[quote]forlife wrote:
Lucasa,
Let’s cut to the chase. It always comes down to this in the end of these discussions:
Either every major health organization, from the CDC to the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, Surgeon General, National Association of Social Workers, American Academy of Pediatrics, etc. is wrong, or the views of organizations like NARTH with an admitted homophobic bias are wrong. Not coincidentally, most of the latter tend to be believers with a religious conviction against homosexuality.
So which is it?
Who is more likely to be correct? The scientists and health practitioners, based on 35 years of research on homosexuality, or the believers with a religious conviction that homosexuality is a sin?
I realized long ago that no amount of scientific evidence would make any difference to a believer. When you have faith, why do you need facts? Clearly, science just hasn’t figured it out yet. Or…maybe science actually has figured it out and the believers should leave the facts to science. Not that all believers oppose homosexuality; many do in fact get it.
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This has been explained to you repeatedly but for some reason (yeah we know the reason) you don’t want to face it.
When the APA fell to a few key homosexual activists it changed it’s policy on gay mental health within something like 48 hours. No testing, no surveys and no science. Pure politics. When this happened the other organizations of which you speak had no alternative but to change their policy as the APA was the lead psycholocial organization.
Once again, here is the full story for those who were not aware:
[quote]In 1963, the New York Academy of Medicine charged its Committee on Public Health to report on homosexuality because they feared it was on the increase. The Committee reported:
[H]omosexuality is indeed an illness. The homosexual is an emotionally disturbed individual who has not acquired the normal capacity to develop satisfying heterosexual relations.
But just 10 years later, everything changed. In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association voted to strike homosexuality from the officially approved list of psychiatric illnesses. Why was this done? As Jeffrey Satinover, M.D., details in his book, â??Homosexuality and the Politics of Truthâ??:
Ronald Bayer, then a Fellow at the Hastings Institute in New York, reported that in 1970, homosexual activists within the APA planned a â??systematic effort to disrupt the annual meetings of the American Psychiatric Association.â??
Like bullies on the playground, homosexual activists didnâ??t want to play by the rules. You know, the rules that say if you want to influence a body of science, you should conduct properly designed studies and build scientific research that makes your case. No. There werenâ??t any scientific studies like that (still arenâ??t). No problem, just harass and intimidate those scientists who present properly designed studies that you donâ??t like. Like Dr. Irving Bieber, prominent psychoanalyst and psychiatrist, who presented a paper on â??homosexuality and transsexualismâ?? at the 1970 APA convention. Instead of challenging his findings by questioning the accuracy of his research methods, they just disrupted his presentation. Way easier. Especially when there isnâ??t any research to support your position.
Imagine the prestigious, scientific setting of the APA conference where Dr. Bieber presents his study â?? homosexual activists employ what has become their customary tactic: fear and intimidation. As Bieber begins to present his research, homosexual attendees loudly mock and laugh at him. They further disrupt his presentation by shouting and calling him names and making threats, suggesting he deserved to be â??drawn and quartered.â?? If we said something like that about homosexuals, itâ??d be a â??hate crime.â??
On May 3, 1971, the psychiatrist protesters broke into a meeting of distinguished members of their profession and grabbed the microphone â?? giving it to one of their allied outside activists, who proclaimed:
Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you. â?¦ Weâ??re rejecting you all as our owners.
â??No one raised an objection,â?? recounts Dr. Satinover. Their disruption was met with more reconciliation and an appearance before the APAâ??s Committee on Nomenclature. Further bullying and lobbying delivered the committee vote that maybe, just maybe, homosexual behavior was not a sign of psychiatric disorder after all.
By the time of the 1973 APA convention, the group announced its new â??findingâ?? with only 15 minutes for dissenters to discuss 70 years of psychiatric research to the contrary. The hijacked vote was formally appealed to the full membership. But activists already had a letter drafted, in part by friends at the National Gay Taskforce, urging a vote to â??retain the nomenclature change,â?? which was sent to the 30,000 APA members with the money the NGTF had raised. Of course, no one let on to APA members that the letter came from homosexual activists, as Dr. Bayer revealed, â??that would have been â??the kiss of death.â??â?? But the letter drafted and paid for by the NGTF was able to secure a majority response from a third of the members who responded. But the vast majority was not behind the change. How do I know? Four years later, the Medical Journal Aspects of Human Sexuality reported a survey showing “69 percent of psychiatrists disagreed with the vote and still considered homosexuality a disorder.”[/quote]
For those who have been drinking in forlife’s swill reread that final sentence.
Politically correct twisted logic BUSTED AGAIN!