New Business Failures

[dt79]

Ok folks, here’s what people don’t understand.

Marx:

COMMUNISM

1. Stateless - No GOVERNMENT. Therefore, there is no way Chavez can be a “dead communist dictator” as Bernie called him. There cannot possibly authoritarianism because THERE’S NO GOVERNMENT.

2. Moneyless - No mediums of exchange; money = store of value = capital accumulation = inter-generational wealth etc.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

3. Classless

Only the HIPPIES got this right.

SOCIALISM
The “lower/working class” collectively represented by GOVERNMENT is the Dictatorship of the Proleteriate.

Dictatorship of the Proleteriate
In Marxist sociopolitical thought, the dictatorship of the proletariat refers to a state in which the proletariat, or the working class, has control of political power.[1][2]

According to this theory, it is the intermediate system between capitalism and communism, when the government is in the process of changing the ownership of the means of production from private to collective ownership,[3] and the existence of any government implies the dictatorship of one social class over another. The term, coined by Joseph Weydemeyer, was adopted in the 19th century by the founders of Marxism, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, both of them argued that the short-lived Paris Commune, which ran the French capital for over two months in 1871 before being suppressed, was an example of the dictatorship of the proletariat. "

Paris Commune

“A group of democratic socialists has believed it necessary to take the initiative and appeal to all the revolutionary socialists belonging to the different schools, communist, mutualist, etc., to call public meetings in which they will make an effort to carry out a total socialist instruction, and to constitute a socialist union through the affirmation of the principles common to all schools.”

https://www.marxists.org/history/france/paris-commune/documents/democratic-socialists.htm

So it goes like this:

Revolution ------> Socialism --------> Communism

Socialism transfers everything to the ownership of the State. This may be a GRADUAL process over YEARS. Then government is dissolved and Communism is implemented. Communism is the END GOAL. The process through which it is attained is Socialism.

• Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat(Socialism). - MARX

Critique of the Gotha Programme-- IV

MARXISM-LENINSM
Marxism–Leninism follows the ideas of Marxism and Leninism as interpreted by Vladimir Lenin’s successor Joseph Stalin.

“Dictatorship does not necessarily mean the abolition of democracy for the class that exercises the dictatorship over other classes; but it does mean the abolition of democracy (or very material restriction, which is also a form of abolition) for the class over which, or against which, the dictatorship is exercised.”

— Vladimir Lenin

“Imma fuck shit up because I can.”

---- Stalin

CHINA

See the date on the right of the picture? 1871-1971?

"Paris Commune
French Republic The Paris Commune (French: La Commune de Paris, IPA: [la kɔmyn də paʁi]) was a radical socialist and revolutionary government that ruled Paris from 18 March to 28 May 1871." (Link above)

So, everything single bad thing that people associate with Communism was actually done during the period of SOCIALISM.

Because they never got to the stage where they could implement Communism because either the government was worthless and tanked the economy because it’s the government(duh) or someone like Stalin decided he wanted to fuck shit up with all the POWER he had been given during the period of SOCIALISM.

Yup. You stupid socialist wannabes have fallen for the greatest STRAWMAN in history. This is why every time people bring up the bad shit, Socialists say “It was really Communism! Communism bad! Socialism good!”.

EVERYTHING that failed in the name of Communism was actually SOCIALISM.

[polo77j]

Bruh … you expect him to a.) read a study and b.) actually understand said study? He reads misleading headlines and posts them as if they say what he thinks they do…

Wait … you know this … carry on…

@Aragorn

Don’t be a dumbass.

That’s like asking Shaquille O’Neil not to be tall

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

Already did. Does this mean you believe that end results don’t count all that much?

How could you have read it all and still ask me this stupid question?

What END RESULTS? It’s not a thesis on the efficacy of the Nordic Model.

The whole objective of the report was to PINPOINT THE FLAWS in the existing system with increasing globalization and propose METHODS TO RECTIFY THEM. Most of which I pasted above.

@Zeppelin795

Oh no… financial liberalization may not be completely understood along with having some very negative effects.

YOU DISHONEST FUCK.

This is why you refused to post the link to the original document despite me asking you twice.

https://www.aeaweb.org/conference/2011/retrieve.php?pdfid=413

“After the recovery. Financial integration profoundly changed the economic landscape in the Nordic countries, in particular in Finland and Sweden, the two countries worst hit by the financial crisis. These long-run effects have been overshadowed by the short-run impact of the financial opening, in other words by the dramatic events during the boombust cycle, and the post-crisis recovery. But once financial markets were opened up, this impacted on a large number of sectors both inside and outside the financial system.”

This is exactly like what I wrote.

@dt79

It can easily be interpreted as a major market correction after going from artificial suppression of the market to a free one.

What does the long term trend say?

