New Business Failures

That’s the thing though. Way before break even points and X enrollees required to be sustainable, and the many other considerations, once it was branded as “free” there was no explaining otherwise.

Me “Its not free. Those tax dollars come out of our paychecks on top of the fact that we split cost with our employer.”.

Them " Nuh uhh. The governing pays for it.".

Me “no. There is a tax that is going to be taken…”

Them “nuh uhh. Obamacare is free. If it ain’t, I’ll just get a job that pays less. Then it’ll be free.”.

Me " That’s just idiocy. But hey, knock yourself out!".

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I think most are just in denial because Bernie and cronies use the pseudo-moral rhetoric on them.

“Closing is always emotional” - Used car salesmen.

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One guy told me I was just mad because there was an “n” word in the White House.

He wasn’t being facetious or using identity politics.That’s just the word he uses as a general term for African Americans.

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Its just like car insurance!

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One of my uncles in WV was one of those glorious souls who didn’t know Obamacare and ACA are the same thing.

Goddamn does he rage every year when his premiums hike

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Oh my. You should have some fun with him.

Convince him that Trump tried to fix Obamacare with the ACA and That’s why he keeps having to pay more!

That how they gitcha!

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par for the course my man

Yes, of course I’m wrong while everyone pays far less per capita and the countries spend less as a percentage of their GDP, but they still pay more. So idiot get ready because it’s coming in our lifetime.

They pay more overall. Which is an overall increase. Which means more money needs to be spent. Very simple math.

Lol idiot. Not only do I support UHC, but I’m not a disabled society dragging shill like yourself.

This is also why you only hurt the causes you preach about. You’re just so damn stupid.

An in depth analysis.

https://economics.mit.edu/files/5726

But it can’t be true as the Nordic countries have more government “interference” and we know that is bad.

This is either more true or more false. Not both.

Is this report weak? Or is it your video that looks like something from Crowder?

The Nordic model includes many things. Your implication is for healthcare only. Very disingenuous and moronic.

JFC - did you even read this? From the conclusion:

“People have to work more – start their working careers earlier,
work more hours on average, and retire later. The Nordic countries
are not doomed to stagnation, financial deficits or rising tax
rates. The Nordic model can be defended and upheld – but only
through reforming its institutions and policies while reiterating its
commitment to a proper balance between the entitlements and
responsibilities of its citizens.”

Not to mention it’s 11 years old -

I’ve been perusing tradingeconomics.com and I gotta tell ya, their employment participation rates are low and their private debt is high - people are borrowing an unsustainable rates to fund their private lives while the government is taxing their income at above 50% levels across the Nordic countries.

Their utopia isn’t something to model a country as big as our and as diverse as our after. Yes, when trying to convince someone that the Noridc model will work it, this study is weak as shit.

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At the behest of those who own the media and of those who will lose money and power.

Paying 60%, not marginal, is less regressive?

The Scandinavian economic forecast.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nordics-economy-poll/scandinavian-economic-growth-forecasts-raised-again-reuters-poll-idUSKBN1CH0LR

Who is defending the ACA? Is it the same as single-payer?

Is this the structure of the Nordic model?

Fucking hell yeah!

Did you even read it or understand it?

Right on the contents page there is a section devoted to “proposed privatization of certain segments of the public sector”.

The introduction brings up globalization leading to job relocation. Evil!

Their economy is more capitalist than the US according to economic freedom ratings.

Limited State intervention in the market:

"While the Nordic success story could be partly explained by
factors belonging to the first and notably the second category,
we would for the purpose of this report like to focus on the final
category, i.e. growth-enhancing economic policies. For more than
a century the Nordics have been free-trading nations with a low
level of protection in commodity trade (excluding agricultural
products), leading to continuous structural change and a high
degree of specialization in areas of comparative advantage. The
Nordics have even longer been relatively open to migration, not
least immigration of specialists and entrepreneurs with specific
technical or commercial skills. A more recent development is that
free enterprise on the whole prevails and that state intervention
in the business sector is limited. "

Talent leaving the country is brought up:

“With higher mobility of labour it becomes increasingly possible
to benefit from the entitlements without sharing the cost (paying
the taxes). There are many examples. Graduates from domestic taxfinanced
universities increasingly make their careers (and pay their
taxes) abroad. Citizens who have spent most of their working lives
(and paid their taxes) abroad, return to their home country after
retirement to collect the benefits of free (or cheap) hospital care
and care for the elderly. Unemployment rates and the frequency of
disability pensions tend to be higher for certain immigrant groups
than for domestic citizens. With increasing claims on entitlements
due to “social tourism” and eroding tax bases due to factor mobility
and tax competition between nations, the long-run sustainability
of the Nordic model could be in serious jeopardy

Problem they are now facing with increasing immigration(The US has had a fucking big problem with this for decades):

“Unemployment rates and the frequency of
disability pensions tend to be higher for certain immigrant groups
than for domestic citizens.”

Sustainability in the long run:

“In the absence of corrective measures
Finland’s general government budget surplus will – according to
calculations made in the Ministry of Finance – turn into a growing
deficit (and public debt could amount to 120 per cent of GDP
by 2050).”

"The projection (which is no forecast) brings home the
message that public finances are unsustainable in the long run
when assessed in the light of current spending programmes and tax
rates. "

On higher taxes:

“Higher tax wedges would
lead to further substitution away from taxed activities (like work
in the regular sector) to untaxed activities (like leisure, household
production and work in the “informal” sector). They can also
have detrimental effects on entrepreneurship, saving and capital
accumulation(OMG Marx just rolled in his grave!) – and thereby on economic growth.”

This is just from the first few pages, comrade. I may read the rest later.

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Then keep the for profit system, that gouges the public with it’s inefficient admin. costs and helps to keep more effective treatments from coming to the market. All designed for more money coming at the expense of the public. Sounds great!

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More like they are purposely being confused by the status quo who would in turn lose money and power with a government run by and for the people.

One could always go the way of the Co-Op as a means to cut out the majority of the government and put the means of production in the hands of the people.

Obama was merely a representative of the financial wing of the democratic party. A total establishment phony.

Maybe that partly explains why they voted Trump.

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