OBL.

  • The Dow will top 15,000.

  • We’ll get at least 2 strict constitutionalist Supreme Court Justices.

  • The Republicans will finally learn that when the left says ‘reach across the aisle’ it’s a trick, and no democrat is to be trusted, unless he knows the secret handshake.

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A continuation of war.

possibly re-instating the draft.

continue operating at a budget deficit.

pass additional unconstitutional laws e.g.the patriot act.

definite ban on prohormones and the possible banning of other supplements.

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T-Stag,

Thanks again for your post.

Here is what we do that is unquestionably positive on the world stage: Every year we provide SIXTY PERCENT OF THE FREE AID TO THE PLANET. Did you catch that?

FREE AID!!!

SIXTY PERCENT!!!

Good luck naming any similar contribution from Finland.

Let me requote your recent post:

“As for us being under America’s protection, just try to find a world atlas (I know it’s hard in a country where so many people can’t locate their own country on a map. They all must be hidden somewhere)”

First of all, I never mentioned Finland being under American protection. However, now that you mentioned it, please look up the Marshall/Truman plan. We were the reason that the Soviet’s didn’t gobble up the rest of Western Europe. Please don’t try to maintain that Finland would have been able to stop the Iron Curtain from enveloping the Netherlands, Finland, Norway, France, Switzerland, etc.

If you do, I’ll laugh quite loud. On second thought, please try to say that Finland could have stopped the Soviet’s in say, 1980, when they had over 150 divisions posted in Eastern Europe. I will trully laugh out loud. I would enjoy that humor.

“and see who’s our eastern neighbor. And yes, we’ve had over 20 wars with them. And what happened when we were in war with them for the last time (1941-19945)? United States declared war on Finland.”

I hope you will acknowledge that I’ve effectively destroyed that specious argument. There is no excuse for allying with Nazi Germany.

As for your assertion that Americans don’t know their geography, you’ve come up against the wrong type of American.

You quibble about MTV versus your newspapers. I read some of the European press every day. Many are as baised and uninformed about America as is MTV.

I find it laughable that you accuse me of insulting 5 million Finns. You posted “know it’s hard in a country where so many people can’t locate their own country on a map” prior to me writing this. We have nearly 300 million people in the United States. You’ve insulted roughly 60 times the number of people with your ridiculousness.

Oh, save the “Bush Lite” comments. You are insulting the majority of Americans directly. In response, I’d have to call your leader, Finn infinitesimal.

Have a wonderful day,

JeffR

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Man - this thread got WAY off.

My predictions for the next four years?

  • The tax cuts will be made permanent.

  • The war on terror will be escalated and we will catch/kill OBL.

  • The Dow will top 15,000.

  • We’ll get at least 2 strict constitutionalist Supreme Court Justices.

  • The Republicans will finally learn that when the left says ‘reach across the aisle’ it’s a trick, and no democrat is to be trusted, unless he knows the secret handshake.[/quote]

Rainjack:

No offense, but will anything that is not perfect and wonderful happen in the next four years?

Just wondering.

~Terumo

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[quote]JD430 wrote:
Aldur,

You wrote,

“Over a decade later, we invade his country and oust his government and take control. I know, I know we are suppose to help establish order, decency and democracy for the poor unwashed masses in Iraq that need it.”

Wrong. We are supposed to stomp out the terrorist threat radiating from the Middle East. Establishing democracy is one of the ways we are going to do it(a “means”, not an “end”). The first goal is to prevent the targeting of free peoples by radicals in the Middle East. How is this so hard to understand and what don’t what part of that don’t you agree with?
[/quote]

See, I posed a question and someone gets an attitude because I don’t believe in what he believes. He also takes only part of my post and uses it for his attack.

What is hard for me to understand and agree with is how our actions of blowing up another country, getting innocent citizens killed in our crossfire and destroying an established political system is going to stomp out the terrorist threat from the Middle East? Terrorism is not a place, a country or any other tangible thing. It is a mindset. You might stop the current identified terrorists, but so long as groups of people are feeling stomped on, you will have terrorists. In order to stop the terrorist, you have to change the mindset of the people being terrorized. Right now, those people are too busy running for cover from our bullets and bombs to see how we are helping them.

By the way, some of the most recent terrorist activities happened right in the US, or have we forgotten, Oklahoma City, The Unibomber and the DC Snipers. Those weren’t just criminal activities, these were people who victimized others for their own cause. That is what terrorist do, they cause terror.

Also, who are we to determine who is the radical faction? If you look at it from the view of someone who is from that country, we invaded their country, overthrew their political structure, blew up their country, killed their citizens and are forcing them to accept our view of democracy. Just because we have the might, doesn’t make us right. And if we keep this up, we may not have the might much longer.

