Need Some High-School Dating Tips

The fact you think acquiring friendship with a human being is a waste of time unless they can provide you with something is one of the fundamental issues here.

Dude, I’m a misanthrope, and even I don’t view humans the way you do here. You’re not looking at these people like fellow autonomous humans, with their own goals, hopes, ambitions, etc etc. You’re looking at them like objects to acquire and manipulate.

In turn, this is why you’re unable to generate meaningful conversation with them: you’re not approaching them like you would someone you want companionship with. You keep trying to use the right series of words and phrases to unlock some sort of videogame achievement and level up, and they either see right through it OR they think you’re socially/developmentally stunted.

All you are trying to do here is have a conversation with someone from your species. Figure out how you, as a human, share kinship with this fellow human.

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Between this and “none of these girls [I dont know] are unique” you might want to re-evaluate the way you’re thinking of women, and other people in general if you’re trying to build a healthy Christian relationship with someone

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Came here to say this, but it’s already been said.

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first off, every girl your age has single friends. so if none are interested in you, that would be a you problem.

Try this:

List as many qualities as you can (post them here in this thread) that make you dateable, as you see it. What makes you attractive to women? What are the qualities about you that would make a girl accept a date from you? And how are you demonstrating those qualities to a woman when you converse with them? How do they know you have those desirable qualities?

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I said something similar a month ago … this kid is socially clueless

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I dont treat humans like objects. I don’t go around looking for friends. They happen naturally.

I’m happy with the friends I have. If I get new ones naturally cool.

Yk what i’m just gonna shut up

I have no experience in this anyway

You seem avers to trying out our suggestions … you make friends with girls you’ll understand girls better … it’s not rocket science and that’s been the suggestion … stop with the pity party

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What I meant was I’m gonna shut up and listen

Following this, is (only (would this be the difference)) befriending people who have better work ethic/x, y,z than you in hopes of learning/gaining something from them wrong?

I am not one for ethical theory. To declare that right or wrong is outside my scope.

Passion for lifting
I want to go to college to study construction management
I’m Silly, cool, calm, collected
I’m tall lol
I look muscular with the showy muscles

Idk what girls find attractive

You have friends? Have you asked them? Also, do they not hang out with girls? Can you hang out with girls with them?

It is good that you went through this exercise after @flipcollar’s post. Truly. Now we can start to help you a bit more.

That’s good - many of us here are too. But do realize that this (in and of itself) is of limited interest to most people. My wife enjoys lifting weights with me, but when we met, that had literally nothing to do with why we started dating other than the fact that we were both in good enough shape to be attractive to the other.

Again, that’s good - being motivated to get a good education and set yourself up with a good career is definitely a positive thing. It’s also not really something that people your age are likely to consider in dating decisions at this time. (Hold this thought for a minute)

Silly, yes. I don’t think this thread demonstrates anything about how “cool, calm, and collected” you are. The good news is you can work on becoming more of those things with introspection, mindfulness, thinking about how you carry yourself and react to things.

Net positives in general, but others will tell you (correctly) that physical attraction is highly personal from one to the next, and probably matters less than you think in your desire to obtain a romantic and/or sexual partner.

Look, the truth is that relationships at your age are mostly a crapshoot. Nobody knows what the hell they want yet, nobody is terribly mature, everybody wants to seem more confident than they are. At the very least, you should really disabuse yourself of the notion that you are attractive and desirable merely by existing, and appreciate from this thread:

Try just meeting and talking to people for awhile. Get a hobby or two. Join some social groups. When you go to college, join a club, or a team, some activity that you might even enjoy and, as a side benefit, meet other people.

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this is very telling, isn’t it? How are you going to demonstrate attractive qualities, if you don’t even know what they are? How can you show a girl you’re dateable, if you don’t even know what it means to be dateable? You said earlier that this isn’t a ‘you’ problem. But there’s no way you would actually know that without knowing what women want in the first place.

