New Training Questions

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Thy. wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Eazy wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Eazy wrote:
Coach, would you still recommend this program of yours from way back? Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION

Yes, but I would make sure to use the perfect rep and ramping sets. Good program for that actually.

So, rather than using the extended set method as you outlined to get to 8 reps, just ramp up to the max weight i can use to reach 8 reps for that day on the given exercises?

I would do … 2 reps, rest 5 sec. 2 reps. rest 5 sec., 2 reps, rest 5 sec, 2 reps … that is one set. Start at around 70% of your max and ramp up at every set.

Is this to be done with re-racking the bar?

Ideally starting from pins.[/quote]

I’m guessing the set-up for the bench would be like you have it set-up in the I,Bodybuilder video?

Also, keep with the same method for presses, squats, deadlifts, etc correct?

I really feel great at each attempt, the pause really gets me in the zone, its weird.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Thy. wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Eazy wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Eazy wrote:
Coach, would you still recommend this program of yours from way back? Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION

Yes, but I would make sure to use the perfect rep and ramping sets. Good program for that actually.

So, rather than using the extended set method as you outlined to get to 8 reps, just ramp up to the max weight i can use to reach 8 reps for that day on the given exercises?

I would do … 2 reps, rest 5 sec. 2 reps. rest 5 sec., 2 reps, rest 5 sec, 2 reps … that is one set. Start at around 70% of your max and ramp up at every set.

Is this to be done with re-racking the bar?

Ideally starting from pins.[/quote

I’m guessing the set-up for the bench would be like you have it set-up in the I,Bodybuilder video?

Also, keep with the same method for presses, squats, deadlifts, etc correct?

I really feel great at each attempt, the pause really gets me in the zone, its weird.

Thibs,

Is there an unloading week for phase 2 and phase 3 of Beast Building?

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
King Eric wrote:
Ok its all making sense now.

Its just that in my case pairing with its synergist wouldn’t be what I’m looking to do because one of the key reasons i want to do a chest spec is because my front delts and tris are much stronger in comparison with my chest, so they end up doing most the work when benching etc.

So how would this look (I play rugby on Saturdays and sometimes Thursdays.)

Mon - Chest Heavy lifting.
Tues - Back, Shoulders and Arms
Wed- Chest density - capacity lifting
Thurs - rest
Friday - Chest explosive or higher volume
Saturday - Rest (RUGBY)
Sunday - Legs

?

And how would a density-capacity workout look like?

Thanks
J

Density-capacity…

A1. Bench press 2 reps
A2. DB flies 4 reps
A3. Incline DB press 2 reps
A4. Dips 2 reps

Perform as a circuit with the max weight you can accelerate for the required number of reps (around 80-85%) . Rest around 15-25 seconds between exercises (time to set up) and perform an exercise until you can’t accelerate it anymore. When you can’t accelerate an exercise, drop it from the circuit and continue on with the others. Do that until all exercises are eliminated.[/quote]

Thibs,

  1. Should all of these exercises on the density-capacity day be started in the 60-70% range, then autoregulated by increasing the weight until you can’t accelerate anymore? Or should should they be started and maintained in the 80-85% range?

  2. Not related to the previous question. But regarding your previous recommendations, should ramping be used mostly just on the first heavy exercise during a workout to wake up the CNS. On secondary, or last exercises, do you recommend starting in the 60-70% range and increasing the weight until accelerations slows as well? I understand/believe that the whole workout should be autoregulated, just getting confused as to wether or not you recommend that the rest of the exercises during the workout be done this way as well?
    Thanks
    Thanks

Coach

I have difficulties to find out the best way to perform supersets. I suppose that according the work over the muscle group is different I mean there are differences between post fatigue and pre fatigue supersets and supersets between antagonic muscle groups.

If I want include a superset like in HSS, reps under 12, would I ramp during the superset portion? Is there any difference to perform it as post fatigue or pre fatigue?

I’d really appreciate a quick example to how to do the best reps in a supersets as I’m experimenting a new dimension with ramping up and autoregulation.

Thanks

[quote]michell wrote:
Coach

I have difficulties to find out the best way to perform supersets. I suppose that according the work over the muscle group is different I mean there are differences between post fatigue and pre fatigue supersets and supersets between antagonic muscle groups.

