I’m not trying to jump into the raw/gear debate, but I wanted to make a quick point that I never see brought up when people talk about the disparity between raw lifts and lifts done with equipment. I’m not a powerlifter myself, but I lift with all powerlifters and strongmen, and it seems to me that they all adapt their technique around the gear that they use. In other words, they seem to set up on the bench, even when benching raw, in a way to maximize how much they can bench when they put their shirts on, not how much they can bench during that particular set.
Also, when addressing their weaknesses they do so according to their weak points in gear. If you spend years training to be a great lifter while wearing gear, and then compete raw, I think that that is another reason why there would be a huge drop-off in your numbers. I think it’s very similar to the difficulties a lot of college baseball players have switching from aluminum to wooden bats, because they often have to adjust their swings and timing.
[quote]dempsey606 wrote:
I’m not trying to jump into the raw/gear debate, but I wanted to make a quick point that I never see brought up when people talk about the disparity between raw lifts and lifts done with equipment. I’m not a powerlifter myself, but I lift with all powerlifters and strongmen, and it seems to me that they all adapt their technique around the gear that they use. In other words, they seem to set up on the bench, even when benching raw, in a way to maximize how much they can bench when they put their shirts on, not how much they can bench during that particular set.
Also, when addressing their weaknesses they do so according to their weak points in gear. If you spend years training to be a great lifter while wearing gear, and then compete raw, I think that that is another reason why there would be a huge drop-off in your numbers. I think it’s very similar to the difficulties a lot of college baseball players have switching from aluminum to wooden bats, because they often have to adjust their swings and timing.[/quote]
Players don’t change their swings or timing when switching to wooden bats. The ball just doesn’t go as far.
Whats up fellas First off allow me to tell you something, I went to this meet with two weeks of practice, I hade strep throat and bronchitis, my shoulder hwas bursitis and I have a problem with my rotator. I can squat 800 raw on any given day I lost my balance on the way up The stance you use for raw vs gear is completly diffrent, I took one bench at 500 because I really did not want to damage my shoulder any more than it already was. I pulled 710 which is 65 lbs more than I did last year and had 800 to my knees. I competed year round last year withourt a break and went from strong man to powerlifting without a break. Critisize me all you want but don’t tell me I’m not strong. Enough with the IPA crap all the best lifters in the world have lifted there, the wpo is a political bullshit show, I squatted 1212 to well below parallel and they said I wobbled at the top yeah ok…If any of you would like to see the video please pm…I don’t mind be critisied but know the ciorcumstances before you call me out.
Ya know Mike, as somebody who has been around the sport for a lot of years, having watched you come up, I will state that you seem to be a pretty cool guy and definitely give to the sport.
Having said that, you know as well as I do that powerlifting is all about what you bring to the meet. Nothing else matters.
It is nobody else’s fault but your own that you showed up for a meet with only 2 weeks prep.
I understand you had some serious distractions, and as a father, although we do not know each other, I am relieved that Nica is home and doing well.
However, in regards to NERB, it is what it is. That’s the best you had that day.
If I am not careful, it almost appears to me like a self fulfilling prophecy.
In other words, you knew you couldn’t bring RAW numbers commensurate with your geared squat and bench, so you didn’t prepare, made silly attempt selections, and are now spending a lot of time trying to convince everyone you really can compete in a venue without extreme supportive equipment and lax lifting standards.
You obviously are a strong guy and congrats on the DL PR, but you didn’t bring the squat and bench to the meet.
Let it go. Shit happens.
I would love to see you have a better meet next year.
I did that meet with only 2 weeks prep because it’s all I had what don’t you understand I had just gottne done with the arnold did the Ipa state meet in Leespot and had 4 weeks left till NERB…it wasn’t a choice…As far as lifting in sub par judging again yeah ok and what federation could I lift in wher I could earn YOUR respect. I am really tired of going to meets getting white lights and having people tell me the judges suck funny I’ve competed in the WPO APF IPA AAU and NERB IPF regulation and have passed lifts in all of them…I thought I clearly explained the shoulder issue. Frankly I shouldn’t have even done the meet but I did because I promised I would…so your welcome I’m glad I’m here for you to critisize
apwsearch I don’t feel attacked, what I’m saying is people don’t understand circustances sometimes and will break your balls regardless. To be quite honest I did not want to do the meet I felt like crap. But I try not to make excuses and I did it anyway and I had a bad day. what are you gonna do but to have people walk around and say I get 600lbs our of a squat suit thats insane.
[quote]mule wrote:
apwsearch I don’t feel attacked, what I’m saying is people don’t understand circustances sometimes and will break your balls regardless. To be quite honest I did not want to do the meet I felt like crap. But I try not to make excuses and I did it anyway and I had a bad day. what are you gonna do but to have people walk around and say I get 600lbs our of a squat suit thats insane. [/quote]
Mike,
I think your day in the sun is yet to come, but it will.
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
mule wrote:
apwsearch I don’t feel attacked, what I’m saying is people don’t understand circustances sometimes and will break your balls regardless. To be quite honest I did not want to do the meet I felt like crap. But I try not to make excuses and I did it anyway and I had a bad day. what are you gonna do but to have people walk around and say I get 600lbs our of a squat suit thats insane.
Mike,
I think your day in the sun is yet to come, but it will.
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I agree. I was at the Arnold, and my friends and I had a video of that 1212 squat. Mike went deep and handled the weight very easily.
Also, though he bombed out, I talked to him later that day and he went through each of his squat attempts and told me what happened. He was a very nice guy, and very appreciative of my interest.
Looking forward to seeing you get a huge total, Mike.
[quote]mule wrote:
apwsearch I don’t feel attacked, what I’m saying is people don’t understand circustances sometimes and will break your balls regardless. To be quite honest I did not want to do the meet I felt like crap. But I try not to make excuses and I did it anyway and I had a bad day. what are you gonna do but to have people walk around and say I get 600lbs our of a squat suit thats insane. [/quote]
Maybe you should just switch to competing in strongman so you don’t have to worry about silly judging debate and technical form issues. If you move the weight, you move the weight, 'nuff said.
regards,
sensless
ps I’d love to see any videos of you moving the weights you move.
big mike, i cant believe you are wasting your time defending your lifts on an internet forum after all the stuff you have been through as of late, especially in your personal life.
i have seen videos of some of your squats that were not even close to parallel, but you got white lights, and i admit i have not seen your squat at the Arnold but i heard it was plenty deep by those standards. that’s judging. sometimes you get calls, sometimes you do not.
regardless of what rules or style of strength sport you choose to participate in, i have no doubt you one of the strongest men walking around on this planet today. but if you choose to COMPETE, then there are rules, judges, and certain standards that have to be followed.
AND you have to bring it on meet day, no excuses. that separates the guys who are big and strong as hell, and the ones who have won multiple world championships in credible federations.
i liken the excuses to when a boxer gets his ass beaten and claims he did not train for the fight and was out of shape.