This is typical HW BS. Not in the sense of how much it deviates from the original but the fact that they would even decide to remake one. The original Conan movies with Arnold were bad enough (cinematic depth not entertainment-wise) and now they had to make a 2010 version. We are stupid if we spend our money to go see this crap in the cinema.
If you want to have your 2 hour guilty pleasure on a Sunday night then wait for it to go on last week release at the dvd rental or get it ‘the other way.’
I’ve not read any of the Conan book so my whole image of Conan has been influenced by the Marvel comics, Frazetta’s stuff, and the Arnold movies.
I did just do a search on Wiki about how REH described him and was quite surprised;
Conan has “sullen” or “smoldering” blue eyes and a black “square-cut mane”. Howard once describes him as having a hairy chest and, while comic book interpretations often portray Conan as wearing a loincloth or other minimalist clothing, Howard describes the character as wearing whatever garb is typical for the land and culture in which Conan finds himself.
Though Howard never gave a strict height or weight for Conan in a story, only describing him in loose terms like “giant” and “massive”, he did once state that Conan and another of Howard’s characters, the crusader Cormac Fitzgeoffrey, were “physical doubles” at 6’2" and 210 lb (188 cm and 95 kg, a description of Howard’s own height and weight).
In the tales no human is ever described as stronger than Conan, although several are mentioned as taller (such as the strangler Baal-pteor) or of larger bulk. In a letter to P. Schuyler Miller and John D. Clark in 1936 only three months before Howard’s death, Conan is described as standing 6 feet and weighing 180 pounds when he takes part in an attack on Venarium at only 15 years old, though being far from fully grown.
Although Conan is muscular, Howard frequently compares his agility and way of moving to that of a panther (see for instance “Jewels of Gwahlur,” “Beyond the Black River” or “Rogues in the House”). His skin is frequently characterized as bronzed from constant exposure to the sun. In his younger years, he is often depicted wearing a light chain shirt and a horned helmet, though appearances vary with different artists.
[quote]barbarianlifter wrote:
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]barbarianlifter wrote:
How do you look at Arnold’s Conan and think that this guy is a suitable replacement? That is akin to thinking the Chevy Nova is acceptable to replacing an SS Camero.[/quote]
This isn’t MEANT to be Arnold’s Conan, nor a replacement…[/quote]
Agree! But Conan still has to look like a beast! This guy’s physique just doesn’t fit that role.
Obviously choosing this guy is a marketing ploy. Soy boys are trendy nowadays.[/quote]
Reboots are done to start a series over, agreed. Most people now do not even know about Howard, or Robert Jordan’s Conan novels though. Having this guy play Conan, who is supposed to have the strength of 10 men is buying into the “Twilight” crowd of 180lbs is huge. I don’t care if Conan is white, black, olive, purple whatever, but who ever plays him had better look like he is going to tear off some fucking heads, shit down some throats and then go home and fuck their sisters. This guy looks like he is going to get a manicure and go suck off his BF.
I hope I am wrong about this, for the sake of one of my literary heroes.[/quote]
^ Agreed. But I want to hold my total judgment until the final cut. I laughed out loud when the trailer for 300 came out. The movie blew me away.
1-RATED “R” if not your just making “Twilight Conan”
2-He must have several women and kill several people with no regards
3-None of that basement dark crap like Pathfinder.
4-Chicks man.
5-He should be the bastard child of John Wayne & Clint Eastwood
I guess they’ll be saving the muscle for the sequels.
This thread makes me want to read the books. I really need to read more…
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Eveson wrote:
In case you didn’t know who Rachel Nichols was…[/quote]
My nerd sense is tingling. Rachel Nichols is already miscast - she should be Red Sonja.[/quote]
NOOOOOOOO
the chickie that is on the Celebrity Apprentice right now, Maria something who was a professional wrestler would be good.