If I want include a superset like in HSS, reps under 12, would I ramp during the superset portion? Is there any difference to perform it as post fatigue or pre fatigue?

I’d really appreciate a quick example to how to do the best reps in a supersets as I’m experimenting a new dimension with ramping up and autoregulation.

Thanks
[/quote]

Ramping can’t really be done with supersets for the same muscle group (post-fatigue and pre-fatigue). The reason is that even if you were to ramp up the weights, the combined fatigue from both exercises would counter any performance-enhancing potential that activation may have.

This is why if you do these kinds of supersets, you need to do them at the end of your workouts when:

  1. Your CNS is already activated
  2. You will not have any more work to do after the supersets so any fatigue will not lead to a decrease in performance

I would pick post-fatigue over pre-fatigue… (perform the compound first) and only go to max force for around 5 reps on that first exercise, and you can go to slightly higher reps on the isolation move and closer to failure (although I would not shoot for failure on purpose).

For example you might do:

A1. Flat DB press 5 reps with a load were you can dominate every rep
A2. DB flies 8 reps with close to your 8RM of the moment

Keep the weight the same for all sets… if fatigue prevents your from doing more than 3-4 max force reps on A1, stop that portion of the superset before you did 5 reps… on A1 you want to dominate all the reps… on A2, also keep the same weight, but as fatigue sets in you can go closer and closer to muscle failure. Once you hit failure, you’re done with this technique for the day.

[quote]Italiano wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
King Eric wrote:
Ok its all making sense now.

Its just that in my case pairing with its synergist wouldn’t be what I’m looking to do because one of the key reasons i want to do a chest spec is because my front delts and tris are much stronger in comparison with my chest, so they end up doing most the work when benching etc.

So how would this look (I play rugby on Saturdays and sometimes Thursdays.)

Mon - Chest Heavy lifting.
Tues - Back, Shoulders and Arms
Wed- Chest density - capacity lifting
Thurs - rest
Friday - Chest explosive or higher volume
Saturday - Rest (RUGBY)
Sunday - Legs

?

And how would a density-capacity workout look like?

Thanks
J

Density-capacity…

A1. Bench press 2 reps
A2. DB flies 4 reps
A3. Incline DB press 2 reps
A4. Dips 2 reps

Perform as a circuit with the max weight you can accelerate for the required number of reps (around 80-85%) . Rest around 15-25 seconds between exercises (time to set up) and perform an exercise until you can’t accelerate it anymore. When you can’t accelerate an exercise, drop it from the circuit and continue on with the others. Do that until all exercises are eliminated.

Thibs, should all of these exercises on the density-capacity day be started in the 60-70% range, then autoregulated by increasing the weight until you can’t accelerate anymore? Or should should they be started and maintained in the 80-85% range?
Thanks
[/quote]

Both can be done. If you do not have a lot of experience, ramping up would work best.

[quote]Mondy wrote:
Thibs,

Is there an unloading week for phase 2 and phase 3 of Beast Building?[/quote]

Unloading should only be done when you feel that it is needed. After phase 2 it might be, but after phase 3 you should simply switch to a lower stress training regimen for 2-3 weeks and let the delayed gains occur.

CT, is it possibly detrimental to keep a log book of your training. It seems like keeping a log book would make a person chase numbers(ex. changing form to get more reps or weight to beat the log book) instead of properly autoregulating. Not sure if anyone asked this yet.

[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
CT, is it possibly detrimental to keep a log book of your training. It seems like keeping a log book would make a person chase numbers(ex. changing form to get more reps or weight to beat the log book) instead of properly autoregulating. Not sure if anyone asked this yet.[/quote]

That is a very good question!

I still see the usefulness of a log book; but it shouldn’t only be focused on numbers.

Numbers by themselves don’t tell the whole story.

Let’s take two scenarios:

  1. On week 1 you bench pressed 315 for 5 reps, reps 1-3 were very explosive, reps 4 and 5 where slower; a week later you bench pressed 325 for 5 reps, reps 1-3 were very explosive, rep 4 was slow and you barely made rep 5 (grinding for a few seconds)

  2. On week 1 you bench pressed 315 for 5 reps reps 1-3 were very explosive, reps 4 and 5 where slower; a week later you bench pressed 320 and all the reps were explosive

In a traditional log, you would have written:

Scenario 1:
Week 1 - 315 x 5
Week 2 - 325 x 5

Scenario 2
Week 1 - 315 x 5
Week 2 - 320 x 5

In that case scenario 1 seems to have shown better improvement where in reality scenario 2 shows the biggest improvement (IMHO).

