[quote]unbending wrote:
TKL.ca wrote:
Just do what the traffic does. If everyone else is speeding, they can’t do shit. On the freeways here the max speed is 80km/h, which is retarded. Nobody gets speeding tickets cause all the cars go about 100km/h anyway.
If by freeway, you mean highway then where I live (Toronto) limit is 100km/hr but during rush hour on some stretches it varies from 20km/hr to 150km/hr.[/quote]
By freeway I mean freeway. The highways here are 110km/h. The freeway I was referring to is poorly designed and runs right through the city. Idiots are always trying to merge into the traffic while going 80km/h, meanwhile the other cars are going 100km/h. Road rage anyone?
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
Don’t like fines? Don’t break the law.[/quote]
Yeah, I suppose you think Harriet Tubman is just a dirty criminal that deserves whatever the law said she did. Let’s entertain more extreme ideology: imagine that every citizen were expected to get a GPS microchip embedded in them. Would you march over to city hall and get yours? What about your kids? What of unconstitutional laws? Anyways, thank you for once again reaffirming why I own guns.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
Don’t like fines? Don’t break the law.
Yeah, I suppose you think Harriet Tubman is just a dirty criminal that deserves whatever the law said she did. Let’s entertain more extreme ideology: imagine that every citizen were expected to get a GPS microchip embedded in them. Would you march over to city hall and get yours? What about your kids? What of unconstitutional laws? Anyways, thank you for once again reaffirming why I own guns.
mike[/quote]
If you don’t get your microchip, you are breaking the law. You are a common petty criminal and you deserve to spend the rest of your life rotting in jail.
[quote]TKL.ca wrote:
Just do what the traffic does. If everyone else is speeding, they can’t do shit. On the freeways here the max speed is 80km/h, which is retarded. Nobody gets speeding tickets cause all the cars go about 100km/h anyway.
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They told us this in Driver’s Ed. It is bullsh!t. I’ve seen where cops sit on the left side of the road and pull over everyone who passes by. Why? Because everyone is speeding.
This is shit. Speeding fines are like a regressive tax. What does the rich man care about a $1000 fine? But the poor man has just been financially ruined, when he was already doing poorly.
And the greater the fine, the greater the regressive damage. Before, it was “Lets punish the poor, for having nothing.” Now they want to destroy us. Assholes.
Money’s voice gets bigger and the human’s voice gets smaller every day. Until revolution time. See you then.
[quote]Chewie wrote:
TKL.ca wrote:
Just do what the traffic does. If everyone else is speeding, they can’t do shit. On the freeways here the max speed is 80km/h, which is retarded. Nobody gets speeding tickets cause all the cars go about 100km/h anyway.
They told us this in Driver’s Ed. It is bullsh!t. I’ve seen where cops sit on the left side of the road and pull over everyone who passes by. Why? Because everyone is speeding.
Moral: drive in the middle lane.
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They will probably pull the easiest fish.
last year i was traveling in a line of 5 or 6 cars doing 85. i slowed and dropped off the back to take a call and got pegged @ 76 in a 65 while the cars i was riding with just kept on going.
For those of you in Virginia, I seriously suggest you look into what options you have as a voting citizen to remove or impeach the legislators who voted for this. If nothing else, call your legislators and bitch their ears off time and time and time again. They’ll get the message.
This is a ridiculously blatant abuse of power, and it should not be tolerated.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
Don’t like fines? Don’t break the law.
Yeah, I suppose you think Harriet Tubman is just a dirty criminal that deserves whatever the law said she did. Let’s entertain more extreme ideology: imagine that every citizen were expected to get a GPS microchip embedded in them. Would you march over to city hall and get yours? What about your kids? What of unconstitutional laws? Anyways, thank you for once again reaffirming why I own guns.
mike[/quote]
I wouldn’t quite equate a high fine for speeding with microchipping anybody.
And I don’t see how this law is unconstitutional. Driving is a privilege, not a right. If you don’t like the laws they make, don’t drive or don’t speed.
I understand why people are upset, especially with how this law was passed and by whom it was lead, but I wish they had strict laws like that as far as speeding go here in Phoenix. Driving in Phoenix is ridiculous because it isn’t safe to do the speed limit, just as someone else mentioned. I don’t go the speed limit here for that reason.
However, I wish cops were able to do a better job and give more tickets/fines making it less desirable for people to speed. This is one of those laws that has been put into effect to curb mass speeding, not just the speeding of individual people.
The only way to calm an excessive speeding area is by radical things such as this.
[quote]TKL.ca wrote:
Just do what the traffic does. If everyone else is speeding, they can’t do shit. On the freeways here the max speed is 80km/h, which is retarded. Nobody gets speeding tickets cause all the cars go about 100km/h anyway.
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Sit in court in Fairfax County and listen to people all morning say they were keeping up with traffic. Unfortunately keeping up with traffic does not mean you may not receive a ticket. If you get picked by an officer, you get the ticket.
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
swivel wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
Don’t like fines? Don’t break the law.
don’t break the law ?
don’t make the law is more like it.
the maker of this law is an attorney who makes his money in traffic court. this doesn’t disturb you ?
It does disturb me, absolutely. But i’m not worried about it because I won’t be the one who gets pulled over.[/quote]
you should be worried that corrupt officials are making laws that affect an entire state. you should be worried that this guy is one step away from making laws for the entire country. you should be alot less worried that speeders get places faster than you and don’t get caught. speeding is not a crime equated with graft.
