New Business Failures

[Basement_Gainz]

@Zeppelin795

So when did Bernie advocate for the means of production to be owned by the workers?

When he joined the socialist party and ran as a socialist for 40+ years.

Try to keep up.

[Aragorn]

@dt79

The Death Of Expertise

I’ve posted this several times over the past few years.

Enjoy.

[SkyzykS]

@dt79

If they can screw up things as basic as these, how do you trust anything they say, especially their financial projections that can potentially go into TENS OF TRILLIONS of dollars when trying to apply policies from a country like Denmark which has a population of under 5 MILLION vs the US which has >300 MILLION?

You can’t talk scales of such magnitude to someone that is only thinking of themself.

[Zeppelin795]

@dt79

Were these countries Socialists?

You go do this first. I’m not continuing this exchange before that:

No. They were/are Authoritarian.

@dt79

Go look up the definition of “socialism”

Definition of SOCIALISM

@dt79

Go and fucking read the Nordic model report you posted IN IT’S ENTIRETY.

Don’t waste my time if you haven’t done that. You would have answered your own bloody questions if you did.

Already did. Does this mean you believe that end results don’t count all that much?

[Zeppelin795]

@dt79

. I studied Russian history for 2 years.

So you were only indoctrinated for 2 years? History is written by the victors.

In the 1980s, the United States under President Ronald Reagan isolated the Soviet economy from the rest of the world and helped drive oil prices to their lowest levels in decades. When the Soviet Union’s oil and gas revenue dropped dramatically,

Soviet Union - Countries, Cold War & Collapse | HISTORY

[Zeppelin795]

Again, who has advocated that the means of production be owned by those who work in said place?

You don’t tell people you are advocating for an entire SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT if you don’t understand what it means.

Plenty of people use the term socialism interchangeably with democratic socialism or social democracy. Happens ALL THE TIME. You aren’t aware of this?

@dt79

You can liquidate the assets of EVERY SINGLE ULTRA WEALTHY PERSON in the US to cover for any fuck ups of this magnitude and you’ll still be fucked.

Which nation in history has paid it’s debts?

@dt79

country like Denmark which has a population of under 5 MILLION vs the US which has >300 MILLION

So economies of scale, can’t be done by the U.S.?

[Zeppelin795]

Worrying About the Deficit Is So 17th Century | naked capitalism

Debts of society are much different than personal.

With wages decoupled from productivity, which began in the 70’s, how did people keep going? Credit.

@polo77j

I’d love over half my income directly taken by the Gov and then I have to borrow 2x what I earn to fund my life

What do you’d think you’d get in return?

[Zeppelin795]

Just putting forth the notion of public insistence as a prime mover and the capitalists as exploitative.

[Zeppelin795]

Please find and post those statements he has made saying such.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

No. They were/are Authoritarian.

You didn’t do your homework.

Don’t waste my time.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

So you were only indoctrinated for 2 years? History is written by the victors.

I did not study in the US nor any part of the West.

[Zeppelin795]

From the article.

It means that we enjoy equal rights versus the government, and in relation to each other. Having equal rights does not mean having equal talents, equal abilities, or equal knowledge.

So does having more money mean you have more rights? It seems so.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy

Welcome to the oligarchy.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

Just putting forth the notion of public insistence as a prime mover and the capitalists as exploitative.

Some capitalists are exploitative, insightful. In other news, water is wet.

[Zeppelin795]

Try the single-payer proposition for scales of magnitude.

Even the libertarian think tank(Mercatus) had to admit it would save money.

From the author: Medicare for All opponents what he actually concluded. Blahous, a conservative/libertarian economist, tells us that Medicare for All will not increase our spending and yet will include everyone and provide them with a much more generous program.

[anon50325502]

@dt79

@Zeppelin795

So you were only indoctrinated for 2 years? History is written by the victors.

I did not study in the US nor any part of the West.

Please

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

Try the single-payer proposition for scales of magnitude.

Even the libertarian think tank(Mercatus) had to admit it would save money.

From the author: Medicare for All opponents what he actually concluded. Blahous, a conservative/libertarian economist, tells us that Medicare for All will not increase our spending and yet will include everyone and provide them with a much more generous program.

Huh?

The Costs of a National Single-Payer Healthcare System

Medicare for All: A Non-Solution to a Non-Problem

[Aragorn]

@Zeppelin795

Plenty of people use the term socialism interchangeably with democratic socialism or social democracy. Happens ALL THE TIME.

Not among intelligent people in serious conversation it doesn’t. Social democracy and democratic socialism are NOT the same thing or even in the same ballpark. Hell, they’re not even playing the same sport.

[Aragorn]

@Zeppelin795

From the article.

It means that we enjoy equal rights versus the government, and in relation to each other. Having equal rights does not mean having equal talents, equal abilities, or equal knowledge.

So does having more money mean you have more rights? It seems so.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I posted. Don’t be a dumbass.

[Basement_Gainz]

@Zeppelin795

Please find and post those statements he has made saying such.

5 minutes on Google. Sanders hangs a portrait of Debs in his office… a bolshevik traitor. To the labor camps with you comrade!

“In the early ’70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.”

Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist

[dt79]

“In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a “heroic revolution.””

Oh wow. Bernie knows the exact definition of socialism and his sheep don’t.