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[quote]Squash85 wrote:
Some of us do have knowledge of Robert E. Howard’s stories. We’ve also seen the iconic artwork by Frank Frazetta and Simon Bisley. And we still have problems with what you’re saying.

This is Conan:

http://homepage.mac.com/antallan/images/frazetta/conan.jpg

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Some info on Cimmeria, Conan’s home:

Howard states in The Hyborian Age that “the Gaels, ancestors of the Irish and Highland Scots, descended from pure-blooded Cimmerian clans.” The name is based on that of Cimmeria, which was once hypothesized to be the homeland of the Celtic Cymric tribe, due to the word’s similarity to the names of Celtic areas such as Cymru (the Welsh word for Wales), Cumbria, etc. Conan, a Cimmerian, has an Irish name, as do the Cimmerian gods Crom, Lir and Manannan mac Lir (gods of the sea; the latter two mentioned in Xuthal of the Dusk)

The inhabitants of fictional Cimmeria are loosely based by Robert E. Howard on the historical Cimmerians, who lived on the northern Black Sea coast in the 8th and 7th centuries BC. They also may be based on the Cimbri, a Teutonic-Celtic people. Howard endeavoured to connect the fictional peoples of the Hyborian Age with later historical groups, such as the Cimmerians (depicted as ancestors of the ancient Gaels), their hereditary enemies the Picts (compare to the Picts of eastern and northern Scotland), and Vanir (sea-roving Danes, i.e. Vikings) to the west and north respectively and their allies the Aesir (generally depicted in the Hyborian Age as a fair Nordic-type race, linked by Howard to ancient Britons and Gauls) to the northeast.[1]

So we know the Cimmerians were actually a real people in human history, and Howard used some of this as inspiration. (Very much like how JRR Tolkien used Celtic and German lore to help create the Lord of the Rings universe). Conan’s stories take place in the “Hyborian Age”, which was inspired by the Greek ‘Hyperboreans’. It’s clearly mentioned that Howard based Conan’s appearance on a proto-Celtic type with tanned skin, black hair and blue eyes. And yes, there are quite a few people in Europe with such features. To give you one out of countless examples: my German great-grandfather was tanned as hell with black hair and green eyes.

So while Conan’s world encompasses a huge variety of races and cultures (as did Tolkien’s LOTR universe), Conan himself and the northern part of “Hyboria” were definitely inspired by Europe.

Skin tone is not necessarily a determinant of race. Europe probably has the greatest variation in skin tone than anywhere else. We’re talking about a range from ghostly white to mediterranean bronze (and we have seen Arnold as both, if you’ve seen pics from his early days and then later into bodybuilding and films).

It seems that some people here want to play the politically correct distortion game. To say that Conan’s closest resemblance isn’t a European Caucasian person because he’s just a tanned fantasy character is garbage. It’s absolute hypocrisy. These same people would be upset if Blade or Spawn were not played by black actors. If you had a fantasy story with many elements taken from central African history/myth/anthropology – even though the characters weren’t exactly human – you would still want the main character played by the most accurate person. Arnold wasn’t the perfect role for Conan, but he was infinitely more accurate than this Hawaiian rastafarian metrosexual.[/quote]

I agree with what you have written here. It would be interesting to see what REH would say about all this. Somehow, I already know.
If you took an image of Conan, from the vast majority of the books and showed it to someone who had very little knowledge of the character, they would say he is white. He looks white.
Now to be fair, Momoa has a decent facial structure that does somewhat resemble Conan’s. Of course he is far too small, so the suspension of disbelief can only go so far.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

I’m not sure I agree. There’s definitely a few other more significant aspects that factored in a lot more heavily on Superman sucking ass.[/quote]

Oh, the whole script was weak as hell and they fucked over Luthor to the point that it was like the last 30 years in comics and tv shows never happened. Lex is a genius and he is actually portrayed like one in all other media…yet they still made the same bumbling jackass who wants “land” from the 70’s.

