[quote]That One Guy wrote:
In fact, when you think about it, you’ve basically just said. “If you remove what makes something special, then it would be normal” No shit Sherlock. Any other profound statements you’d wish to bless us with?[/quote]
Yeah the dude also has to understand that theres a whole array of characteristics about a specific rapper that sets him apart. For Eminem being white is only part of the package but its more than that. When you can connect with a wider range of music fans then ofcourse you’re going to be successful and thus labeled ‘special.’ Okay, M is white but why is he heavily respected by basically all the top tier MCs today? Fat Joe is white but theres more diss tracks targeting him than his own material.[/quote]
Since when did light skin = white?
Joe is Boricua…or Puerto Rican if you don’t know what Boricua means.
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Lol it doesnt matter what he is in the context of the argument. The point is being a non-black MC doesn’t mean you get some sort of advantage. You still need the ‘right stuff’ to succeed and be respected.
[quote]younggully wrote:
He’s great, but if he was black he would be just another rapper.[/quote]
That’s like saying if Snoop didn’t have his smooth delivery, he’d be just another rapper.
Or if Pac wasn’t so real he’d just be another rapper.
You can’t put up hypotheticals where you dismantle parts of an MC’s persona, because then everybody would be “just another rapper” without the things that distinguish them from others. I think it’s VERY stupid to say what you said. You’re just being a hipster-douche, shooting down everything.[/quote]
Plus 1…
Yes, being white makes him stick out against the crowd. However, I have listened to both mainstream and underground hip-hop and I have yet to find another rapper who can come close to mimicking his combination of heartfelt lyrics, sick beats, and passion.
I think his delivery is better than its ever been, these tracks + the in between ones like Drake’s “Forever” and Lil Wayne’s “Drop the World” he just has this real sharp edge to it that seems different than before.
The new single has more of the modern pop production sound to it but I still like the song, nothing wrong with a bit of a positive uplifting tone. Content is good though its a bit of just saying “here’s what I’m gonna do,” so still waiting for him to do it. I have pretty high hopes for the new album
I think if Paul Wall or Bubba Sparks were black they’d be considered good. The thing that stopped them is they were being “too black” so white media never really accepted them. The same with Haystack and RA, they are way too street to ever be embraced by anyone that watches the grammy’s. I’ve heard my white friends say “eww these guys are so ghetto, where’s your eminem stff?” while looking through my mp3 player.
If Tech n9ne was white he would have been huge long before eminem. He’s awesome too but not considered so because he’s “too white” as of late. A black guy with face paint and red spiked hair that has the same subject matter (but deeper) as eminem scares the shit out of most people (even on this site people are shocked that I’m black). If Brotha Lynch was white he’d get the attention em gets because they are pretty much the same too.
It’s the same when it comes to rock and metal, bands with black singers are backseated because they don’t “fit” even though they may be exponentially better (sevendust). Black guys are usually the toughest and strongest or whatever in horror movies but rarely end up the hero because marketing a black savior isnt “right”. Even further, how many black villains are there besides Candyman…who just happened to be a slave.
[quote]younggully wrote:
He’s great, but if he was black he would be just another rapper.[/quote]
That’s like saying if Snoop didn’t have his smooth delivery, he’d be just another rapper.
Or if Pac wasn’t so real he’d just be another rapper.
You can’t put up hypotheticals where you dismantle parts of an MC’s persona, because then everybody would be “just another rapper” without the things that distinguish them from others. I think it’s VERY stupid to say what you said. You’re just being a hipster-douche, shooting down everything.[/quote]
Wrong. Put your Hanson cd back on.
[quote]younggully wrote:
He’s great, but if he was black he would be just another rapper.[/quote]
That’s like saying if Snoop didn’t have his smooth delivery, he’d be just another rapper.
Or if Pac wasn’t so real he’d just be another rapper.
You can’t put up hypotheticals where you dismantle parts of an MC’s persona, because then everybody would be “just another rapper” without the things that distinguish them from others. I think it’s VERY stupid to say what you said. You’re just being a hipster-douche, shooting down everything.[/quote]
Wrong. Put your Hanson cd back on.[/quote]
Haha, straight to personal insult with no actual feedback. Yeah, I won. Whatever.
[quote]iflyboats wrote:
Bubba Sparxx and Paul Wall suck fucking ass.[/quote]
They do when all you can compare them too is em. If they were black you’d like them if you like Young Buck,Bun B, or any other slow rapping black southern rapper. They might even end up better in your opinion. Guys like Paul and Bubba get no love from Top 40 now because white people werent backing them during the debuts. Black people did though, they were all over BET when Em couldnt get on the station to save his life…he owned MTV though. You can push a white guy that hates his mom but a white guy with a grill that prefers black women over white? That WILL NEVER fly.
I havent cared about anything Em has done since his first lp (rock bottom,i dont give a fuck etc) and it’s good to see him trying to get real again. I don’t think this song will be as big-if it does its due to name. Hopefully he keeps up this “growth” and delivers a good album. I’m actually excited to see if a “real” album without any HorrorCore rip off songs.
A mediocre white rapper will get nowhere… while mediocre black rappers is what makes up a majority of rap music.
To get to the point where being white actually helps your popularity, you have to be good enough to break through the boundary that white people aren’t supposed to be rapping. Its certainly not true that being white, in general, is an advantage in rap. If a white guy had made Soulja Boy’s music he would get fucking laughed at, not record deals and tons of fame.
It’s either Nas or Em as my GOAT. Can’t really go wrong with either.
