Need Input Analyzing 1st Test Dbol Cycle

Pharma / TRT
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I would like some experienced members to take a look at my cycle plan and give me some feed back. I have been researching for awhile now but I still have a lot to learn and any responses would help. This is my first injectable cycle.
1st off stats:
5 feet 9 inches 180 LBS. Around 12% body fat. Training 10 years off and on with the last 3 on a regular basis. Age: 30

Week 1-10: Test e 400 mg. 2 200 mg pins a week Monday and Thursday. Tapering weeks 9 and 10 200mg then 100mg.

weeks 1-4: dbol 30mg

weeks 1-12: HCG 250 IU’s on jab days for a total of 500 IU’s a week

weeks 1-12: Adex .25 eod

PCT starting week 13:
week 1: clomid 100mg, Nova 40mg
week 2: clomid 100mg, Nova 40mg
week 3: clomid 50mg, Nova 20mg
week 4: clomid 50mg, Nova 20mg

Some question areas I have in addition to any cycle feed back is how long to run ADEX for? I have saw it included in some pct plans before, but I was just planning on running it weeks 1-12.
Does the pct dosages seem adequate, or possibly too much? I don’t want to put more drugs into my body than necessary
HCG until 1 week before pct sound about right?

Lastly pinning. Right now I have 20G 1.5 needles for drawing, 25G 1 inch for jabbing, and insulin pins .5 inch for hcg and maybe pinning. My plan was to use the 25G 1 inch for glutes and the slin pins for quad and delts. I know some people that only use the slin pins for quads and delts. I am sure some will say you need a longer needle to get into the muscle and a bigger gauge to inject properly but apparently the stuff I have is not very viscous for an oil base and pins pretty easily.

I think the 1 inch should be enough for my glutes since my body fat is pretty low. Thoughts on this? DO you guys always aspirate even when using the correct injection sites? Thinking it might be kind of hard to do this until I get the hang of it, this will be the first time I have ever gave myself a shot.
Thanks for the input in advance

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What’s the thought behind tapering test at week 9 and 10? I would do 12 weeks of Test @ 500mg per week. Arimidex 0.25 EOD will be fine. Can run it 0.25 ED while on dbol to keep bloat down. As for PCT just Nolva at 40/40/20/20 should do the trick.

Start PCT 2 weeks after last injection an stop Adex 1 week after last injection. 1 inch pin perfect for glutes, self injection you might find quads easier. Aspirate every jab. You’ll be nervous as hell on your first jab but will be piece of cake after that. Good luck

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What’s the thought behind tapering test at week 9 and 10? I would do 12 weeks of Test @ 500mg per week. Arimidex 0.25 EOD will be fine. Can run it 0.25 ED while on dbol to keep bloat down. As for PCT just Nolva at 40/40/20/20 should do the trick.

Start PCT 2 weeks after last injection an stop Adex 1 week after last injection. 1 inch pin perfect for glutes, self injection you might find quads easier. Aspirate every jab. You’ll be nervous as hell on your first jab but will be piece of cake after that. Good luck

Thanks Rxx! Was just thinking it would be a little easier transition with the tapering, the last 100 mg being close to normal test levels (using HCG so hoping not to be shut down), but probably not necessary with test e. I will consider running levels higher and 2 weeks longer as long as I am feeling good and no sides. Really I don’t know how I will respond so I am trying to play it careful with the 1st one and not mess myself up. I have saw a bunch of newbie dumbasses on some threads mess themselves up pretty bad by running to many compounds or levels to high without knowing how their bodies will react to them. I am trying not to be one of them. Would it be alright to start around 350-400 mg’s a week and after a couple weeks if I am feeling great and not getting sides bump it up to the 500 range? Have you ever tried the slin pins for delt injections? Yeah I am super pumped to start here within the next week. Thanks again man for the response

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Looks fine as is, the taper works but that’s not a long enough taper so I wouldn’t bother with it.

Slin pins are great

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I’d do 500mg every week from week 1. 12 weeks on the PCT you’ll recover fine.

Good luck

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Update. I would like to thank Rxx and Buds for the responses to my questions. I started Monday and everything is going well. Have a couple trivial questions I would like some input on as well.