However, the icing on the cake was the Metrosexual fucker they got to play him. That isn’t how Superman acts in any other media yet they made him a fool as Clark here and some kind of flashy brightly colored wannabe Jesus as Superman.[/quote]

He also carried a giant land mass into space, even though it was made of kryptonite. The superman I know wouldn’t never even been able to get near that thing otherwise

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[quote]TheBigV wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Ronsauce wrote:

I’m not sure I agree. There’s definitely a few other more significant aspects that factored in a lot more heavily on Superman sucking ass.[/quote]

Oh, the whole script was weak as hell and they fucked over Luthor to the point that it was like the last 30 years in comics and tv shows never happened. Lex is a genius and he is actually portrayed like one in all other media…yet they still made the same bumbling jackass who wants “land” from the 70’s.

However, the icing on the cake was the Metrosexual fucker they got to play him. That isn’t how Superman acts in any other media yet they made him a fool as Clark here and some kind of flashy brightly colored wannabe Jesus as Superman.[/quote]

He also carried a giant land mass into space, even though it was made of kryptonite. The superman I know wouldn’t never even been able to get near that thing otherwise[/quote]

Yeah but the superman I know needed to get laid more. To stiff

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]Squash85 wrote:
Some of us do have knowledge of Robert E. Howard’s stories. We’ve also seen the iconic artwork by Frank Frazetta and Simon Bisley. And we still have problems with what you’re saying.

This is Conan:

http://homepage.mac.com/antallan/images/frazetta/conan.jpg

592×600 53.7 KB

Some info on Cimmeria, Conan’s home:

Howard states in The Hyborian Age that “the Gaels, ancestors of the Irish and Highland Scots, descended from pure-blooded Cimmerian clans.” The name is based on that of Cimmeria, which was once hypothesized to be the homeland of the Celtic Cymric tribe, due to the word’s similarity to the names of Celtic areas such as Cymru (the Welsh word for Wales), Cumbria, etc. Conan, a Cimmerian, has an Irish name, as do the Cimmerian gods Crom, Lir and Manannan mac Lir (gods of the sea; the latter two mentioned in Xuthal of the Dusk)

The inhabitants of fictional Cimmeria are loosely based by Robert E. Howard on the historical Cimmerians, who lived on the northern Black Sea coast in the 8th and 7th centuries BC. They also may be based on the Cimbri, a Teutonic-Celtic people. Howard endeavoured to connect the fictional peoples of the Hyborian Age with later historical groups, such as the Cimmerians (depicted as ancestors of the ancient Gaels), their hereditary enemies the Picts (compare to the Picts of eastern and northern Scotland), and Vanir (sea-roving Danes, i.e. Vikings) to the west and north respectively and their allies the Aesir (generally depicted in the Hyborian Age as a fair Nordic-type race, linked by Howard to ancient Britons and Gauls) to the northeast.[1]

So we know the Cimmerians were actually a real people in human history, and Howard used some of this as inspiration. (Very much like how JRR Tolkien used Celtic and German lore to help create the Lord of the Rings universe). Conan’s stories take place in the “Hyborian Age”, which was inspired by the Greek ‘Hyperboreans’. It’s clearly mentioned that Howard based Conan’s appearance on a proto-Celtic type with tanned skin, black hair and blue eyes. And yes, there are quite a few people in Europe with such features. To give you one out of countless examples: my German great-grandfather was tanned as hell with black hair and green eyes.

So while Conan’s world encompasses a huge variety of races and cultures (as did Tolkien’s LOTR universe), Conan himself and the northern part of “Hyboria” were definitely inspired by Europe.

Skin tone is not necessarily a determinant of race. Europe probably has the greatest variation in skin tone than anywhere else. We’re talking about a range from ghostly white to mediterranean bronze (and we have seen Arnold as both, if you’ve seen pics from his early days and then later into bodybuilding and films).

It seems that some people here want to play the politically correct distortion game. To say that Conan’s closest resemblance isn’t a European Caucasian person because he’s just a tanned fantasy character is garbage. It’s absolute hypocrisy. These same people would be upset if Blade or Spawn were not played by black actors. If you had a fantasy story with many elements taken from central African history/myth/anthropology – even though the characters weren’t exactly human – you would still want the main character played by the most accurate person. Arnold wasn’t the perfect role for Conan, but he was infinitely more accurate than this Hawaiian rastafarian metrosexual.[/quote]

I agree with what you have written here. It would be interesting to see what REH would say about all this. Somehow, I already know.
If you took an image of Conan, from the vast majority of the books and showed it to someone who had very little knowledge of the character, they would say he is white. He looks white.