By all means write down a log, but after each set note the quality of the rep… when you felt activated during the workout… when you started to tire out, etc.

By lower stress training regiem, do you mean less sets, or lower 1 rep max percentage?

Thib,

After burning through and then out on an Inno-Sports type training program, I decided to use some of your training techniques combined with Doug Hepburn’s and Ethan Reeves views. My goal is to perfect the exercises as far as explosiveness and technique. This is what I came up with. You comments please.

Day 1

Stimulation Exercise 3x3 ( adding weight each set, working in the 70% - 85% range )

STIM 1: Reverse band Bench with Chains: I like this exercise as a ME type, but proved to be a bad STIM exercise. When I went to standard bench with chains, My body was waiting for the deload at the bottom, it took me 4 sets to reset this muscle memory. I used partial bench of pins for the prior 3 weeks with great results, just wanted to shift another type exercise to keep from getting stale. I will try a hybrid of the twitch and Oscillatory isometrics next week.

Main 1A: Bench Press w/Chains: Constant weight for 8 x 2. Weight is 75% at bottom and 85% at top. I rotated through medium and close grips for 1st 4 sets and then switched to medium wide for last 4 sets. I made sure my reps were explosive and swapped between deliberate pauses and explosive turn- arounds.

The last 4 sets I concentrated on bending the bar to activate lowering with the lats and tucking my elbows and then firing the triceps on the concentric phase. Other than the hang over from the poor chosen STIM exercise, this went real well. I plan on adding a rep or two every Workout until I hit 8 x 3 and then I will up the weight and start over again.

Main 1B: single arm DB row: 8 x 2 with about 80% of estimated Max. Rotated between ripping it off the floor for first rep and pulling from hanging position. I Concentrated on gripping hard and tensing back biceps before and during reps.

Next time I will be attempting to lower with chest muscles as I am able to do with standard Bent-over rows with barbell. I really like the way this exercise felt and will work up to 8 x 3 over time as with exercise one.

Auxiliary 1: Single DB Tricep extension: 1 x 5 at about 80% of Max. Deliberate reps with pauses and tension on triceps. My Triceps respond well to this exercise but only with low sets. I performed a 2nd set after my Pump 1 and pump two rotation below for extra work.

Auxiliary 2: Isometric crush at sticking point: 1 x 8 seconds. I have a goal of holding the Bull Worker X2 out in front of me an closing the damn thing in a crushing motion. I made up a couple of devices with ropes and handles and try to emulate the sticking point with the bullworker. I am up for suggestions here. This has worked Okay, I usually test the bullworker every three weeks or so and I have about 4 inches to go.

Pump 1A: Bench press with chains: 2 x 6 at 62% at bottom and 72% at top. Medium grip and controlled the weight, left a little, plan is to work up to a comfortable 3 x 8 and then increase weight and start over.

Pump 1B: single arm DB row: 2 x6 at about 65%. Controlled reps with deliberate pauses and tension, plan is to work up to a comfortable 3 x 8 and then increase weight and start over.

Auxiliary 3: Repeated Single DB Tricep extension: 1 x 5 at about 80% of Max.

Overall I like the workout, feel tight and powerful the day after. I am a believer in frequent workouts and I think this is one I will use in my rotation. I rested about 1 minute between main exercises rotating between each and about 30 seconds on pump and auxiliary.

I will probably increase the rest when I get closer to the 8 x 3 scheme. Today I will do 1 Arm Db clean and press and CLose grip pull-up with triangle attachment as main and pump exercises . I will use a STIM of maybe push press of off of the pins. A set or two of db or reverse curls.

Comments ?

Cheers,

Frank

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
michell wrote:
Coach

I have difficulties to find out the best way to perform supersets. I suppose that according the work over the muscle group is different I mean there are differences between post fatigue and pre fatigue supersets and supersets between antagonic muscle groups.

If I want include a superset like in HSS, reps under 12, would I ramp during the superset portion? Is there any difference to perform it as post fatigue or pre fatigue?

I’d really appreciate a quick example to how to do the best reps in a supersets as I’m experimenting a new dimension with ramping up and autoregulation.