Eminem is obviously a better lyricist but listening to Nas, man it just always sounds right! I haven’t heard a Nas joint I didn’t like.
Wait till Recovery drops. I’ll go on a limb here and say it’s gonna be his best work EVER.
And as for the “if he was black…”, fuckin bullshit! Royce is a very good MC but Eminem is just on another level. No one can touch him, and if you listen to interviews/videos/songs from Rakim, KRS-ONE, Nas, Jay-z, Lupe, Game etc, they got nothing but love for Eminem. It’s always the whack rappers trying to go at him. If real recognizes real…
[quote]thogue wrote:
A mediocre white rapper will get nowhere… while mediocre black rappers is what makes up a majority of rap music.
To get to the point where being white actually helps your popularity, you have to be good enough to break through the boundary that white people aren’t supposed to be rapping. Its certainly not true that being white, in general, is an advantage in rap. If a white guy had made Soulja Boy’s music he would get fucking laughed at, not record deals and tons of fame.[/quote]
-on a technical level he’s one of the best ever. Flow, rhymes, etc. He’s got it all.
-conceptually his second album was almost perfect and his first and third weren’t bad either
-impact and popularity- need I go into detail?
Seeing as how guys like Jay-Z get thrown into G.O.A.T. discussions, it makes no sense why Em wouldn’t be in the running as well. In fact you could argue one of the big reasons he isn’t is because of race.
Too many people use that line about him being white being is how he got big, then name a bunch of black guys who have maybe one thing in common with him and say “they’d be famous too if only…”. But there’s pretty much no one with that complete package as far as rapping goes. Em’s probably the best rapper since Biggie.
Maybe being white helped him get as popular as only he has gotten in the past decade…but being white has made him seriously underrated as an artist in a genre that’s aficionados are as protective of it’s roots as can be.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Yeah, Eminem is definitely a G.O.A.T. candidate.
-on a technical level he’s one of the best ever. Flow, rhymes, etc. He’s got it all.
-conceptually his second album was almost perfect and his first and third weren’t bad either
-impact and popularity- need I go into detail?
Seeing as how guys like Jay-Z get thrown into G.O.A.T. discussions, it makes no sense why Em wouldn’t be in the running as well. In fact you could argue one of the big reasons he isn’t is because of race.
Too many people use that line about him being white being is how he got big, then name a bunch of black guys who have maybe one thing in common with him and say “they’d be famous too if only…”. But there’s pretty much no one with that complete package as far as rapping goes. Em’s probably the best rapper since Biggie.
Maybe being white helped him get as popular as only he has gotten in the past decade…but being white has made him seriously underrated as an artist in a genre that’s aficionados are as protective of it’s roots as can be. [/quote]
Rugged Man is considered to be GOAT by some and he’s white. He’s one of my top boys. Tech kills Em since everyone here likes to harp on delivery or whatever…Tech owns Em. You gonna say Tech is not comparable?
[quote]thogue wrote:
A mediocre white rapper will get nowhere… while mediocre black rappers is what makes up a majority of rap music.
To get to the point where being white actually helps your popularity, you have to be good enough to break through the boundary that white people aren’t supposed to be rapping. Its certainly not true that being white, in general, is an advantage in rap. If a white guy had made Soulja Boy’s music he would get fucking laughed at, not record deals and tons of fame.[/quote]
Good points. [/quote]
Isnt that Kesha chick enjoying success from the same retard sauce as souja boy?
The new Eminem focuses more on flow and less on awesome storytelling. Admit it, you looooved hearing Eminem describe in vivid detail the horrible things he wanted to do to you and his wife. “I’m Shady” anyone?
Slim Shady LP & Marshall Mathers LP = the last of his greats
[quote]Enray wrote:
I dunno, I miss the old Eminem.
The new Eminem focuses more on flow and less on awesome storytelling. Admit it, you looooved hearing Eminem describe in vivid detail the horrible things he wanted to do to you and his wife. “I’m Shady” anyone?
Slim Shady LP & Marshall Mathers LP = the last of his greats[/quote]
I’m 50/50 on that one.
The reason why I got hooked on hip-hop was the story telling and how amazingly vivid guys like Eminem and Nas can paint pictures, regardless of the subject. “Stan” is probably one of the greatest songs ever penned, along with “Sing for the Moment”.
The story telling was simply amazing. And god knows how fucking difficult it is to actually write a story, let alone shit that actually rhymes and makes sense.
But, “Infinite” was just him showing off his lyrical skills. I can’t find the video of him freestyling as the DJ throws him random words, but just listening to that was crazy!
And his flow and wordplay has always been amazing. I think the only difference is that he’s getting better production. I like Dre, but I think he’s over rated as a producer and guys like Kanye, Boi1da and Premo makes better beats.
[quote]thogue wrote:
A mediocre white rapper will get nowhere… while mediocre black rappers is what makes up a majority of rap music.
To get to the point where being white actually helps your popularity, you have to be good enough to break through the boundary that white people aren’t supposed to be rapping. Its certainly not true that being white, in general, is an advantage in rap. If a white guy had made Soulja Boy’s music he would get fucking laughed at, not record deals and tons of fame.[/quote]
Thats because vanilla ice ruined it for all white rappers.
I stopped really listening to Em after the marshall mathers LP (def my fav). He became soft when he decide to focus on being a father.
And to whoever said Em is the greatest lyricist ever …HA…Try listening to some canibus, lupe fiasco or cassidy freestyles, you might learn something.