I have Deca 300mg/10ml.
What is the best way to use it?
Currently looking to run it alone since I can’t find any Test in Australia.
Read that early bodybuilders used Deca alone with no side effects.
Read some more. You are wrong. Best way to use it is to get yourself some test and mast to run along side it. Even if you had all three its not a good first cycle. First cycles usually involve test only and/or test with a mild secondary compound.
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Yeah, it’s often said that Mike Mentzer used mainly Deca, but even those stories had him using dbol. Of couse he claimed only using 400mg/deca a week and 10mg dbol/day, it likely was closer to 2000mg Deca/per week and 100mg dbol/day according to people that knew him. Some also say he was using close to 5g total per week of various steroids. That’s all speculation though, what’s a fact is he died at 49, I don’t think following his path is a great idea.
Please provide the articles or where you “Read” this from. You could try the deca only cycle and report your results back.
Started deca 300mg for 10 weeks today. Waiting on test but finding it hard to find a source here in australia. Anyone know of any australians where i can buy it legit?
What is best cycle wirh deca since i started already and was planning on getting test.
Would test e 250mgx2 injections per week for 8 weeks and 10 weeks of deca at 300mg be good?
I have ran sus250 500mg 8 weeks first cycle.
Second test e 500mg 10 weeks.
Wow dude really? Why did you even seek advice? Good luck with your libido and recovery.
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As well U can buy revolver and play russian roulette with your dick. M8 don’t be so stupid google “deca dick” first and read about consequences of doing solo decka cycle and some stories about people dealing with it.
@newbvet I think you should be at least warned by admin for giving such advices
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Op, you should stop with deca only and not take anymore if it. Running deca solo is really not a good idea. It could potentially take you over a year to get penis function back if you continue.
What the fuck are you talking about? First of all, this is a pharma forum. Anybody can advise anybody to run anything at a non-lethal dose without repercussions. Second, the OP already had deca, said he wanted to run it, and ignored everyone’s advice. Third, newb didn’t advise him to do it, he just said if he really wanted to know the results he’d have to find them out for himself.
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I apologize if I offended your sensitive feelings with my sarcasm. AND if Chris had thought for one instance I had done something seriously offensive, he would address it and I would apologize and fix it. Last but not least, if you found that offensive, maybe you should get your E2 checked, it might be elevated, unless you normally act like a SJW.
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Can u get hcg, nolva or clomid?
I’ve done deca only with min issues other than a stint of major depression on it and the fact that now I’m on trt
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I’ll play contrarian here and say that deca-only cycles have been run without incident many times before and I think they can work. But in almost all of them the issue becomes low e2 (since you have no natural test production and nandrolone’s conversion is much much lower than testosterone) which is why all the golden age guys ran dbol with it. Actually, they ran dbol because it’s awesome, I’m sure they had no idea what the fuck they were doing as far as the science. But by accident they stumbled on a way to use nandrolone without testosterone and it worked.
To be clear, I would never do this. I would never advise anyone to do this. It really is a gamble because you don’t actually have the same exact body as someone else who has done this successfully. But I’m not at all surprised that this kind of cycle is still around. Interested in the results as well.
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Generally its said to overcome the low e2 of deca only, one needs to run it at 500mg minimum so you get enough estrogen.
My experience, deca only probably lowered my sex drive but not my ability to perform. My biggest concern was that after a few weeks i became very lethargic. Adding some testosterone fixed this and only needed 150mg of T per week.
I think the deca dick thing can happen when you run deca and testosterone high together. The combination seems to do this but for me if i limit to deca to 250mg its not an issue. 250 test and 250 deca seems to be a good cycle for me. If i need a higher dose i either raise test and or add EQ or something similar but leave deca at 250mg.
Just a thought, but if on deca only and estrogen is too low, its possible that adding dhea could help increase estrogen some to help your physiology??
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Not so sure this is a great idea either. There are theories that long term deca dick is caused by DHN and not solely E2 especially when one gets it while running test. Deca creates DHN as a metabolite via 5-alpha reductase whereas Test creates DHT. Its theorized that this DHN displaces DHT and causes inactivation in androgenic tissues… parts of your penis. There are also the neurological aspects.
Its probably all individual. Deca only for me i had no deca dick but did have drop on sex drive but could perform no worries. I did develop alot of lethargy after a few weeks. I think higher doses of test and deca through whatever mechanism can increase prolactin and cause deca dick.
Minimum things ive needed to avoid deca dick is not to go above 250mg of deca per week. This dose is plenty to improve recovery and good for joint health. Then id keep test at 250mg and if theres a need up the test but keep deca where it is.
But we are also so individual. Keep some dostinex on hand. 1.25mg twice a week i find plenty👌
Interested to hear what others think of this subject??
Not true. Bro science.
Not broscience, personal experience and im just telling people this, not suggesting to follow my lead.
Really broscience is about all we have, as i dont see studies on bodybuilders and the type of dosages use. It can only be learnt through personal experience. I doubt you’d find a study proving me wrong or proving me right bro ,for that matter.
Your “experience” doesn’t even make sense in your posts above. First you state run at 500mg due to low aromatizing then state 250mg. In other posts you’ve suggested running low low low doses of all compounds to the point that also makes no sense. Your response to my factual and scientific suggestion is “it’s individual ” which while true seems like canned response to something you don’t understand. I’m done.
Guess I’m not done. More thoughts on this. To clarify, I’m being harsh because while you have not had issues, I have. Further, my ED issues manifested on a dose of 200mg per week. That’s why I hate canned responses like this. At least qualify them.
Also, I’m NOT saying I’m right and you’re wrong. As this is an open forum for all people to share experience. Hell if it weren’t for guys like @physioLojik we would still be over taking and suggesting AIs like Ksman used to do. Even the late great Dr Crisler admitted his protocols needed adjusting. So I apologize for being harsh I’m just passionate about this specific issue.
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What you dont understand is that im not advicing anyone, im just sharing my experience. If im getting result off 250T and 250 deca, somehow you know what my experience is because you didnt have much luck on deca.
Im not sure i even understand what you are talking about with low low low doses and suggesting 250 and then 500 mg else where. Personally i think its best to start low if a newbie and ive said a total of 500mg total is also fine for regular gym rate. That 500mg can be made up of 250mg of T and the other 250 with an anabolic like deca or EQ. This type of dosing schedule is similar to how Broderick Chavez works. He’d have more knowledge in his left nut then you will ever have.
Its guys like you that destroy forums like this. A person mentions a cycle of what they take etc and I put it out there for people to look at. Then someone like yourself feels threatened or something and bashes anything they type out about their personal experience because its different to theres.
You bring up AIs that Kasman use to advice, what does that have to do with anything here.
I think people need to see that sane doses can do the job and no need to blast huge doses if they are starting out or not competing. Guys like you that put peoples health at risk.
Thats enough of the school girl bickering for me.