Thanks

Ramping can’t really be done with supersets for the same muscle group (post-fatigue and pre-fatigue). The reason is that even if you were to ramp up the weights, the combined fatigue from both exercises would counter any performance-enhancing potential that activation may have.

This is why if you do these kinds of supersets, you need to do them at the end of your workouts when:

  1. Your CNS is already activated
  2. You will not have any more work to do after the supersets so any fatigue will not lead to a decrease in performance

I would pick post-fatigue over pre-fatigue… (perform the compound first) and only go to max force for around 5 reps on that first exercise, and you can go to slightly higher reps on the isolation move and closer to failure (although I would not shoot for failure on purpose).

For example you might do:

A1. Flat DB press 5 reps with a load were you can dominate every rep
A2. DB flies 8 reps with close to your 8RM of the moment

Keep the weight the same for all sets… if fatigue prevents your from doing more than 3-4 max force reps on A1, stop that portion of the superset before you did 5 reps… on A1 you want to dominate all the reps… on A2, also keep the same weight, but as fatigue sets in you can go closer and closer to muscle failure. Once you hit failure, you’re done with this technique for the day.[/quote]

Thank you so much

I didn’t catch how autoregulate with supersets.

After a primary movement, do you consider you have the CNS activated? I mean if I should performe some feel sets and explosive sets of the compund part until dominate the 5 reps.

Thib,

How would you address a wrist weakness that is most prominent in the straight bar curl ?

Just training this exercise through the pain doesn’t seem enough to cause the wrists to “adapt”…

Coach,

I’m currently bulking, and i’m trying to minimize fat gain. While i don’t have calipers, i don’t have that much fat around my stomach (i don’t know if i’ve got any visceral, kinda hard to judge). However, my stomach sticks out like im bloated all the time, and it does this even when i’m dieting. Add this to a concave chest and it looks like i’ve got a small beer belly lol.

I’ve heard of a few other posters with this problem, and i was wondering what you would do to address it. I was thinking of training the deeper abdominal muscles, namely the transverse abs, however the only exercise i know for them is the plank and that hasn’t really helped me in the past.

Thanks for your time

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
MAF14 wrote:
when training to prevent muscle loss during a fat loss stage,
is there a certain percentage of your max you aim for?

My own training and the one my athletes are doing doesn’t really change during a fat loss phase. I have several athletes actually break PRs deep into their diet. My partner Nick is competing in 10 days and he is still beating or equalling PRs.

With “fat loss only” clients I might do some metabolic work, but for those who want to be big and muscular I keep the lifting strategies the same as during a regular or mass gaining phase. Autoregulation just becomes more important as the training needs to be adjusted to the daily energy levels.[/quote]

thank you, i see what you mean…

what would you do for metabolic work on a chest/shoulders day?

Coach,
I just wanted to say thank you.

I tried a deadlift program you mentioned in a post a few months back. It was a 2 day program, top end and low end. It worked wonders for me. In 6 weeks, my deadlift shot up 25 lbs. I pulled 491 at a bodyweight of 193. Previous PR was 461. I appreciate all of the free information you give out. It’s very helpful.

The video of my lift if interested:

Coach,
I just wanted to say thank you.

I tried a deadlift program you mentioned in a post a few months back. It was a 2 day program, top end and low end. It worked wonders for me. In 6 weeks, my deadlift shot up 25 lbs. I pulled 491 at a bodyweight of 193. Previous PR was 461. I appreciate all of the free information you give out. It’s very helpful.

The video of my lift if interested:

Coach,
I just wanted to say thank you.

I tried a deadlift program you mentioned in a post a few months back. It was a 2 day program, top end and low end. It worked wonders for me. In 6 weeks, my deadlift shot up 25 lbs. I pulled 491 at a bodyweight of 193. Previous PR was 461. I appreciate all of the free information you give out. It’s very helpful.

The video of my lift if interested:

[quote]timmcbride00 wrote:
Coach,
I just wanted to say thank you.

I tried a deadlift program you mentioned in a post a few months back. It was a 2 day program, top end and low end. It worked wonders for me. In 6 weeks, my deadlift shot up 25 lbs. I pulled 491 at a bodyweight of 193. Previous PR was 461. I appreciate all of the free information you give out. It’s very helpful.

The video of my lift if interested:

Congrats on the well-earned PR… your home gym kinda looks like mine, only mine is even messier!