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Most people would say I am black because I maintain that Conan is not a white dude.

For lack of a better term:

Most people are retarded, and can not read between lines.

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ENOUGH TALK!

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^ I get why people want there idols to look like them. You want to feel like this could be you or feel a kindship with the character. But come on guys this is silly. You are saying you would rather have the guy fit your idea of what race he should be over the fact he WAS A FUCKIN FREAK OF NATURE A beast of a man amongst his own people.

What the hell is wrong with you. This is why Hollywood is giving you movies of skinny kids that couldn’t beat a fly and making them be super-emo-men.

In the end I hope this guy can prove me wrong and pull it off. Give the fucker some scars. Steal his surf board and kick him in the balls before each take that should give him half a Conan face.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
ENOUGH TALK!

X2

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[quote]Antares wrote:

[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]Squash85 wrote:
Some of us do have knowledge of Robert E. Howard’s stories. We’ve also seen the iconic artwork by Frank Frazetta and Simon Bisley. And we still have problems with what you’re saying.

This is Conan:

http://homepage.mac.com/antallan/images/frazetta/conan.jpg

592×600 53.7 KB

Some info on Cimmeria, Conan’s home:

Howard states in The Hyborian Age that “the Gaels, ancestors of the Irish and Highland Scots, descended from pure-blooded Cimmerian clans.” The name is based on that of Cimmeria, which was once hypothesized to be the homeland of the Celtic Cymric tribe, due to the word’s similarity to the names of Celtic areas such as Cymru (the Welsh word for Wales), Cumbria, etc. Conan, a Cimmerian, has an Irish name, as do the Cimmerian gods Crom, Lir and Manannan mac Lir (gods of the sea; the latter two mentioned in Xuthal of the Dusk)

The inhabitants of fictional Cimmeria are loosely based by Robert E. Howard on the historical Cimmerians, who lived on the northern Black Sea coast in the 8th and 7th centuries BC. They also may be based on the Cimbri, a Teutonic-Celtic people. Howard endeavoured to connect the fictional peoples of the Hyborian Age with later historical groups, such as the Cimmerians (depicted as ancestors of the ancient Gaels), their hereditary enemies the Picts (compare to the Picts of eastern and northern Scotland), and Vanir (sea-roving Danes, i.e. Vikings) to the west and north respectively and their allies the Aesir (generally depicted in the Hyborian Age as a fair Nordic-type race, linked by Howard to ancient Britons and Gauls) to the northeast.[1]

So we know the Cimmerians were actually a real people in human history, and Howard used some of this as inspiration. (Very much like how JRR Tolkien used Celtic and German lore to help create the Lord of the Rings universe). Conan’s stories take place in the “Hyborian Age”, which was inspired by the Greek ‘Hyperboreans’. It’s clearly mentioned that Howard based Conan’s appearance on a proto-Celtic type with tanned skin, black hair and blue eyes. And yes, there are quite a few people in Europe with such features. To give you one out of countless examples: my German great-grandfather was tanned as hell with black hair and green eyes.

So while Conan’s world encompasses a huge variety of races and cultures (as did Tolkien’s LOTR universe), Conan himself and the northern part of “Hyboria” were definitely inspired by Europe.

Skin tone is not necessarily a determinant of race. Europe probably has the greatest variation in skin tone than anywhere else. We’re talking about a range from ghostly white to mediterranean bronze (and we have seen Arnold as both, if you’ve seen pics from his early days and then later into bodybuilding and films).

It seems that some people here want to play the politically correct distortion game. To say that Conan’s closest resemblance isn’t a European Caucasian person because he’s just a tanned fantasy character is garbage. It’s absolute hypocrisy. These same people would be upset if Blade or Spawn were not played by black actors. If you had a fantasy story with many elements taken from central African history/myth/anthropology – even though the characters weren’t exactly human – you would still want the main character played by the most accurate person. Arnold wasn’t the perfect role for Conan, but he was infinitely more accurate than this Hawaiian rastafarian metrosexual.[/quote]

I agree with what you have written here. It would be interesting to see what REH would say about all this. Somehow, I already know.
If you took an image of Conan, from the vast majority of the books and showed it to someone who had very little knowledge of the character, they would say he is white. He looks white.

