[quote]Mennotinblack wrote:
Lh above 1 is in acceptable ranges for men. I get bloodwork done 4x a year. While not ideal, an lh of 3 can produce testosterone of 1000 if the testis are sensitive. Average for male is between 3-7, range prolly 1-10. So 7 iu is fine. Do not use so much hcg you suppress lh or desensitize testes. I wouldnt use trip to restart your hpta now because the hpta isnt the problem at the pituitary level, your ballbag is. Give it some zinc, vitamin D, maybe daa, horny plants, and hcg. Or time. Your choice. If all else fails then look into a trip shot, consult doctor, etc. [/quote]
Well considering he’s 40, ran test and deca for 20 weeks having a high LH and low T could be signs of primary hypogonadism. Not saying it is but could be something going on. So I wouldn’t quite say it’s fine. LH jumps around a lot so a retest may be needed.
[quote]Mennotinblack wrote:
Lh and test normally fall following serms. But an LH of 7 is just fine. The problem is primary hypogonadism. Only solution, hcg or time.[/quote]
Think so? I’m not sure a 400ng/dl amount of test is so unusual in a guy who’s in his mid-40s. Especially when we have no idea what his baseline levels were. It’s possible that he could have somewhat high LH and lowish test due to climacteric. Probably your safest course of action is to see a doctor and get a more complete hormonal profile.
Also, I really don’t think diagnosis over the internet is a good idea 99% of the time.
Its not unusual at all. Especially because LH pulses. But an LH of 7 and test of less than 400 means your testes arent very sensitive. When my LH is lower (4), my test is still about 700. Could be from age, but aas should give the testes a break so if it doesnt destroy the hpta (which many claim you have a higher risk at older age).
When the testis bounce back they sometimes show a slight temporary boost. And 400 is shitty for any age. A normal 30 year old man should be 650 ng/dl. Average for a teenager is suprisingly actually less (not the range which is broader, the average). At a 1 percent loss per year from about 30, 376 in mid 40’s could be substantially improved.
When doctors see 400, theyll use diet and excersize often to help those 40 year old men get their levela up. Time or hcg, but this man should shoot for maintaining about 500. The night erections are a very good sign. There’s not really a rush, so if he wanted to id get bioavailable testosterone tested to tell you what your nutsack and muscle building capabilities are actually working with. Do everything you can to stimulate your testes. More workouts, more sex, more sleeping, and the supplies that let their gears turn.-
Thanks again guys for the info…
I will keep all posted…
Keep in mind, my LH was at 3.2 two weeks ago…
Now at 7.
I believe that this is part of my recovery … After using deca for a long time you become shut down in more than one place…testes, hypothal, and pituitary… Essentially having primary and secondary hypogonadism…
I believe my hypo and pituitary have restarted and recognize low test and have ramped up in between my last two blood tests…
Concurrently, both libido and erection quality have slightly improved sinse this latest test…
The real trouble appears to be at the testes… Low sensitivity to LH…
Which, should increase over time …pros and moderators please comment …
Btw… Estrogen is now at 20 from 15…
Can estrogen at 15 have been causing some problems as well?
The reference range did not specify that 15 was too low…
It just referenced that <20-56 was the range…
I used different lab and obtained the 15 level…
On latest bloods it had gone up to 20 and the level of sides affects have slightly improved…
[quote]Mennotinblack wrote:
Its not unusual at all. Especially because LH pulses. But an LH of 7 and test of less than 400 means your testes arent very sensitive.[/quote]
It isn’t unusual at all, hence my point about climacteric, which is characterized by your primary sex organs being less responsive to LH due to age. As such, we see a corresponding rise in LH to try and maintain androgen production (though more pronounced in women), a drop in sex hormones, and often a rise in SHBG. OP is in his mid-40s, so it’s not unlikely, either. But we have no way of knowing whether this is the case or not since we don’t have baseline bloods. That’s why I said getting some more comprehensive testing would probably be a good idea, and at very least, wouldn’t hurt.
I do have several full bloods over the last 5 months… Which would you like me to post.?
I have just turned forty …
Before cycle all sexual function was very strong … Never an issue…
It does appear that the libidos and erections are coming back quite decent in the last 2 weeks…
Is this common for deca to cause the lingering disfunction…?
Thanks again mate…!