In addition to that, just because we attack there doesn’t mean we can’t be attacked here. The terrorist are here in the US already. A phone call, e-mail or even a postal letter can be the signal to start the attack. The gun laws have been relaxed, so getting weapons is not a problem. Getting support from our own citizens won’t be as hard as people think. All they have to do is convince the poor, disenfranchised people in this country (open your eyes and look around, there are a lot of them) that this is a way to strike back and they’ll do it. Street gangs do this all the time and they are very well financed, armed and are growing every day, much like a terrorist organization.

In other words, stop thinking so one-dimensionally and you can have a better understanding of others besides those that agree with you.

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Aldur,

Im hoping that you are kidding and I have just fallen for a troll job.

In the event that this is not the case, here goes:

You’re post is so full of warped information I’m not sure where to start.

Try reading this:

http://www.husseinandterror.com/

It lays out the case against the Butcher of Baghdad very well…the best I have found so far. That is the reason we went to war and that is the reason smashing his regime is just.

I feel for any civilian who gets caught up in the violence in Iraq. The US military has taken unprecedented steps to surgically combat this problem. Im guessing you dont really know what goes on over there. The world’s most advanced smart weapons, special forces raids, crushing rules of engagement…hell we’re putting guys in prison for putting panties on a prisoner’s head. We have fought this war as “nice” and careful as you possibly can. Avoiding civilian casualities has been a priority from day 1…stop lying. Sadly, there is an old saying about making an omlet and breaking eggs, and collateral damage happens. Of course, the same civilians that you curse us for ACCIDENTLY killing or injuring, would have been subject to gang rape, mass graves, torture chambers, poison gas etc. under the asshole dictator we pulled out of a rat hole.

The three examples you gave of terrorism on US soil are flawed. If you think anyone has forgotten about home grown extremists like McVeigh, you’re wrong. I asure you there is plenty of examination of those groups taking place. The Unibomber was an isolated nut and the DC Sniper’s were common criminals…they don’t fit the definition of terrorists because there was no political motivation in their crimes…they wanted ransom money. Funny how you gloss over 9-11 and the first world trade center attack and chide us to worry about a psychotic in a log cabin instead…

It’s not easier for terrorists to get weapons on US soil. That is ridiculous. I imagine you are referring to the sunset of the Assault Weapons ban, which you seem to have no clue about based on that statement. Nobody is concerned about the fact that you can get a better price on a rifle with a bayonette lug now. Nobody except for screeching liberals and the uninformed that is…

There seems to be a prevailing view among the apologists that terrorism is caused by poverty and a poor quality of life(usually caused by US imperialism -
which is the biggest line of bullshit in world history). There is increasing evidence that terrorism is caused by an environment of political extremism. There is plenty of poverty in the world - look around. But where do you see the vast majority of terror incidents originating from? The Middle East. The bulk of high profile terror incidents in history have been conducted, financed or supported by Islamic radicals with their unique political and religious views. Bin Laden is a perfect example…the man surely was not repressed by society and did not live in poverty. If you take that understanding of the terror problem it logically leads to the conclusion that you have to A.) smash the terror networks(of which Saddam was a significant part) and B.) move the political ideology of the Middle East closer to democracy.

That is what we are trying to do.

Terrorist sympathizers like you may not like what we are doing, but thats too bad.

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Here we go again, I state how I feel and again, you throw insults. I tried to keep it on a debate level, but people like you just want a fight.

Just because I don’t agree with you and certain tactics does not make me a terrorist sympathizer. And as far as glossing over 9/11, GO FUCK YOURSELF! I lost family in 9/11 ASSHOLE! I want Osama’s nuts on a platter, but we aren’t doing that! Instead, we invade Iraq. Don’t get me wrong, Saddam Hussien deserves every bit of hell he gets, but I couldn’t understand the move to Iraq when the fuckface that killed my family is running free! Saddam was a part of the network, but the head is still running free. Your logic is equivallent to a Drug Kingpin who has people working for him. You arrest those people, but you keep letting the leader get away to recruit more people to work for him.

As far as the rest of your post, pointing to a website and reciting information that you got through political rhetoric just shows that you are as gullible as the rest of the sheep. By the way, ask yourself why haven’t we done anything about Saudi Arabia, considering that 15 of the 9/11 terrorist were from there? It’s because they play nice with us. They sell us oil freely, so we turn a blind eye to the autrocities that happen there (Women not allowed to get an education, not allowed to work, express an opinion or even walk the streets without a man. People who speak out are never heard from again, etc.) Very similar to when Reagan was in office and Saddam played nice with us. But you are probably too young to know anything about that.

In other words, STFU and understand that opinions aren’t insults directed at you. So stop acting like a baby and lashing out at people who don’t agree with you.