[/quote]

Most people would say I am black because I maintain that Conan is not a white dude.

For lack of a better term:

Most people are retarded, and can not read between lines.[/quote]

With a few lines of the printed word, REH made it clear that he is not white, but with page after page of illustration, it is made clear that his closest modern day counterpart is a darker skinned Caucasian with blue eyes. Of course most of that is also in the description from REH, minus the word Caucasian.
I’m still trying to understand the argument being made here. Conan is not white. Good, got that. So who would you guys cast as Conan?
Oh, some massive white guy with Dark skin and Blue eyes.
Does that about sum it up?

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So wait a fucking a minute: If Conan is based on Celtic/Irish people, wouldn’t he still be White since Celtic/Irish are white people?

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]Squash85 wrote:
Some of us do have knowledge of Robert E. Howard’s stories. We’ve also seen the iconic artwork by Frank Frazetta and Simon Bisley. And we still have problems with what you’re saying.

This is Conan:

http://homepage.mac.com/antallan/images/frazetta/conan.jpg

592×600 53.7 KB

Some info on Cimmeria, Conan’s home:

Howard states in The Hyborian Age that “the Gaels, ancestors of the Irish and Highland Scots, descended from pure-blooded Cimmerian clans.” The name is based on that of Cimmeria, which was once hypothesized to be the homeland of the Celtic Cymric tribe, due to the word’s similarity to the names of Celtic areas such as Cymru (the Welsh word for Wales), Cumbria, etc. Conan, a Cimmerian, has an Irish name, as do the Cimmerian gods Crom, Lir and Manannan mac Lir (gods of the sea; the latter two mentioned in Xuthal of the Dusk)

The inhabitants of fictional Cimmeria are loosely based by Robert E. Howard on the historical Cimmerians, who lived on the northern Black Sea coast in the 8th and 7th centuries BC. They also may be based on the Cimbri, a Teutonic-Celtic people. Howard endeavoured to connect the fictional peoples of the Hyborian Age with later historical groups, such as the Cimmerians (depicted as ancestors of the ancient Gaels), their hereditary enemies the Picts (compare to the Picts of eastern and northern Scotland), and Vanir (sea-roving Danes, i.e. Vikings) to the west and north respectively and their allies the Aesir (generally depicted in the Hyborian Age as a fair Nordic-type race, linked by Howard to ancient Britons and Gauls) to the northeast.[1]

So we know the Cimmerians were actually a real people in human history, and Howard used some of this as inspiration. (Very much like how JRR Tolkien used Celtic and German lore to help create the Lord of the Rings universe). Conan’s stories take place in the “Hyborian Age”, which was inspired by the Greek ‘Hyperboreans’. It’s clearly mentioned that Howard based Conan’s appearance on a proto-Celtic type with tanned skin, black hair and blue eyes. And yes, there are quite a few people in Europe with such features. To give you one out of countless examples: my German great-grandfather was tanned as hell with black hair and green eyes.

So while Conan’s world encompasses a huge variety of races and cultures (as did Tolkien’s LOTR universe), Conan himself and the northern part of “Hyboria” were definitely inspired by Europe.

Skin tone is not necessarily a determinant of race. Europe probably has the greatest variation in skin tone than anywhere else. We’re talking about a range from ghostly white to mediterranean bronze (and we have seen Arnold as both, if you’ve seen pics from his early days and then later into bodybuilding and films).

It seems that some people here want to play the politically correct distortion game. To say that Conan’s closest resemblance isn’t a European Caucasian person because he’s just a tanned fantasy character is garbage. It’s absolute hypocrisy. These same people would be upset if Blade or Spawn were not played by black actors. If you had a fantasy story with many elements taken from central African history/myth/anthropology – even though the characters weren’t exactly human – you would still want the main character played by the most accurate person. Arnold wasn’t the perfect role for Conan, but he was infinitely more accurate than this Hawaiian rastafarian metrosexual.[/quote]