This is what I went with.
Week 1-10: Test e 400 mg. 2 200 mg pins a week Monday and Thursday. Going to see how I feel around week 4 and maybe bump the dosage up to 500 if I have no sides. Also will run it 2 more weeks for a total of 12 as long as everything is going well.

weeks 1-4: dbol 30mg / Taking milk thistle for liver support

weeks 1-12: HCG 250 IU’s on jab days for a total of 500 IU’s a week

weeks 1-12: Adex .25 eod

PCT starting week 13:
week 1: clomid 100mg, Nova 40mg
week 2: clomid 100mg, Nova 40mg
week 3: clomid 50mg, Nova 20mg
week 4: clomid 50mg, Nova 20mg
Here is some info about how everything is going and my training

I had my first pin Monday in the right quad. I will admit I have never been fond of needles but it really wasn’t that bad. I used a 1 inch 25 gauge needle. My quad was sore as shit the next 3 days but I have heard that is pretty common for the first couple times pinning a site, just got to soldier up and deal with it. I pin the hcg right after sub q and those are nothing.

Thursday I pinned the other quad and same deal sore as shit but oh well. Think I will play twister with myself and do my glutes next week again using the 25 gauge 1 inch. I would like to try delts but I am waiting on some different slin pins. The ones I have are only .5 cc’s which would require 3 jabs a week instead of 2 since I am running a little over 3/4 a cc 2 jabs a week for 400.

Stuff I have is 250 mg/cc. Not that the extra jab is a huge deal but I can wait a week for the pins to get here. I did have 1 fuck up Thursday pinning though. I pinned the test first right after I showered, I cleaned the injection site, and had a good pin. It was only when I started to wipe the hcg vial down with alcohol that it came to me that I never wiped the test vial down before drawing.

A rookie mistake for sure, probably not that big of a deal but I like to be as sterile as possible.

I really noticed the dbol kicking in already in my workout Thursday. My only previous cycle was a 6 week dbol only cycle so I know what to expect from it ( I know I know try not to blast me to hard). Honestly though I had good results from it putting on 15 lbs and keeping 10 of it. Speaking of which I have already put on 5 lbs with 4 lbs of that probably being water retention from dbol and creatine.

I am doing a 4 day split with one day off then resuming. 1. chest 2. back 3. shoulders and legs 4. triceps, biceps, and forearms 5. off 1. resume .I have an A and B workout for each muscle group as well that I will be alternating between to keep some muscle confusion going.

Now that I have bored everyone to death with my 1 week update I have a couple questions if anyone is still awake lol.

  1. Glute pinning. I usually watch some videos of each site before I pin just to verify the correct spots and I know the glute spot is the upper right quadrant of the right glute. My question is that even though I am low in body fat the side of my glute seems kind of fatty. Do you guys flex the muscle a little before pinning to make sure it gets im. I was thinking flexing draws the cheek in which would change the pinning site closer to the sciatic nerve and I sure as shit don’t want to come close to that. I am probably over analyzing this and would be fine with doing the more squishy outer part without flexing just wondering if anyone has some input on this.

  2. Is it ok to be running creatine and dbol at the same time. Water retention seems to be quite high already 5 lbs in 5 days. I was thinking about upping the adex to .25 every day instead of every other while running dbol to help with water retention. Some people say adex makes them feel goofy but I havn’t noticed anything yet.

  3. Training. My current plan has me working out pretty much 6 days a week. I work out about 1 -1.5 hours a session using the program I posted above. Do you think that is too much training and not enough rest? Or maybe not enough, I could for instance put biceps with back and triceps with chest making for a 3 day split which would allow me to get a lot more volume in as far as training. I know I have to listen to my body, but right now with the dbol kicking in I feel like I could lift all day.

  4. This is me being paranoid. As I stated above I am pretty good about being sterile but I would like to be prepared incase something does go wrong. What do I need to be watching for as far as infection, or abscess from pinning and what do I do about it if I am unlucky enough to get one? Have some of you experienced guys ever had to deal with these, how common are they?

Thanks for any input

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Are you jabbing with the same needle your drawing out of the vial with? I personally use a fresh needle to jab with so that it’s still perfectly sharp and causes as little trauma to the muscle as possible. This should help your post injection pain. (You can see in the pic that the needle isn’t as sharp after 1 jab, so if your pushing it through the bung in the vial it will be affecting the sharpness of the needle)

0.25 Adex ED while on Dbol will keep bloat to a minimum.

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Yeah I do switch needles. Going to try shooting a little slower and warming the liquid up before drawing next time. I think my muscles just need to get used to it though. I will bump the adex up to ed to try dry out a bit.