I have been lingering in that background for awhile. Wanted to get some feedback on a cycle I’m planning. First off information about my I’m 5’ 8 190lbs 14-15 percent B/F extreme Ecto. I have done 6 cycles and tried just about everything compound wise except deca and HGH. So time to try both. I do prefer to stay low on my dosages, but I do get quality gear. Here is my break down let me know what you think.
1-16 Test E 375
1-16 Deca 250mg
1-4 DBol 25mg preworkout
8-16 Tren E 250 mg
Hgh 2 iu week 1-6 M-F
Hgh 3 iu week 7-16 M-F
Aromasin EOD
P5P ED but have caber just in case
Organ Support
Goal would be 15lbs retained after water weight drops.
Drop the tren. No need for it. Would prob increase the GH to 4iu daily if it were me for the duration.
I typically run 2iu daily when cutting and 4-6iu daily when growing.
Based on your past experience you’ll have to figure out the AI for yourself.
So you skipped the picture part, which is the only thing that matters if we are talking about building muscle. People look different at different heights and bodyfats, so those numbers mean nothing.
And then there is a list of classic muscle building steroids and some dosages. If we are taking UGL steroids, dosages dont really matter as we dont know what they actually are.
So at the end we know you will take some test, deca, tren, and GH. Those are classic drugs, they have been around for decades, there is nothing that hasnt already be said about those.
You will be bulking, so individual cosmetic effects of some drugs wont matter. Which basically means, you could have just said “around 1g of anabolics and low dose of GH”. Which is reasonable and basic, and there isnt much to talk about.
It doesnt matter if you take 250 deca and 250tren, or 500 deca. Or just 1g of test total. The difference for a bulk is unnoticeable esp at these doses.
Steroids build muscle. Some mechanics differ but a regular user on a bulk will never see the difference.
So what you need to bulk is - 1)training with some sort of progressive overload… 2)total dosage of anabolics(doesnt matter which ones) that support the growth at your level(we dont know the level cuz there is no pics). 3)And total caloric intake that lets you gain at least 1 pound a week.
This is ridiculous unless you are very undertrained(again, no picture, cant tell).
It means you would have to gain at least 30lbs in 16 weeks. Take into consideration your total cycle is 16 weeks, and it will take at least 4 weeks for test to fully kick ass, and some 5-6 weeks for deca. Which leaves you with only 10 weaks of full potential of growth. 15lbs of LEAN tissue in 10 weeks is not doable, unless you currently look like you have never trained(for the fourth time, thats why the picture is the only thing that matters).
I’m also am on TRT. As far as diet. I normally eat between 2200-2700 for maintenance. So in order for me to bulk I have to go into full blown cram mode. It’s not uncommon for me to eat 4500 calories during a bulk on certain days. Normally do one shake mixed with oats. Everything is solid food. 15lbs is just a goal, I always set my goals high. I don’t have a huge frame, just want to be bigger when I cut down. Open to suggestions on cycle.
You look very good. I wouldnt bother with such low doses on many drugs. Id start with higher test. For you, 1g is very good dose. You can run it for 8-10 weeks and then add tren e at 500 and run it for 10 more.
GH is a waste for a bulk. 1-2ius are good for fatloss or health, but does nothing for bulk so unless you are deficient(need bloodwork) its a waste imo.
A competitive amateur can mean a lot of things. I was a competitive amateur powerlifter while taking no gear. I was also a competitive amateur powerlifter while taking TRT doses, then while taking 325 mg/wk test. I wasn’t winning anything though.
Are these competitors fairly close to professional? How do they compare? 20" arms at 5% body fat?
They have won all levels except overall at a national for a pro card. They have placed as high as 3rd.
They have used 500 and a bit more, have gone over 2 g total but, that is for a prep. If you are using 500 for 10 weeks in the off season where are you going to go from there?
These tren doses are a product of TikTok.
This dudes physique is attainable naturally and is going to jump on tren?
People have different goals, some compete some don’t. Personally, I have kinda lost interest in trying a bunch of different things or running grams of gear. For me, at least, a physique I like is possible with just TRT doses. If I want a bit faster progress, bumping up just Testosterone for a few months is what makes sense for me (and not doing anything too crazy haha, ~500 mg/wk).
I think a lot of people are just too greedy with AAS. They want to be freaky, and they take a lot to do so. Maybe genetics are sub par. When I say that I mean sub par for being a great BBer, powerlifter, or strongman. The guys I know who have used a lot, were significantly better than average before starting gear. I’ve seen lots of gear take guys with pretty good genetics to freak level (for the general public). If you are below average for genetics compared to the general public, I don’t think gear will help you much.
Maybe? We don’t know what his genetics are like from a picture.
I agree that for most, it doesn’t make sense to be using tren.