I agree with what you have written here. It would be interesting to see what REH would say about all this. Somehow, I already know.
If you took an image of Conan, from the vast majority of the books and showed it to someone who had very little knowledge of the character, they would say he is white. He looks white.
Now to be fair, Momoa has a decent facial structure that does somewhat resemble Conan’s. Of course he is far too small, so the suspension of disbelief can only go so far.
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LOL. If you asked most people what Jesus looked like they would point to a picture of Ted Nugent…even though the Bible itself describes him as having dark skin and dark hair like wool. Yes, there has been a long history of white artists making all of history’s characters look like them no matter the source material. That doesn’t make it right.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. If you asked most people what Jesus looked like they would point to a picture of Ted Nugent…even though the Bible itself describes him as having dark skin and dark hair like wool. Yes, there has been a long history of white artists making all of history’s characters look like them no matter the source material. That doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

This.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. If you asked most people what Jesus looked like they would point to a picture of Ted Nugent…even though the Bible itself describes him as having dark skin and dark hair like wool. Yes, there has been a long history of white artists making all of history’s characters look like them no matter the source material. That doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

This.[/quote]

I just find it funny that they didn’t know this already. If you were to just look at pictures, you would think white people were all that mattered throughout history. Somehow, Jesus had BLUE EYES and blondish hair…despite coming from the middle east.

Things like this are why there were specifically black comic book characters created in the 70’s like Blade and even the Black Panther. Before then, there had been ZERO INFLUENCE in those fictional worlds by any other racially described people. Hell, before maybe 15 years ago, you can bet that if they had made the movie Iron Man that Rody would have been a white guy and no one would have said anything about the change in script as far as a negative reaction.

Conan’s background is MYTHICAL. I also have no doubt that in the interest of appealing to the market that was believed to be buying most of the comics, that they would make him LOOK like the target audience and the artists themselves when artists were commissioned to draw him.

The ancestors of Atlantis are not “white people” or “black people”. Sorry if that hurts feelings.

I do find it hilarious that some would scream for the Rock to play the part…until they find out he is half black.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. If you asked most people what Jesus looked like they would point to a picture of Ted Nugent…even though the Bible itself describes him as having dark skin and dark hair like wool. Yes, there has been a long history of white artists making all of history’s characters look like them no matter the source material. That doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

This.[/quote]

I just find it funny that they didn’t know this already. If you were to just look at pictures, you would think white people were all that mattered throughout history. Somehow, Jesus had BLUE EYES and blondish hair…despite coming from the middle east.

Things like this are why there were specifically black comic book characters created in the 70’s like Blade and even the Black Panther. Before then, there had been ZERO INFLUENCE in those fictional worlds by any other racially described people. Hell, before maybe 15 years ago, you can bet that if they had made the movie Iron Man that Rody would have been a white guy and no one would have said anything about the change in script as far as a negative reaction.

Conan’s background is MYTHICAL. I also have no doubt that interest of appealing to the market that was believed to be buying most of the comics, that they would make him LOOK like the target audience and the artists themselves when artists were commissioned to draw him.

The ancestors of Atlantis are not “white people” or “black people”. Sorry if that hurts feelings.

I do find it hilarious that some would scream for the Rock to play the part…until they find out he is half black.[/quote]

Agreed. I’d post more, but long paragraphs and deep thinking isn’t my thing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. If you asked most people what Jesus looked like they would point to a picture of Ted Nugent…even though the Bible itself describes him as having dark skin and dark hair like wool. Yes, there has been a long history of white artists making all of history’s characters look like them no matter the source material. That doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

This.[/quote]

I just find it funny that they didn’t know this already. If you were to just look at pictures, you would think white people were all that mattered throughout history. Somehow, Jesus had BLUE EYES and blondish hair…despite coming from the middle east.

Things like this are why there were specifically black comic book characters created in the 70’s like Blade and even the Black Panther. Before then, there had been ZERO INFLUENCE in those fictional worlds by any other racially described people. Hell, before maybe 15 years ago, you can bet that if they had made the movie Iron Man that Rody would have been a white guy and no one would have said anything about the change in script as far as a negative reaction.

Conan’s background is MYTHICAL. I also have no doubt that interest of appealing to the market that was believed to be buying most of the comics, that they would make him LOOK like the target audience and the artists themselves when artists were commissioned to draw him.

The ancestors of Atlantis are not “white people” or “black people”. Sorry if that hurts feelings.