[quote]swivel wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
swivel wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
Don’t like fines? Don’t break the law.
don’t break the law ?
don’t make the law is more like it.
the maker of this law is an attorney who makes his money in traffic court. this doesn’t disturb you ?
It does disturb me, absolutely. But i’m not worried about it because I won’t be the one who gets pulled over.
you should be worried that corrupt officials are making laws that affect an entire state. you should be worried that this guy is one step away from making laws for the entire country. you should be alot less worried that speeders get places faster than you and don’t get caught. speeding is not a crime equated with graft.
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I’m not worried by who made this law, i’m disturbed by it. Just like I said in the post you replied to.
I speed myself, as I stated in my last post preceeding yours. I speed because it’s dangerous not to. I don’t agree with this law 100%, but I like the basis of it. To me, it’s just like traffic cameras. A huge deterrent.
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
… I don’t agree with this law 100%, but I like the basis of it. To me, it’s just like traffic cameras. A huge deterrent.[/quote]
???
“the basis of it” clearly is not to make traffic safer. “the basis of it” is to funnel revenue away from the state and to the traffic attorneys.
you really think $1000 and points for 7 years is reasonable for failure to signal ? $1000 could be family groceries for a month to some. $1000 could be a car payment for 4 months.
this law is being sold on public safety sure, but the true “basis” of it only serves to fleece people who can’t afford to defend themselves.
[quote]swivel wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
Don’t like fines? Don’t break the law.
don’t break the law ?
don’t make the law is more like it.
the maker of this law is an attorney who makes his money in traffic court. this doesn’t disturb you ?
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Great response swivel…I hate when people just blindly follow rules without thinking WHY it was put in place or if its even necessary…
[quote]swivel wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
… I don’t agree with this law 100%, but I like the basis of it. To me, it’s just like traffic cameras. A huge deterrent.
???
“the basis of it” clearly is not to make traffic safer. “the basis of it” is to funnel revenue away from the state and to the traffic attorneys.
you really think $1000 and points for 7 years is reasonable for failure to signal ? $1000 could be family groceries for a month to some. $1000 could be a car payment for 4 months.
this law is being sold on public safety sure, but the true “basis” of it only serves to fleece people who can’t afford to defend themselves.
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Eexxxactly.
Jersey has something similar but not nearly as costly, yet still the roads are horrible. If they want to impose these crazy types of taxes they should have greater responsibilities to drivers.
They will impose a tax law like this over night, yet laws to raise gas efficiency are proposed for 2020, or lower gas taxes by 2015. Or better a highway will be under construction allowing access to one lane for 2 years. It’s like nowadays we just shell out money for bullshit.
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
Don’t like fines? Don’t break the law.
Yeah, I suppose you think Harriet Tubman is just a dirty criminal that deserves whatever the law said she did. Let’s entertain more extreme ideology: imagine that every citizen were expected to get a GPS microchip embedded in them. Would you march over to city hall and get yours? What about your kids? What of unconstitutional laws? Anyways, thank you for once again reaffirming why I own guns.
mike
I wouldn’t quite equate a high fine for speeding with microchipping anybody.
And I don’t see how this law is unconstitutional. Driving is a privilege, not a right. If you don’t like the laws they make, don’t drive or don’t speed.
I understand why people are upset, especially with how this law was passed and by whom it was lead, but I wish they had strict laws like that as far as speeding go here in Phoenix. Driving in Phoenix is ridiculous because it isn’t safe to do the speed limit, just as someone else mentioned. I don’t go the speed limit here for that reason.
However, I wish cops were able to do a better job and give more tickets/fines making it less desirable for people to speed. This is one of those laws that has been put into effect to curb mass speeding, not just the speeding of individual people.
The only way to calm an excessive speeding area is by radical things such as this.
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The problem I see with unconstitutionality is the fact that out of state drivers are not ticketed at the same rate. Maybe this would eb allowed because of the state driving issue, but it seems to me to be different punishments for different sectors of the population.
A politician’s job should be to come up with ideas for laws and the citizens should vote whether they actually become laws. that is a real democracy. A modified version of this concept should also be put in place in regards to municipal budgets. laters pk
[quote]swivel wrote:
JokerFMJ wrote:
… I don’t agree with this law 100%, but I like the basis of it. To me, it’s just like traffic cameras. A huge deterrent.
???
“the basis of it” clearly is not to make traffic safer. “the basis of it” is to funnel revenue away from the state and to the traffic attorneys.
you really think $1000 and points for 7 years is reasonable for failure to signal ? $1000 could be family groceries for a month to some. $1000 could be a car payment for 4 months.
this law is being sold on public safety sure, but the true “basis” of it only serves to fleece people who can’t afford to defend themselves.
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If you can’t afford to speed, don’t. I don’t see why that’s such a hard thing to follow. You’re not supposed to be speeding anyway.
Why is speeding necessary? I just don’t understand why you seem to be pro-speeding. And if you’re not, then my mistake, I apologize, it’s just how you seem to be coming across.
I have issues with this law, but I like the premise - stop speeding. Whether or not that’s what the politician/lawyer who fronted the law’s real intention was, I hope it works and it curbs speeding. If someone loses their home, can’t feed themselves, loses their job or car, etc… because they chose to speed, that’s their fault.
Have 10 kids and can’t afford to feed them, that’s your fault unless there was some amazing occurences that forced you to have 10 kids.
Sorry if I don’t feel sympathy for people breaking the laws. That doesn’t mean I agree with every aspect of the law.