I can’t really think of a real good fit for her right now, but not that waif chick[/quote]
She had the best fight scene in the GI Joe movie with Marissa Miller and she was the green babe in Star Trek. She could pull of Red Sonja. Though I agree, TnA wrestler chicas would make good Red Sonjas too.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Howard’s Conan was only about 210 .lbs. He’d be large enough in a world where folks weren’t eating 5-6 times a day, using anabolics, terrified of covering long distances (too much catabolic aerobic work), etc. And he certainly didn’t shave his body hair off.
I actually didn’t think Arnold looked the part at all. There’s big. Then there’s chemically big. Not really many pharmacies in the Hyborian age.[/quote]
Dude… it’s a fictional story where he also fought demons… I kinda think maybe they suspended reality for a good storyline. Conan was a monster, bigger and stronger than anyone.
It’s like folks complaining about the commercials for happy cows in California… hey, cows don’t talk either.
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Well, he wasn’t bigger than everyone in his world. He was simply a big man relative to others. Howard’s Conan is panther-like, big. Not bullish. 6’2, 210 isn’t bullish. Hairy fella, too. I want Howard’s Conan. Not the crap we’ve already been subjected to.[/quote]
In the stories Conan was always a thick, massive, intimidating dude. He often stood a head taller and broader in the shoulders than most other men. A few men may have been taller, and few fat guys may have been wider, but no one was stronger than Conan. Schwarzenegger brought that to the film. In today’s world Roland Kickinger could pull off that same look.
Conan was “… a tall man, mightily shouldered and deep of chest, with a massive corded neck and heavily muscled limbs. He was clad in silk and velvet, with the royal lions of Aquilonia worked in gold upon his rich jupon, and the crown of Aquilonia shone on his square-cut black mane; but the great sword at his side seemed more natural to him than the regal accoutrements. His brow was low and broad, his eyes a volcanic blue that smoldered as if with some inner fire. His dark, scarred, almost sinister face was that of a fighting-man, and his velvet garments could not conceal the hard, dangerous lines of his limbs.”
Just because a guy is big doesn’t make him oafish. Superior camera work and fight choreography would have squared away any ‘bullish’ movements in Schwarzenegger’s scenes in the movies.
No Muscles Aside, I never really like him as an actor. He always seemed like a C level extra.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Eveson wrote:
In case you didn’t know who Rachel Nichols was…[/quote]
My nerd sense is tingling. Rachel Nichols is already miscast - she should be Red Sonja.[/quote]
NOOOOOOOO
the chickie that is on the Celebrity Apprentice right now, Maria something who was a professional wrestler would be good.
I can’t really think of a real good fit for her right now, but not that waif chick[/quote]
She had the best fight scene in the GI Joe movie with Marissa Miller and she was the green babe in Star Trek. She could pull of Red Sonja. Though I agree, TnA wrestler chicas would make good Red Sonjas too.[/quote]
Just found this RS cover from 2007 - facially, it practically is Rachel Nichols…probably based on her, but still…
http://images.darkhorse.com/darkhorse08/zones/bkgd_conan_bottom.png
I’ve always preferred Dark Horses’ version of Conan. He’s much, much more savage, lusty, lecherous and crafty (and better drawn) in those comics.
Anyway, am I the only one who doesn’t think the new Conan looks that bad? He seems big enough; Conan wouldn’t have been one of the 340 pound freaks you see all oiled up on stage, and he wasn’t that way in the comics. The guy is big enough, and as long as he and the movie are beyond savage (I’m talking the dirtiest R rating they can give it), then it’ll be good.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Conan was "… a tall man, mightily shouldered and deep of chest, with a massive corded neck and heavily muscled limbs. [/quote]
See, this is relative. If you want to compare him to a bodybuilder or powerlifter (which you shouldn’t) fine. But, I don’t. I compare him to men who aren’t carrying around meals in tupperware, juicing, and avoiding LD cardio as if it were cancer. I compare him to individuals who don’t even have modern medical care, or easy access to high caloric meals. They’d be shorter, lean, with some muscularity from the physical labor of that day. Which is exactly why 6’2 210 Conan would be considered massive.