"When financial deregulation started in Finland, Norway and Sweden in the 1980s, financially driven booms, busts and crises were unknown phenomena to policy-makers in the central banks and the ministries of finance, as well as to forecasters, to financial regulators, to the economics profession, to bankers and other actors in the financial system, and to the public at large.6 The thinking and thus the behaviour established by many decades of financial controls and regulations continued unchanged, without an understanding that financial liberalization was rapidly creating a new and financially more risky world that replaced the old risk-free environment.

“Economists at universities in Scandinavia were caught in a Keynesian world of flow variables, unfamiliar with the wealth, portfolio and balance sheet effects created by financial liberalization and by huge swings in the real rate of interest.”

Motherfucking DUH!

These are all GOVERNMENT fuck ups. You cannot simply deregulate a market that you have suppressed for so long without taking proper countermeasures against potential problems during the transition.

"If financial repression is avoided, there will be no call for financial liberalization. In this way, the risk of a financial calamity is reduced. Of course, financially deregulated systems may also undergo crises but for reasons other than deregulation.

The lesson is straightforward: stay away from financial repression."

[anon50325502]

@polo77j

Bruh … you expect him to a.) read a study and b.) actually understand said study? He reads misleading headlines and posts them as if they say what he thinks they do…

Wait … you know this … carry on…

Lol, ya… I was enjoying my beach vacation bought and paid for by evil capitalism and I made the mistake of reading through this cluster fuck of a thread some more.

[polo77j]

@anon50325502

I was enjoying my beach vacation bought and paid for by evil capitalism and I made the mistake of reading through this cluster fuck of a thread some more.

Ocean City? Been there - dirty af

Bethany Beach, DE … super nice … would recommend

[anon50325502]

Nah, Top Sail, NC. Right outside of Camp Lejeune actually. I lost count of the number of helicopters we saw. It was pretty neat.

[Zeppelin795]

@anon50325502

I did not study in the US nor any part of the West.

And you think indoctrination only occurs in the U.S.?

[Zeppelin795]

@anon50325502

Even the libertarian think tank(Mercatus) had to admit it would save money.

From the author: Medicare for All opponents what he actually concluded. Blahous, a conservative/libertarian economist, tells us that Medicare for All will not increase our spending and yet will include everyone and provide them with a much more generous program.

Huh?

What is so hard to understand?

What you posted talks about an increase in Fed. spending. But what would be the cost if nothing changes in healthcare? More or less?

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

And you think indoctrination only occurs in the U.S.?

You stupid, ignorant fool.

Indoctrination here is AGAINST THE EVIL CAPITALIST WESTERNERS, ESPECIALLY THE US.

[Zeppelin795]

@Aragorn

Not among intelligent people in serious conversation it doesn’t

Yes it does.

@Aragorn

Social democracy and democratic socialism are NOT the same thing or even in the same ballpark. Hell, they’re not even playing the same sport.

They have similar traits.

[Zeppelin795]

Do the rich and poor have equal rights? Not in an oligarchy and that is what we have.

[pfury]

@Zeppelin795

What you posted talks about an increase in Fed. spending. But what would be the cost if nothing changes in healthcare? More or less?

To those of us that pay the taxes you use to eat? It would cost more.

To those like you that use the taxes we pay more than pay in? It would cost less.

Edit: shit man even the article YOU POSTED said it would cost more

[Zeppelin795]

In the early ’70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.

So this statement was taken some 40 years ago. Is nationalizing the banks and public utilities a take over of ALL industry? Are there any nationalized or state-owned banks in business today and what are the results?

So Sanders sympathized with the Sandinistas. I noticed a glaring omission about how Reagan went behind Congress and broke the law to fund the Contras.

For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects. Price tag: $18 trillion.

I notice that the cost question is rarely if ever asked about the wars.

Getting the drug companies out of the “healthcare” system is a good thing. As they will no longer be able to keep more effective treatments(stem cells) from coming to the market. They will no longer be able to prolong the suffering of the public so they can make more money.

So how do you think he has become the most popular politician? The population have seen and have felt how things have gone in recent decades and are no longer buying the bullshit that has been sold to them by both corporate parties. Their greed has come home to roost. Thank God as this country is not just for them.

[Zeppelin795]

@dt79

Oh wow. Bernie knows the exact definition of socialism and his sheep don’t.

Do you?

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

Do you?

Probably as much as Bernie.

The difference is that I’m not the one fooling you.

[Zeppelin795]

So does Socialism advocate for the government ownership of the means of production? Are Co-Ops communism?

[dt79]

Do you know how to read? All the answers are in that post.

[Zeppelin795]

@dt79

These are all GOVERNMENT fuck ups.

With the monumental help of the “free-market”.

@dt79

This is why you refused to post the link to the original document despite me asking you twice.

No. I was unsure of where to find it.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

With the monumental help of the “free-market”.

What in the fuck is wrong with you?

You posted this source and defended it to support your argument. Now that you realize it doesn’t, you try to debunk it.

[SkyzykS]

@Zeppelin795

Do you?

You might think that you are controlling or directing the conversation by asking questions, but guided discovery only works when the asker/guide isn’t an absolute moron.