Again, these numbers are following a 20 week cycle that included deca . …and NO HCG…
The rise in lh came at the very week that the deca would have dropped below 12 mg still in blood system…
Just a thought…
If the rise in LH is a result from being free from suppression, it is likely a good sign…
It is my understanding after extensive research , that when an athlete is suppressed from any gear that us NOT a progestin , he would only need to recover teste function… And the use of progestins would require three stages of recovery…testes being the last.
First the hypo, then the pituitary( elivated LH) and then the testes…
If I chart my bloods and side affects over the 5 months of recovery it all falls into place as described…
If someone’s sensitivity to deca or tren is unknown, the safest use must remain at moderate doses(less then 400mg ew) unless then sides are not a concern( or not use at all.)… Some users react negatively and some do not.
I will keep you all posted on further recovery…
Recovery is happening… Very slow , but clearly getting better…
I will get new bloods in 30 days…
Libido is returning slowly and erection quality is much better… Not back to normal yet.
I had a long consultation with the doctor from hpta axis…
He supported the theory I have posted above…
As far as the deca … Yes, the metabolites DO suppress long after the deca has cleared.
I had my strongest suppression 4 months after last pin. My serms helped my through the first 3.
As far as the d- Bol … 20 weeks was not a problem and my bloods confirm that.
My problem was mis timing and no hcg… Lesson learned.!!
If you use deca… Use hcg properly…!
For beginners… If you are going to cycle, DO YOUR RESEARCH …! And have ALL of your meds ON HAND…!
I will keep the forum posted on further recovery…
Hello Guys,
I am back with a recovery update and input would be good…
Most recent bloods show that all hormones are recovering well within the range references ( middle on most)
test was 502 and estradiol was 22.
mood has been good and sleeping better.
Libido is still nothing happening and erections are obtainable but require some " hyper" stimulation ( porn).
The erections used to come with just the thought of sexual things…
I have been at these levels for about 5 days…
Whats a good time frame to expect libido and normal erections to return at my current state…?
Keep in mind, I am at 6 1/2 months post cycle with a mistimed and poor PCT… No HCG used.
I spoke with Scally and he expects a recovery in time or with quick second PCT…
Any thoughts…?
Overall things are looking much better…! Just waiting on the sex drive to return…
[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
Hello Guys,
I am back with a recovery update and input would be good…
Most recent bloods show that all hormones are recovering well within the range references ( middle on most)
test was 502 and estradiol was 22.
mood has been good and sleeping better.
Libido is still nothing happening and erections are obtainable but require some " hyper" stimulation ( porn).
The erections used to come with just the thought of sexual things…
I have been at these levels for about 5 days…
Whats a good time frame to expect libido and normal erections to return at my current state…?
Keep in mind, I am at 6 1/2 months post cycle with a mistimed and poor PCT… No HCG used.
I spoke with Scally and he expects a recovery in time or with quick second PCT…
Any thoughts…?
Overall things are looking much better…! Just waiting on the sex drive to return…[/quote]
there is no way anyone can answer your questions… everyone is unique
Hi MR. Walk…!
Good to see your back man… Hope all is well…
Any experience with once test levels returning time frames for libido to return…?
Some say a few weeks and some say months…
Whats your experience?
[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
Hello Guys,
I am back with a recovery update and input would be good…
Most recent bloods show that all hormones are recovering well within the range references ( middle on most)
test was 502 and estradiol was 22.
mood has been good and sleeping better.
Libido is still nothing happening and erections are obtainable but require some " hyper" stimulation ( porn).
The erections used to come with just the thought of sexual things…
I have been at these levels for about 5 days…
Whats a good time frame to expect libido and normal erections to return at my current state…?
Keep in mind, I am at 6 1/2 months post cycle with a mistimed and poor PCT… No HCG used.
I spoke with Scally and he expects a recovery in time or with quick second PCT…
Any thoughts…?
Overall things are looking much better…! Just waiting on the sex drive to return…[/quote]
Did you have free testosterone checked? Next round of labs tell them you want your pregnenolone, sex hormone binding globulin shbg, cortisol and dhea-s levels and post.
Sounds like things are coming back around and yes it does come slowly. Even with a minimal to moderate hormone deficiency that is undetected by routine blood tests, you can function poorly.