There was nothing panther-like about Arnold’s look. Bullish, sure. Panther-like, no. Conan was also a thief during his travels. Scaling walls quickly. Scurrying cat like across rooftops. Arnold trying to do agile, silent, cat-like, thief scenes would just make me laugh. The movie Conan was not REH’s Conan. Never has been. And that is the Conan I’ve been waiting for.
A world that is definitely fantastical, but oddly familiar. As if it were a forgotten piece of our history. A forgotten age. And Arnold’s appearance alone killed that for me, in his movie. I kept waiting from to mix up a protien shake. Or dismount from his steed, tie it up, then go into a modern day Gold’s Gym located next to some temple.
[quote]roybot wrote:
Just found this RS cover from 2007 - facially, it practically is Rachel Nichols…probably based on her, but still…[/quote]
I’m not familiar with the cover artist Luke Ross, but I like his style.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
See, this is relative. If you want to compare him to a bodybuilder or powerlifter (which you shouldn’t) fine. But, I don’t. I compare him to men who aren’t carrying around meals in tupperware, juicing, and avoiding LD cardio as if it were cancer. I compare him to individuals who don’t even have modern medical care, or easy access to high caloric meals. They’d be shorter, lean, with some muscularity from the physical labor of that day. Which is exactly why 6’2 210 Conan would be considered massive.
There was nothing panther-like about Arnold’s look. Bullish, sure. Panther-like, no. Conan was also a thief during his travels. Scaling walls quickly. Scurrying cat like across rooftops. Arnold trying to do agile, silent, cat-like, thief scenes would just make me laugh. The movie Conan was not REH’s Conan. Never has been. And that is the Conan I’ve been waiting for.
A world that is definitely fantastical, but oddly familiar. As if it were a forgotten piece of our history. A forgotten age. And Arnold’s appearance alone killed that for me, in his movie. I kept waiting from to mix up a protien shake. Or dismount from his steed, tie it up, then go into a modern day Gold’s Gym located next to some temple.[/quote]
Conan doesn’t look like a panther. He moves like one. He moves with a preternatural gait like that of a large cat hunting its prey. Easy and Natural.
What we want is a physically imposing character. Not another pretty boy with abz.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Conan was "… a tall man, mightily shouldered and deep of chest, with a massive corded neck and heavily muscled limbs. [/quote]
See, this is relative. If you want to compare him to a bodybuilder or powerlifter (which you shouldn’t) fine. But, I don’t. I compare him to men who aren’t carrying around meals in tupperware, juicing, and avoiding LD cardio as if it were cancer. I compare him to individuals who don’t even have modern medical care, or easy access to high caloric meals. They’d be shorter, lean, with some muscularity from the physical labor of that day. Which is exactly why 6’2 210 Conan would be considered massive.
There was nothing panther-like about Arnold’s look. Bullish, sure. Panther-like, no. Conan was also a thief during his travels. Scaling walls quickly. Scurrying cat like across rooftops. Arnold trying to do agile, silent, cat-like, thief scenes would just make me laugh. The movie Conan was not REH’s Conan. Never has been. And that is the Conan I’ve been waiting for.
A world that is definitely fantastical, but oddly familiar. As if it were a forgotten piece of our history. A forgotten age. And Arnold’s appearance alone killed that for me, in his movie. I kept waiting from to mix up a protien shake. Or dismount from his steed, tie it up, then go into a modern day Gold’s Gym located next to some temple.[/quote]
OK COMICBOOK GUY
Everyone who thinks of Conan in the majority population thinks Conan looks like Arnold. If the actor that plays him in a reboot looks 210 and lean which is common. They are not going to buy it. A big brute body builder/power lifter is what is needed for this part.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Conan was "… a tall man, mightily shouldered and deep of chest, with a massive corded neck and heavily muscled limbs. [/quote]
See, this is relative. If you want to compare him to a bodybuilder or powerlifter (which you shouldn’t) fine. But, I don’t. I compare him to men who aren’t carrying around meals in tupperware, juicing, and avoiding LD cardio as if it were cancer. I compare him to individuals who don’t even have modern medical care, or easy access to high caloric meals. They’d be shorter, lean, with some muscularity from the physical labor of that day. Which is exactly why 6’2 210 Conan would be considered massive.