I do find it hilarious that some would scream for the Rock to play the part…until they find out he is half black.[/quote]

Good points.
Conan was never altered for his target audience. He was written that way for them. The artists then depicted him that way. He has been drawn as a dark skinned caucasian with blue eyes in almost every version, with the possible exception of a lone version done in Mexico.
Based on the description from REH , a dark skinned white actor would probably be the closest thing to the source material as written.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
So wait a fucking a minute: If Conan is based on Celtic/Irish people, wouldn’t he still be White since Celtic/Irish are white people?[/quote]

What??

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I just find it funny that they didn’t know this already. If you were to just look at pictures, you would think white people were all that mattered throughout history. Somehow, Jesus had BLUE EYES and blondish hair…despite coming from the middle east.

Things like this are why there were specifically black comic book characters created in the 70’s like Blade and even the Black Panther. Before then, there had been ZERO INFLUENCE in those fictional worlds by any other racially described people. Hell, before maybe 15 years ago, you can bet that if they had made the movie Iron Man that Rody would have been a white guy and no one would have said anything about the change in script as far as a negative reaction.

Conan’s background is MYTHICAL. I also have no doubt that interest of appealing to the market that was believed to be buying most of the comics, that they would make him LOOK like the target audience and the artists themselves when artists were commissioned to draw him.

The ancestors of Atlantis are not “white people” or “black people”. Sorry if that hurts feelings.

I do find it hilarious that some would scream for the Rock to play the part…until they find out he is half black.[/quote]

At the risk of being redundant…

Correct as it gets, PX…Conan was made to look more ‘white’ than he was in the original literature, because, the target audience, in 30’s on were white people.

I don’t think they needed to do this to REH’s original descriptions ( which never quite match even the earliest artwork ).

Conan sells himself to every guy with at least one testicle.

No need to make him ‘Flash Gordon.’

I don’t think it’s funny that people think Johnson is a worse choice for Conan, now that they know he is half-black.

I find it antiquated in a bad way.

Again, Momoa, has ENOUGH Conanesque features, and he even does better in some areas than Arnold.

Just NEEDS more muscle, really.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. If you asked most people what Jesus looked like they would point to a picture of Ted Nugent…even though the Bible itself describes him as having dark skin and dark hair like wool. Yes, there has been a long history of white artists making all of history’s characters look like them no matter the source material. That doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

Sort of. There’s no description of Jesus at all in the canonical gospels. Revelation says (note “white hair”, not dark):

Like most of Revelation, it’s both poetical and allegorical. (And likely an allusion to the Book of Daniel). It’s hard to draw any kinds of conclusions from that. Best guess is that Jesus looked Mediterranean and like, well, Jews of the time.

Artists in most cultures give Jesus the features of people of that culture. Nothing to do with “white people”. In Asia, (China, Japan) Jesus has Asian features in art. In Ethiopia, Jesus has subsaharan african features. In Mexico/Latin America Mary is depicted as American Indian. Traditional Indian depictions of Jesus were Indian, etc.

They could depict Conan as a blue Na’vi and I could care less. White Nick Fury or Black Nick Fury? I don’t care as long as the personality is right.

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. If you asked most people what Jesus looked like they would point to a picture of Ted Nugent…even though the Bible itself describes him as having dark skin and dark hair like wool. Yes, there has been a long history of white artists making all of history’s characters look like them no matter the source material. That doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

This.[/quote]

I just find it funny that they didn’t know this already. If you were to just look at pictures, you would think white people were all that mattered throughout history. Somehow, Jesus had BLUE EYES and blondish hair…despite coming from the middle east.

Things like this are why there were specifically black comic book characters created in the 70’s like Blade and even the Black Panther. Before then, there had been ZERO INFLUENCE in those fictional worlds by any other racially described people. Hell, before maybe 15 years ago, you can bet that if they had made the movie Iron Man that Rody would have been a white guy and no one would have said anything about the change in script as far as a negative reaction.

Conan’s background is MYTHICAL. I also have no doubt that interest of appealing to the market that was believed to be buying most of the comics, that they would make him LOOK like the target audience and the artists themselves when artists were commissioned to draw him.

The ancestors of Atlantis are not “white people” or “black people”. Sorry if that hurts feelings.

