New Business Failures

[polo77j]

@SkyzykS

You might think that you are controlling or directing the conversation by asking questions, but guided discovery only works when the asker/guide isn’t an absolute moron.

Whenever he does this I just kind of shake my head and blaspheme

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

@anon50325502

I did not study in the US nor any part of the West.

And you think indoctrination only occurs in the U.S.?

Good grief, dude. I didn’t write this.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

@anon50325502

Even the libertarian think tank(Mercatus) had to admit it would save money.

From the author: Medicare for All opponents what he actually concluded. Blahous, a conservative/libertarian economist, tells us that Medicare for All will not increase our spending and yet will include everyone and provide them with a much more generous program.

Huh?

What is so hard to understand?

Where has Blahous written Medicare for All will not increase spending? Literally nothing at Mercatus with his name on it says what you claim.

[anon50325502]

@dt79

Do you know how to read?

I think we’ve established the answer is a big ol no.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

What you posted talks about an increase in Fed. spending. But what would be the cost if nothing changes in healthcare? More or less?

It’s an additional 3.2 TRILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR.

Per
Fucking
Year

It’s over 10% of GDP in ADDITIONAL COSTS. Per YEAR.

“A doubling of all currently projected federal individual and corporate income tax collections would be insufficient to finance the added federal costs of the plan.” - Blahous

Get a clue.

[pfury]

@anon50325502

Get a clue

How dare you expect poor Zep to understand or even read his own sources.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

They have similar traits.

Only on the surface to people who don’t know what socialism really means. This is what makes not making a clear distinction dangerous. Social Democracy rejects the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat”, recognises individualism and embraces a Capitalist economy.

The differences between their “similar traits” lead to one country ending up like Sweden and another ending up like Venezuela.

To further illustrate this point:

@Zeppelin795

So Sanders sympathized with the Sandinistas. I noticed a glaring omission about how Reagan went behind Congress and broke the law to fund the Contras.

The Sandinistas were Marxist-Leninists, which formed the base, and was the main influence for Mao Zedong’s policies. Someone like you will simply gloss over this part since they all have “similar traits”.

[Aragorn]

@Zeppelin795

Yes it does.

Lol. whatever.

@Zeppelin795

They have similar traits

Not other than the word “social”.

[Aragorn]

@Zeppelin795

I notice that the cost question is rarely if ever asked about the wars.

Related to healthcare, this was debunked earlier in one of your threads, but you were too stupid to read it.

@Zeppelin795

Getting the drug companies out of the “healthcare” system is a good thing

Also no. There’s too much wrong with your post to bother correcting, but no. If drug companies are “out of healthcare” then all the modern medicines we use to recover from surgeries, fight infections post operation, and all the rest are gone too.

Not only is that obviously terrible, it’s much worse than the problem it would replace.

[anon50325502]

Big Pharm is evil!!! It must be removed like the tumor it is!!!

[polo77j]

@anon50325502

Big Pharm is evil!!! It must be removed like the tumor it is!!!

Now you’re getting it!!

[anon50325502]

Here @Zeppelin795 I did your homework for you:

'Medicare for all' could save businesses trillions of dollars

I can’t wait to hear your take on businesses getting to save money on healthcare costs as the burden shifts to the federal government and thus individual tax payers (the main source of tax revenue).

[anon50325502]

And, so we’re clear on the analysis:

blahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf

So Blahous’ analysis shows a reduction in total spending of $10 billion if and only if “hospitals, physicians, and others will be reimbursed for all patients at Medicare payment rates,
which are projected to be roughly 40 percent lower than those paid by private insurers during
the first 10 years of M4A’s proposed implementation.” and “significant administrative and drug cost savings” occur under the plan.

In other words, ignoring the economic impact of eliminating a trillion dollar industry, the net effect is a total savings of $10 billion (according to a libertarian…) IF AND ONLY IF the government’s cost savings estimates are accurate AND healthcare professionals take at least a 40% pay cut.

Wouldn’t hold my breath on either of those two things happening.

*Fixed numbers

Such savings much wow:

[anon50325502]

The same government that’s 163 Billion over budget on one weapons system (The F-35) is going to achieve all of these savings.

Anyone that thinks the government will meet it’s cost savings target is a complete moron.

[anon50325502]

I would laugh if it weren’t so sad.

Wasteful Spending List | Congressman Bill Posey :: Representing the 8th...

Fear not, ye plebeian, the government will save you money if healthcare is taken from evil capitalists and turned over to the savior of the commoner, the Federal government.

Prime example

[Aragorn]

@anon50325502

Wouldn’t hold my breath on either of those two things happening

Yeah…not happening.

Also $10 billion is not enough to run the Federal government for 1 day.

Given last year’s budget of $4.15 Trillion, it breaks down to ~$11.3 Billion spent every single day.

Sounds worth it… /Sarcasm

[Zeppelin795]

It is NOT debunking, just taking into account of all the factors whether they bolster my argument or not.

[Zeppelin795]

I ask questions to be clear of the opponents position.

[anon50325502]

I didn’t see it include implementation costs either. Iirc, California was going to spend like $200B to implement their single-payer. One state = $200,000,000,000. We’re probably looking a trillion dollars just to implement the program.

[Zeppelin795]

So maybe it was posted in the wrong reply box. So what? Are you hurt?