There was nothing panther-like about Arnold’s look. Bullish, sure. Panther-like, no. Conan was also a thief during his travels. Scaling walls quickly. Scurrying cat like across rooftops. Arnold trying to do agile, silent, cat-like, thief scenes would just make me laugh. The movie Conan was not REH’s Conan. Never has been. And that is the Conan I’ve been waiting for.
A world that is definitely fantastical, but oddly familiar. As if it were a forgotten piece of our history. A forgotten age. And Arnold’s appearance alone killed that for me, in his movie. I kept waiting from to mix up a protien shake. Or dismount from his steed, tie it up, then go into a modern day Gold’s Gym located next to some temple.[/quote]
It sounds like you have a problem with protein shakes and gyms. I’m sure you don’t but in reading your posts you sound anti muscle.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Conan was "… a tall man, mightily shouldered and deep of chest, with a massive corded neck and heavily muscled limbs. [/quote]
See, this is relative. If you want to compare him to a bodybuilder or powerlifter (which you shouldn’t) fine. But, I don’t. I compare him to men who aren’t carrying around meals in tupperware, juicing, and avoiding LD cardio as if it were cancer. I compare him to individuals who don’t even have modern medical care, or easy access to high caloric meals. They’d be shorter, lean, with some muscularity from the physical labor of that day. Which is exactly why 6’2 210 Conan would be considered massive.
There was nothing panther-like about Arnold’s look. Bullish, sure. Panther-like, no. Conan was also a thief during his travels. Scaling walls quickly. Scurrying cat like across rooftops. Arnold trying to do agile, silent, cat-like, thief scenes would just make me laugh. The movie Conan was not REH’s Conan. Never has been. And that is the Conan I’ve been waiting for.
A world that is definitely fantastical, but oddly familiar. As if it were a forgotten piece of our history. A forgotten age. And Arnold’s appearance alone killed that for me, in his movie. I kept waiting from to mix up a protien shake. Or dismount from his steed, tie it up, then go into a modern day Gold’s Gym located next to some temple.[/quote]
OK COMICBOOK GUY
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LOL.
My thing is if you’re not going to be big and muscular at least be cut, he looks like he’s been eating doritos all his life and did some push ups. Shit if he looked like a 10 year boot camp veteran I’d be more impressed.
I’m hearing a whole lot of gripes without any input as to who would you pic to be Conan. I’m still holding off till the final cut.
Hell if its not Michael Clark Duncan I’m not sure who they should have. hahahahahahah
[quote]Sloth wrote:
A world that is definitely fantastical, but oddly familiar. As if it were a forgotten piece of our history. A forgotten age. And Arnold’s appearance alone killed that for me, in his movie. I kept waiting from to mix up a protien shake. Or dismount from his steed, tie it up, then go into a modern day Gold’s Gym located next to some temple.[/quote]
Both characters largely inspired by the Conan character and the Hyperboria setting. Both are characters from the 80s that a lot of folks grew up with. Probably inspiration for weightlifting and athletics. You are right that size is relevant. The wage earners of today’s society grew up seeing these guys as kids, they are what we expect to see filling the roll of childhood heroes. When you replace them with a skinny dude who spent six months in a gym, it doesn’t work.
I like the guy who played Sphinx in gone in 60 seconds.
or in this ice battle scene from King Arthur
and he played Juggernaut
here is conan.com
http://www.conan.com/invboard/index.php?showtopic=3609