I do find it hilarious that some would scream for the Rock to play the part…until they find out he is half black.[/quote]
Good points.
Conan was never altered for his target audience. He was written that way for them. The artists then depicted him that way. He has been drawn as a dark skinned caucasian with blue eyes in almost every version, with the possible exception of a lone version done in Mexico.
Based on the description from REH , a dark skinned white actor would probably be the closest thing to the source material as written.

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Right. Care to quote directly from the book what he looked like WITHOUT a commentary from other authors trying to peg him as a white guy?

Let’s stick with the facts as far as this description.

I don’t remember ever reading “he looked like a white guy”. I do remember him having dark skin and blue eyes…which as written earlier, would make him look more other-worldly or more like the Aborigines than a tanned white guy (which would match his Atlantis ancestry). The book didn’t say “tanned”. It also didn’t say “beige”.

It doesn’t surprise me that white artists would make the character look like them. That would be WHY that one drawing you mentioned from Mexico is the one that does NOT look like the others. My guess is, other artists of other races, if they had the chance, would have had more pop culture influence as far as his appearance.

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I haven’t read any of REH books but what do the Atlanteans look like? Are they even mentioned? Cimmerians are their descendants…if so did they mix with any other races etc etc.

Anyways, I always imagined Conan as a white guy. Right or wrong, I was going by the movies and the big black and white comics marvel put out for Conan back in the day. Since they didn’t shade him in I assumed he wasn’t black. Heheh. :wink:

I don’t have a problem with the Rock playing Conan if he nails the character. From the sounds of REH’s descriptions the Rock would be suitable. I’m not sure who else I would pick? I liked Arnold.

I like that Jason guy in Stargate Atlantis. Playing Conan is another story. I just don’t see how he could be chosen over the Rock. Wouldn’t the Rock have more mass appeal and be physically closer to the role? Not to mention I think he could act the part reasonably enough.

With any luck we can all drop the race issue and have a pick on who would make the best Conan.

And we all know Jesus was from Atlantis. :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. If you asked most people what Jesus looked like they would point to a picture of Ted Nugent…even though the Bible itself describes him as having dark skin and dark hair like wool. Yes, there has been a long history of white artists making all of history’s characters look like them no matter the source material. That doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

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I just find it funny that they didn’t know this already. If you were to just look at pictures, you would think white people were all that mattered throughout history. Somehow, Jesus had BLUE EYES and blondish hair…despite coming from the middle east.

Things like this are why there were specifically black comic book characters created in the 70’s like Blade and even the Black Panther. Before then, there had been ZERO INFLUENCE in those fictional worlds by any other racially described people. Hell, before maybe 15 years ago, you can bet that if they had made the movie Iron Man that Rody would have been a white guy and no one would have said anything about the change in script as far as a negative reaction.

Conan’s background is MYTHICAL. I also have no doubt that interest of appealing to the market that was believed to be buying most of the comics, that they would make him LOOK like the target audience and the artists themselves when artists were commissioned to draw him.

The ancestors of Atlantis are not “white people” or “black people”. Sorry if that hurts feelings.

I do find it hilarious that some would scream for the Rock to play the part…until they find out he is half black.[/quote]
Good points.
Conan was never altered for his target audience. He was written that way for them. The artists then depicted him that way. He has been drawn as a dark skinned caucasian with blue eyes in almost every version, with the possible exception of a lone version done in Mexico.
Based on the description from REH , a dark skinned white actor would probably be the closest thing to the source material as written.

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Right. Care to quote directly from the book what he looked like WITHOUT a commentary from other authors trying to peg him as a white guy?

Let’s stick with the facts as far as this description.

I don’t remember ever reading “he looked like a white guy”. I do remember him having dark skin and blue eyes…which as written earlier, would make him look more other-worldly or more like the Aborigines than a tanned white guy (which would match his Atlantis ancestry). The book didn’t say “tanned”. It also didn’t say “beige”.

It doesn’t surprise me that white artists would make the character look like them. That would be WHY that one drawing you mentioned from Mexico is the one that does NOT look like the others. My guess is, other artists of other races, if they had the chance, would have had more pop culture influence as far as his appearance.
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X,
The illustration from the Mexican Conan, has him with blond hair and blue eyes.
I have replied several times, but squash85 summed it up best in his post. I noticed that others have chosen to ignore what he wrote. I did not and replied right to him.
It flies in the face of what they would like to believe, and since it comes right from REH, it must sting a little.