It’s important to note that there aren’t really any universals, per se, but there are qualities that are GENERALLY well received. Being funny, for instance, is something most women appreciate and look for. Do some googling for like top 5 lists of what women generally want in a dude to get at least a reasonable idea of what qualities a lot of women look for. It does change with age, so make sure you’re searching more or less in your age bracket.

So that being said, it’s also important to note that when you’re talking to a girl, you need to make sure you’re demonstrating qualities SHE appreciates. Not all women like guys that are gym rats. And honestly, most girls don’t like guys who talk about the gym a lot. So if you think that’s a strong quality for you, it may or may not be to her. If you know she likes talking about gym-stuff, lean on that. If you come to realize she doesn’t, avoid it.

Now to your list, specifically.

Passion for lifting: that’s great that you’re passionate about lifting, but how does that translate into a dateable quality? Do you really think a girl is gonna go for you because she finds out you have a passion for lifting heavy things and putting them down repeatedly? Most of the time, that answer will be no. A girl will more likely be attracted to the RESULTS of that passion, meaning the physique you develop.

‘want to go to college for construction management’ - there is nothing specifically about this that would be appealing to a girl who’s looking to date. The desirable quality would be: you’re smart enough to go to college, you’re goal oriented, focused, ambitious, etc. THOSE are qualities. Your statement is simply a thing you want to do in a year or 2. That’s not a quality. So, the things I listed would be demonstrable qualities. Simply being a person who has the intention to study a particular subject in school will get you absolutely nowhere. BUT maybe the underlying drives that have led you to want this could be appealing to someone.

‘Silly, cool, calm, collected’ - ok first of all… can you actually imagine a girl saying ‘you know what quality I find really attractive in a man? Silliness! I just want a dude who’s silly as fuck and makes memes that make me chuckle sometimes. That’s my dream!’ Nah dude. An attractive high school girl will never have an interest in that. In fact, it will be a huge turn off,in most cases. Silliness can be fine, even endearing, in the context of an actual relationship. Like if you’re silly with her behind closed doors. But simply being a goof ball will actually detract from the previous qualities I mentioned, the notions of being driven, motivated, smart, etc. If you’re all those things, but you project silliness, all those other positive qualities will likely go unobserved.

The cool calm and collected bit is simply useless. I have nowhere to go with that one, sorry.

Tall is good! Appearances do matter, and height especially. So, good on you. Do you dress well? Make sure you cater the rest of your appearance to coming across as tall. Don’t slouch, have good posture. Don’t wear baggy clothes. Good hygiene is hugely important, since we’re on the subject of superficial stuff. Nice haircut, all that.

With all due respect, I doubt that, given the stats you’ve shared previously, that your current muscularity will get you anywhere. Maybe in a few years. But don’t be the skinny guy who wears too-tight t shirts and shit. dress appropriately for your physique, as I already mentioned. If you have muscles, they will be noticed. If not, no big deal.

There’s a lot for you to read through there, and I don’t really have time to type up more. But maybe that can be a jump-off point for you to ask some more questions and get more feedback for self-improvement and better self awareness.

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In the lists it says. Mental and physically strong, honest, caring, understanding, compassion.

:man_shrugging:t5:Uh i’m pretty smart in the National honor society. I’m pretty strong. Those others idk. I am close with a female cousin tho. She said how am I still single, i’m considerate and sweet.

your female cousin is a) your family, so more likely to say nice things to you, and b) close to you. The girls you’ve tried to date, according to what you’ve said, are not close to you. So they don’t know that you’re considerate or sweet. Again, it’s all about demonstration of value, which occurs in conversation, not something a girl will be able to glean from your first approach.

I assume you have some sort of reputation at your school. What sort of clique do you think you fit into? What are your friends like? Do you hang out with athletes, bookworms, are you a loner, etc? If a girl knows who you are before you approach them for a date, but they don’t really know you on a personal level, then all they can base their opinion of you on is your reputation and your appearance. You haven’t suggested that you’re hideous, so I’m thinking maybe your reputation isn’t stellar. Just something to consider. You will be judged based on the company you keep throughout your entire life.